To Much Experience

It would be nice if there was a way to turn off any or all bonus experience. At least the bonus from playing on certain servers. I just hit 51 in my main job and I am still doing, I think level 41 or 42 main story quests. At this rate I will be over 60 before going into the first expansion's content. And all I have done is the story quests and the class quests. Literally nothing else.

I would be tempted to switch servers if the friend who got me into FF14 wasn't playing on my current one.

I get that the bonus will be wonderful when I am leveling a new job, but right now, it's way to much. Would just be nice to have a way to shut it off until I am ready to use it is all. I just don't like being way over leveled from what I am currently doing, at least not the first time through.

Ah well, I guess I can start a new job and start doing the story quests again when I reach the proper level once more.

There's literally nothing wrong with overleveling. There's level sync in this game for a reason

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Originally Posted by MPK

There's literally nothing wrong with overleveling. There's level sync in this game for a reason

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Notice that I didn’t say there was anything wrong with it, just that I don’t like it. Not an I suggesting the game cater to me, which is why I said it would be nice. I am also well aware of level syncing, don’t really like that either. It sucks having a bunch of skills go poof.

Not really making any demands here, mostly just speaking my thoughts out loud.

There is an experience bonus from being on a Preferred world. You may be able to disable this by right-clicking it, or by having not made the character on a Preferred world.

You can avoid the free company experience bonus by visiting another world or joining a different free company that doesn't use it. I recommend not doing any roulettes if you don't want to overlevel as well.

You should avoid leveling alternative classes above your main class' level, otherwise it gives an experience bonus.

You said you are forced to play on this world because of a friend, but you could make your character on a non-Preferred world from the same data center, then visit their world.

It would be nice if they could add something like the Stone of the Tortoise from LoTRO to the game, except as an earring or some other equippable. It's not something I'd ever care to use, but for people who don't want to wildly outpace content even on non-preferred worlds it could be something nifty.

That said it's use in LoTRO is more versatile because there the game places far more importance on the stories of each individual area - and it's way too easy to massively outpace each area's level range when trying to do everything in it. So it might not have much use here.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

There is an experience bonus from being on a Preferred world. You may be able to disable this by right-clicking it, or by having not made the character on a Preferred world.

You can avoid the free company experience bonus by visiting another world or joining a different free company that doesn't use it. I recommend not doing any roulettes if you don't want to overlevel as well.

You should avoid leveling alternative classes above your main class' level, otherwise it gives an experience bonus.

You said you are forced to play on this world because of a friend, but you could make your character on a non-Preferred world from the same data center, then visit their world.

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Yeah, that is something I was thinking about, and then like I think I mentioned transferring back onto my friends server once I am where I want to be.

Appreciate the advice though. :)

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Originally Posted by Wolven_Essence

Notice that I didn’t say there was anything wrong with it, just that I don’t like it.

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Ok, but there is no negative that comes out of overleveling either, so there's no reason to dislike it.

Gears do not scale with your level in this game, so you'll still receive gears that is appropriate to the quest/content that you are doing.

If it still bothers you so much, just hide your exp bar as you don't really need to see it.

The easiest way to slow down your EXP gain is to pick up a second class and use it while you're running quests.

You're level 50 so (assuming you have the expansions) you can go unlock RDM or SAM now and start putting EXP into them.

If you hit level 60 of the MSQ and you've still got an issue with too much EXP on your main class, grab GNB or DNC and spread it further.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Ok, but there is no negative that comes out of overleveling either, so there's no reason to dislike it.

Gears do not scale with your level in this game, so you'll still receive gears that is appropriate to the quest/content that you are doing.

If it still bothers you so much, just hide your exp bar as you don't really need to see it.

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Of course there is a reason to dislike it. I already mentioned one. Because level syncing taking away my abilities all the time annoys me.

For another, I’m leveling so fast through the main story and class quests alone that they are all I do, and while the story is really good, the majority of the main story quests are ‘go here and talk to this person, then go there and talk to that person’. That’s a lot of talking. It would be good to break that up a little bit more often with action. Fates, levequests, non story dungeons, etc. Do that though and I level up faster still.

I realize this is a non issue for the vast majority of people. But I am something of a weird guy. Greatly out leveling the main story stuff makes my brain itch.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The easiest way to slow down your EXP gain is to pick up a second class and use it while you're running quests.

