I feel adding Mariner Cotton Cloth to the Moogle event was a poor decision

Mariner Cotton Cloth is one the most coveted drops from ARR Treasure maps, and soon it will be available for a mere 5 tomes for months

Treasure maps are currently one of the most precious and limited resources in the game, and I feel heavily diminishing the relative value of the rewards isn't a good decision to make for the game

I understand it is by far too late to reverse the decision, but I had to at least voice my concerns and say it sets a bad precedent

I hope to never see rare Treasure items like Mist Silk or Calf Leather available in future iterations of this event

What I've found with other rare rewards is that once the event ends, the people who want them after that have to do the original content for it instead and that demand remains.

(Possible unpopular opinion?)

I have horrible luck with treasure drops. Like, RNG doesn't know I exist in portals. So, I'm basically stuck with buying it off the MB or endlessly torturing myself with low rolls. So this is basically giving me an option that will allow me to actually get the cloth for once. I'm happy about it and I'm not really mad about them adding old content into Moogle events since odds are most newbies aren't going to take the time to farm old maps. Some will, I'm sure but from my perspective, you don't see a ton of people chilling in the old ARR beast tribe areas either. Hence why those mounts are there.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

(Possible unpopular opinion?)

I have horrible luck with treasure drops. Like, RNG doesn't know I exist in portals. So, I'm basically stuck with buying it off the MB or endlessly torturing myself with low rolls. So this is basically giving me an option that will allow me to actually get the cloth for once. I'm happy about it and I'm not really mad about them adding old content into Moogle events since odds are most newbies aren't going to take the time to farm old maps. Some will, I'm sure but from my perspective, you don't see a ton of people chilling in the old ARR beast tribe areas either. Hence why those mounts are there.

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Mariner Cotton Cloth drops from Boarskin maps and Unhidden Leather maps, which are both intended to be soloed.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Mariner Cotton Cloth drops from Boarskin maps and Unhidden Leather maps, which are both intended to be soloed.

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Doesn't change their drop rate though and I was speaking in a general perspective of maps. Also doesn't change the fact that it's old content and people who are coming in now might not even realize they exist. It's a solution for those who don't want to endlessly farm maps/dump gil into the MB for them & pray to RNG. In my opinion, it's a good solution and gives more people access to items they normally might not be able to get. It's not going to be around forever either.

Mariner cotton is unpleasantly expensive for a material where you need quite a few of them to fill out your crafting log at that level. It will be nice for them to be cheaper for a while.

Plus the sailor brais are a good all-purpose glamour piece so I think it's better for them to be in an accessible price range.

Im not fussed and gil isnt an issue..I want a few of these pieces for glam only, really. So the addition is a nice touch. Yes I do know what these will hit the markets, but I remind my esteemed colleagues that this i for a short term only, and the markets will, as they always have, adjust accordingly once the event ends. :)

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Mariner Cotton Cloth drops from Boarskin maps and Unhidden Leather maps, which are both intended to be soloed.

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Unhidden maps are a VERY rare drop and I can recall seeing maybe four in two years. On Kujata, boarskin maps go for 38000 gil.

Mariner cloth? 78000 gil,.

Each.

YIKES.

I think it's a good idea, either that, or these older drops should've been integrated into the newer maps. In fact, it's disgusting that they didn't incorporate these older map items into the Shared FATE system of ShB.

I get the prospect of it devaluing the rarity of it. But not many people will simply waste their time on Boarskin maps when they can just as easily do, or collect a singular Zonureskin map, do it, or sell it then buy the Mariner items. Why would I do boarskin maps when there are far more worthwhile and profitable things I can be doing with the upper maps to offset the costs of buying Mariner outright?

Just simply not worth doing them, especially when you can also just as equally get Moonfire gear in Palace, or on the Market for dirt cheap and then desynthesize for Mariner anyway if you wish to make Sailor.

...people do ARR treasure maps?

People do non-Zonureskin treasure maps?

If the Moogle Tome event was a permanent addition to the game you would have a point, but it's not. There will be players who will want that cloth long after the event ended. The diminishing value of the cloth is only for a short time.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

...people do ARR treasure maps?

People do non-Zonureskin treasure maps?

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I think Zonureskin maps are by far the worst party map for it's respective release.
I've been making more profit by just gathering and running Wyvernskin/ Gaganaskin / Peisteskin maps than I was spending hours grinding Zonureskin maps.

Definitely wasn't the case for Stormblood and Gazelle skin maps, I made BANK doing this in 4.0

It really doesn't help that the end reward of raw gil is halved for the Zonureskin roulette dungeon for seemingly no reason, as well as there not being any 5.0 equivalent to thieves maps.

You can hope for Calf Leather or the art emote or end up with a bunch of over saturated junk.

The common crafts are still valuable, but you're way better off just buying the mats of the MB for cheap and selling the end crafts if you want gil.

I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way either, as Dragonskin and especially Gazelle skin maps sell for more than Zonureskin maps quite often.

With the release of Endwalker, SE will most likely update the prize pool for Gliderskin maps to include a lot of the currently dungeon drop mats for Zonureskin maps.

SE did the same thing for Wyvernskin and Gaganaskin maps at the release of Stormblood and Shadowbringers, respectively.

Lastly, bot Zonureskin parties exist.
Resulting in zOnureskin drops being more over saturated then they would likely be otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Mariner Cotton Cloth is one the most coveted drops from ARR Treasure maps, and soon it will be available for a mere 5 tomes for months

Treasure maps are currently one of the most precious and limited resources in the game, and I feel heavily diminishing the relative value of the rewards isn't a good decision to make for the game

I understand it is by far too late to reverse the decision, but I had to at least voice my concerns and say it sets a bad precedent

I hope to never see rare Treasure items like Mist Silk or Calf Leather available in future iterations of this event

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Just a question, slightly tangenting:
Is the issue that you just don't want it to be available to people in any way other than maps or that you don't want to lose a method of income by selling the cloth/glam because people will have temporary easy access?

I'm just curious what exactly about it is rubbing you the wrong way cause "diminishing value" can be taken different ways depending on who's talking (personal value, market value, etc.)

I think it's wonderful and I think it should be made available in other venues as well.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Just a question, slightly tangenting:
Is the issue that you just don't want it to be available to people in any way other than maps or that you don't want to lose a method of income by selling the cloth/glam because people will have temporary easy access?

I'm just curious what exactly about it is rubbing you the wrong way cause "diminishing value" can be taken different ways depending on who's talking (personal value, market value, etc.)

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It's both to be honest.
Feel free to reserve judgment regarding the latter of course.

Treasure maps are one of my favorite forms on content in the game.
I think it's sad that SE seems to pay such little respect to their legacy content so in this game, and I feel the lack of longevity for content in this game is one of my biggest peeves.

Naturally, I do make gil off ofthe aforementioned Mariner Cotton Cloth as well, but it doesn't affect me much in the long run.

Honestly if you wish I would give you 2 of the cloths right now seeing as how you're on Aether and you've wanted them for a while.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

It's both to be honest.
Feel free to reserve judgment regarding the latter of course.

Treasure maps are one of my favorite forms on content in the game.
I think it's sad that SE seems to pay such little respect to their legacy content so in this game, and I feel the lack of longevity for content in this game is one of my biggest peeves.

Naturally, I do make gil off ofthe aforementioned Mariner Cotton Cloth as well, but it doesn't affect me much in the long run.

Honestly if you wish I would give you 2 of the cloths right now seeing as how you're on Aether and you've wanted them for a while.

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Eh, not gonna judge about it cause I'm a seller too so I get the mentality. Just goes to show the importance of having your eggs in multiple baskets if something like this does happen. And you're valid with your feelings of the content not getting respected, I've heard multiple people express similar feelings with different kinds of content and them feeling like certain areas of the game are getting more attention than others. I feel like the staff is just gonna do what they think is gonna make the most people happy at the end of the day and (this is literally just my opinion so do with it what you wish), I think they're going to try to give people incentive to stick around during the wait to Endwalker and might view giving away a hard to obtain glam (depending on server market ofc) and the mats to continue producing it and making money as a way to do that. I'm just trying to think from a new player perspective rather than someone who's been around for a long time because at the end of the day, their biggest concern is growth and getting more people in the game. Giving away stuff like that would get me excited to stick around and see what else they want to do. (Ngl I did join during a Moogle event so coming from my perspective back then, all of the mounts and minions and free items basically really got me excited during my early game).