You're level 50 so (assuming you have the expansions) you can go unlock RDM or SAM now and start putting EXP into them.

If you hit level 60 of the MSQ and you've still got an issue with too much EXP on your main class, grab GNB or DNC and spread it further.

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Yeah, that is the method I am gonna go with. :)

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Originally Posted by Wolven_Essence

Of course there is a reason to dislike it. I already mentioned one. Because level syncing taking away my abilities all the time annoys me.

For another, I’m leveling so fast through the main story and class quests alone that they are all I do, and while the story is really good, the majority of the main story quests are ‘go here and talk to this person, then go there and talk to that person’. That’s a lot of talking. It would be good to break that up a little bit more often with action. Fates, levequests, non story dungeons, etc. Do that though and I level up faster still.

I realize this is a non issue for the vast majority of people. But I am something of a weird guy. Greatly out leveling the main story stuff makes my brain itch.

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We can all relate to level sync disabling your skills and why that's annoying.
But you're outlevelling the sync by 10 levels, just 10 levels, that's about 3-4 skills at most.

By the time you're level 80, you'll be running old synced content on a daily basis and losing your skills when synced becomes a daily occurrence, and far more than just 3-4 skills at that. You just get used to it, it's just the format of this game, and it's there for a reason.

Considering the game level syncs you down for anything with even the slightest tiny whiff of difficulty about it - even the majority of solo quests that aren't simply "go from point A to click something at point B" - I'm not sure this is actually needed.

Probably the easiest way to implement if they wanted to anyway? A checkbox somewhere that says "Always Level Sync to MSQ quest level?" That would sync you to that if not otherwised synced down.

If your issue is level-syncing, then your issue isn't that you're too overleveled - you just dislike level syncing. EVERYONE regardless of their level or place in the story experiences level sync unless doing at-level content. If you don't want to experience level-syncing, I'd recommend finding a group of friends to help you unsync content - you'd have access to your entire toolkit that way, and the only places you'd sync down to would be FATEs or Solo Duties.

EDIT: I'd also like to add, if you weren't level-syncing and you were doing all content AT LEVEL, you'd still only have access to the limited toolkit of that level, without even the chance to touch and practice with the skills you have access to now.

FFXIV isn't a game about leveling your level, it's about leveling your gear. You may think leveling take's too much time now, just wait until you're 80. Skill bloat/spam is just one of the arguable flaws in this game.

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Originally Posted by Wolven_Essence

Of course there is a reason to dislike it. I already mentioned one. Because level syncing taking away my abilities all the time annoys me.

For another, I’m leveling so fast through the main story and class quests alone that they are all I do, and while the story is really good, the majority of the main story quests are ‘go here and talk to this person, then go there and talk to that person’. That’s a lot of talking. It would be good to break that up a little bit more often with action. Fates, levequests, non story dungeons, etc. Do that though and I level up faster still.

I realize this is a non issue for the vast majority of people. But I am something of a weird guy. Greatly out leveling the main story stuff makes my brain itch.

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Level sync is just a part of the game regardless if you're overleveled or not. Of course, once you get to max level, you can limit the amount of activity you do to not deal with level sync, but it's still there for max level characters.

And just for the record, you can always do other stuff even if you're not behind on exp and can continue with the MSQ. That said, the reason to try to stick to the MSQ is because it's long, but only needs to be done once per character. If you venture out too much outside the MSQ, you can forget to continue with it and can get further behind.

Either way, I hope it works out for you whatever method you choose to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Ok, but there is no negative that comes out of overleveling either, so there's no reason to dislike it.

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There are negatives to overleveling.

When you're more than 5 levels above a creature, chances are good it's going to ignore you. If you're more than 10 levels above it, it will ignore you. That removes danger from the world at a time when those creatures should be aggressive and feel threatening. They also die much easier because they aren't designed with the higher level toolkits and power in mind, reducing the chance of them feel threatening even more.

When you're more than 10 levels above a creature, your chocobo gains no XP from when you kill it so it ranks up much slower.

There's no useful benefit to overleveling because MSQ controls content unlocks (other than 5 ARR dungeons) and zone unlocks once you get to HW content.

There needs to be a way to disable the bonuses for those who want to be able to experience all the content at the intended level and not just the dungeons/trials. Those who want to faceroll the content can always do additional roulettes to get the extra levels for the power advantage.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There are negatives to overleveling.

When you're more than 5 levels above a creature, chances are good it's going to ignore you. If you're more than 10 levels above it, it will ignore you. That removes danger from the world at a time when those creatures should be aggressive and feel threatening. They also die much easier because they aren't designed with the higher level toolkits and power in mind, reducing the chance of them feel threatening even more.

When you're more than 10 levels above a creature, your chocobo gains no XP from when you kill it so it ranks up much slower.

There's no useful benefit to overleveling because MSQ controls content unlocks (other than 5 ARR dungeons) and zone unlocks once you get to HW content.

There needs to be a way to disable the bonuses for those who want to be able to experience all the content at the intended level and not just the dungeons/trials. Those who want to faceroll the content can always do additional roulettes to get the extra levels for the power advantage.

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Content becoming easier is just part of the game. Even synced content doesn't put you at the "intended" level, not with many players syncing to the maxed level.

Chocobo leveling slower is not an issue because the open world is not too dangerous anyway outside of certain ARR zones early on or perhaps during big FATEs, which syncs you, so you can level your chocobo that way or wait until you're max level and fight max level enemies.

Useful benefit to overleveling is to make things easier for your main or to speed up your alt leveling.

I'm glad that I started playing years ago. Leveling was an experience. It made me feel invested. I remember feeling so happy I was finally lvl 50 PLD and got to wear my attifact armour xD Now people hit 60>80 before they're even in Heavenswars and know **** all about the job they're playing.

I must admit I've also found a few issues with the enormous Xp I'm getting from preferred world status. Namely gear. As a returning player on a new account I bought the ARR story skip as I just didn't want to do it again. I was happy to start on PLD and level through dungeons until I get to heavensward which I'm looking forward to doing again.
The problem is I'm leveling so fast I cant keep up with gear. Level synced roulette players rarely want to do full clears and after one dungeon run I'm already high enough to do the next, but haven't got the gear for it, especially as the tank.

My solution was to make the most of the xp buff and level my crafting and gathering jobs so I can just make my own gear. Its working well to be fair but leveling too fast wasn't a problem I was expecting to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Blakemere

I must admit I've also found a few issues with the enormous Xp I'm getting from preferred world status. Namely gear. As a returning player on a new account I bought the ARR story skip as I just didn't want to do it again. I was happy to start on PLD and level through dungeons until I get to heavensward which I'm looking forward to doing again.
The problem is I'm leveling so fast I cant keep up with gear. Level synced roulette players rarely want to do full clears and after one dungeon run I'm already high enough to do the next, but haven't got the gear for it, especially as the tank.

My solution was to make the most of the xp buff and level my crafting and gathering jobs so I can just make my own gear. Its working well to be fair but leveling too fast wasn't a problem I was expecting to be honest.

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msq would've given you gear, you should also be doing your class quests, you should already be a paladin at level 53. you should've been a paladin at level 30.

I think it would be nice to have the option to turn off XP gain for those who don't want it. If you like getting bonus XP, (I'd fall into this camp btw) you won't be affected at all.
With the stat squish coming, levelling is going to get even faster in the near future and if being able to slow things down is going to please some players and make them more likely to stay subbed, then I can't see an issue.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

msq would've given you gear, you should also be doing your class quests, you should already be a paladin at level 53. you should've been a paladin at level 30.

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I was a PLD at level 30. I know how to level a job as on my previous account I had all but AST, SAM and RDM capped. Your reply has nothing to do with anything I said but I appreciate the passive aggression anyway bud.

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Yeah MSQ would have given me some gear but also massively compounded the exp problem. Not really a solution then.

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Originally Posted by Blakemere

Yeah MSQ would have given me some gear but also massively compounded the exp problem. Not really a solution then.

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Unless you're going to keep buying MSQ boost, you're going to have to do the MSQ anyway to unlock further dungeons. It's really the best solution to your gearing problem.

And if you are going to keep boosting through the MSQ, then leveling dungeons gives one guaranteed gear now every run and you can also earn poetics. Also, those boosts should come with gil, so you can buy vendor gears as well at strategic moments of your choosing.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Unless you're going to keep buying MSQ boost, you're going to have to do the MSQ anyway to unlock further dungeons. It's really the best solution to your gearing problem.