Also you don't have to give me them if you want to try to sell them before the crash comes. xD That's very kind of you to offer though. :3

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Eh, not gonna judge about it cause I'm a seller too so I get the mentality. Just goes to show the importance of having your eggs in multiple baskets if something like this does happen. And you're valid with your feelings of the content not getting respected, I've heard multiple people express similar feelings with different kinds of content and them feeling like certain areas of the game are getting more attention than others. I feel like the staff is just gonna do what they think is gonna make the most people happy at the end of the day and (this is literally just my opinion so do with it what you wish), I think they're going to try to give people incentive to stick around during the wait to Endwalker and might view giving away a hard to obtain glam (depending on server market ofc) and the mats to continue producing it and making money as a way to do that. I'm just trying to think from a new player perspective rather than someone who's been around for a long time because at the end of the day, their biggest concern is growth and getting more people in the game. Giving away stuff like that would get me excited to stick around and see what else they want to do. (Ngl I did join during a Moogle event so coming from my perspective back then, all of the mounts and minions and free items basically really got me excited during my early game).

Also you don't have to give me them if you want to try to sell them before the crash comes. xD That's very kind of you to offer though. :3

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If SE is making players happy then ultimately I try not to go against the grain too much.

I just really have a bone to pick with SE's content design philosophy despite being a hardcore supporter of this game.

Also I really don't mind if you want them now, I have plenty of other venues for gil.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Mariner Cotton Cloth is one the most coveted drops from ARR Treasure maps, and soon it will be available for a mere 5 tomes for months

Treasure maps are currently one of the most precious and limited resources in the game, and I feel heavily diminishing the relative value of the rewards isn't a good decision to make for the game

I understand it is by far too late to reverse the decision, but I had to at least voice my concerns and say it sets a bad precedent

I hope to never see rare Treasure items like Mist Silk or Calf Leather available in future iterations of this event

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1. Patch 5.5 will be released in two parts. Part 1 will be released on Tuesday, April 13, and Part 2 is scheduled for the end of May. This has been said in their last video talking about future stuff for XIV. This isn't 'months' as you clearly assumed. This is one month

2. ARR maps aren't dug up as much, and most of the items from it are worth basically nothing. Good for anyone who wanted to do them and make money from it. Don't know why you got your nickers in a twist over ONE ITEM being made easier to get for a small time.

3. You sure said them.

4. Honestly they just might. But they're waiting until it's NO LONGER ON CONTENT STUFF TO DO. They added the T-Rex that you could only get from eureka boxes that was NOT TRADABLE. I held onto 4 extra whistles I got for friends if they ever made them tradable. I'm glad I get to run content with friends to get items I couldn't get them before.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Treasure maps are currently one of the most precious and limited resources in the game, and I feel heavily diminishing the relative value of the rewards isn't a good decision to make for the game

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A clever merchant would buy up the easy to obtain sailcloth during the event, and a month after the event sends start selling it over multiple servers on your datacentre for full price as 12 months pass.

All that easy profit for a year without needing to trust RNG and obtain maps.

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It's both to be honest.

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Find a way to make those maps on the MB cost less than what I posted and we can talk. As it is, you want mariner cloth? Try and dig up one boarskin map a day, run it and run it ad infinitum each day and never get even one cloth drop..or start spending hundreds of thousands of gil on maps and still get zero cloth.

No thanks.

I am VERY pleased that stuff like this is going to be available.

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I think it's sad that SE seems to pay such little respect to their legacy content so in this game, and I feel the lack of longevity for content in this game is one of my biggest peeves.

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They do. the RNG drop rate is atrocious for mariner..been playing for two years, i do maps when they dont cost an arm and both legs and Ive seen maybe five cloth in two years.

Five.

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If SE is making players happy then ultimately I try not to go against the grain too much.

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I find SE's desire to make their players have things ingame to smile about and have fun refreshing and delightful. God knows I can think of another games developer that could learn a thing or ten from how SE treasures its players.

Twelve knows we NEED things to make us smile...a little laughter and a little joy in small things to leaven the grim realities we face is to be cherished.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I find SE's desire to make their players have things ingame to smile about and have fun refreshing and delightful.

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I agree. The mariner cotton clothes have had its run of being rare, now it's getting a run of being plentiful. When the event ends, it will become rare again. I don't see a problem with that. Yes some may temporarily lose out on some lucky bucks, but people could also stock up and sell at a profit later on. For crafters, it shouldn't matter that the materials are going to flood the market anyways. Crafters sell products at a profit. And this wouldn't be the first nor is it going to be the last item that isn't staying at the same profitability forever.

From wipe buffs to unsynccing content, it should already be clear that when something has been rare and out of reach for long enough, it will gradually be made more accessible. That's just the FFXIV way. And I think it is a good thing.

Cant stand content that devalues items like this

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

What I've found with other rare rewards is that once the event ends, the people who want them after that have to do the original content for it instead and that demand remains.

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I find that this is perfect time to hoard all of them and slowy release they back after the event is over for massive profit. But what do i know...

Sadly in SE eyes everything before the latest patch is considered old and ready for nerfs and content isn't anymore like it was meant to be.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

Sadly in SE eyes everything before the latest patch is considered old and ready for nerfs and content isn't anymore like it was meant to be.

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It's kind of a stretch to blame this on "SE is quick to nerf item acquisition", considering we're talking about an item that got added almost 7 years ago (March 2014). And in this case, it's just an event that'll be around for about 5 weeks.

I'm a little surprised it took them this long to make the mariner cloth glams easily accessible considering that virtually every other formerly treasure map exclusive glam has been made available via quick ventures, lockboxes, deep dungeon troves, or scrip vendors.

Not saying it's necessarily a good thing, though.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Mariner Cotton Cloth is one the most coveted drops from ARR Treasure maps, and soon it will be available for a mere 5 tomes for months

Treasure maps are currently one of the most precious and limited resources in the game, and I feel heavily diminishing the relative value of the rewards isn't a good decision to make for the game

I understand it is by far too late to reverse the decision, but I had to at least voice my concerns and say it sets a bad precedent

I hope to never see rare Treasure items like Mist Silk or Calf Leather available in future iterations of this event

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Quick ventures drops of the Moonfire glamour gear last year already depressed the Mariner Cotton Cloth market far more than this event will. I'm still sitting on a nice big stack from all the cheap gear I desynthesized last year and I would imagine other crafters did the same.

I don't see a 4 week event as a problem considering most players are going to be farming tomestones to get the mounts and other items they want, not to get a crafting material for a glamour item they likely already have if they wanted it since they could buy it cheap last year.

I don't see a problem if they do the same with Mist Silk and Calf Leather in the future. There will be always be other rare materials for glamours available through maps. Prices will start rebounding a month after the event ends and the supply dries up (assuming items don't end up fairly common drops from quick ventures in the meantime).

I run quick ventures all the time and have seen 1 mariner cloth...maybe two..in a year.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm a little surprised it took them this long to make the mariner cloth glams easily accessible considering that virtually every other formerly treasure map exclusive glam has been made available via quick ventures, lockboxes, deep dungeon troves, or scrip vendors.

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They already drop from PotD.

It's still hard to get them, and to get the cloth for crafting.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I run quick ventures all the time and have seen 1 mariner cloth...maybe two..in a year.

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I didn't say the quick ventures were dropping the cloth. I said they were dropping the Moonfire glamour gear and I was getting the cloth by desynthing those.

A lot of the profit from quick ventures doesn't come from selling the item direct. It comes from desynthing the items for materials that are more valuable than what the items themselves are selling for thanks to quick venture causing market oversaturation. Wouldn't you happily buy up Sandals selling for 2-5k gil that had a 25% chance of yielding a cloth that normally sells for 60k-100k gil? I certainly did.

The Mariner Cotton Cloth market was already going to be depressed this summer thanks to those like me who took advantage of last year's opportunity. Adding the cloth to the event is going to hurt us more than it would hurt the map runners who have plenty of other valuable materials to get from maps.