And if you are going to keep boosting through the MSQ, then leveling dungeons gives one guaranteed gear now every run and you can also earn poetics. Also, those boosts should come with gil, so you can buy vendor gears as well at strategic moments of your choosing.

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I'm more than happy to do Heavensward and onwards, looking forward to it in fact. It was just ARR I didn't want to do again. The problem I found was I didnt get gear anything like fast enough from dungeons because after one run I'd be on to the next and roulette groups tend to want to go straight to bosses rather than clear side rooms and stuff for extra chests. The 300k didn't last very long either to be honest.
I just want to mention though that I'm not whining about it, I solved it by putting my last 60k into crafting when I realised I couldn't afford to gear up much more. I'm also level 53 now so can just get poetics gear now which I know lasts a good while.
My original post was just to empathise a little with the op and to point out that exp can actually be too fast at times which surprised me as well as a returning player.

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Originally Posted by Blakemere

My original post was just to empathise a little with the op and to point out that exp can actually be too fast at times which surprised me as well as a returning player.

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Maybe, but as you've seen, it's a situation with an easy solution. You could even just continue to spam the previous dungeon if you're unable to meet the next dungeon's item level and you don't want to buy/craft gear as leveling dungeon should be getting you one guaranteed gear now at the end of every run.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Maybe, but as you've seen, it's a situation with an easy solution. You could even just continue to spam the previous dungeon if you're unable to meet the next dungeon's item level and you don't want to buy/craft gear as leveling dungeon should be getting you one guaranteed gear now at the end of every run.

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The guaranteed drop is nice and as a tank you can obviously need anything you actually need which did help. I did think about replaying some dungeons but was worried I would just skip further ahead, I skipped 2 or 3 anyway as it was common to gain 3 levels on a roulette run.
Im lucky really because I had crafting experience and could remember a few solid money making synths in the level 25-30 range so I just did those and got my game back on track.

The people this could really effect are first time players who experiment a bit with jobs and blow that 300k. In future if I end up in Stone Vigil with a tank who's gear is 20 levels out of date I might have a little more insight into how that happens. It took a concerted effort and some experience for me to not end up in that position.

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Originally Posted by Blakemere

I skipped 2 or 3 anyway as it was common to gain 3 levels on a roulette run.

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Actually, if you're worried about gears, I wouldn't use the roulette. I would queue up for a dungeon manually and then move to the next dungeon when I'm ready.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Actually, if you're worried about gears, I wouldn't use the roulette. I would queue up for a dungeon manually and then move to the next dungeon when I'm ready.

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I get that, its a good idea but what tempted me to use it was actually the company seals bonus for role in need. I thought if I could level up in rank I might be able to get some gear from there but I didnt manage to level it fast enough to help gear my first job. I didn't really fancy FATE gringing for seals so went the crafting route instead. At least I can get some for my next jobs.

I will say the exp bonus is absurd for crafting, so all is well that ends well I guess. On some of my crafts I could get from 1 to 22-23 in 20 minutes including job quests, it was crazy. As it counts for quests and leves I was getting nearly 2 million exp for one synth in the 40's on Weaver. Was mental lol. Im definitely going to make the most of that while it lasts and get all of them to 70.

Additional point, if groups don't want to full clear, and you're already running as tank anyway, just go back after you finish the dungeon and bull rush your way to all the chests. Personally, I love backtracking and picking up chests everyone forgot after they all leave. Slightly less fun in ARR runs with the side routes, but eh, so what if you die? Just pick yourself back up and on to the next.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Additional point, if groups don't want to full clear, and you're already running as tank anyway, just go back after you finish the dungeon and bull rush your way to all the chests. Personally, I love backtracking and picking up chests everyone forgot after they all leave. Slightly less fun in ARR runs with the side routes, but eh, so what if you die? Just pick yourself back up and on to the next.

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Thats a great point, I didnt consider that so cheers for the tip :)

So although I still dislike the bonus experience for doing quests, I am finding I really like having it for leveling up crafting jobs, lol. I played around on a server without the bonus exp, and when I started working on crafts.....whooo boy it was going slow. So...definitely gonna stick with the bonus exp world.