Yoshi P confirmed they CUT ultimate content from 6.0 not DELAY

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...to-ps5-4123752

TR: For Endwalker, are there plans to have 2 or 3 Ultimates across the expansion in its entirety. Following the announcement of no further Ultimates in Shadowbringers, are some of these ideas being saved for the final expansion in the Scion storyline?

Yoshida: "At this present point in time I’d like to have 2 Ultimates but I’m unable to provide a clear answer as we’re currently reviewing the schedule for the 6.X series."

Instead of adding more challenging battle content they decided to add farmville into ffxiv. Great job Square!

To the shock of absolutely no one. Although, this does put to rest the whole argument they're simply delaying Ultimate. Yes, they're delaying this Ultimate while cancelling the one originally slated for 6.1.

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

This is not surprising. Still disappointed that YoshiP almost hinted there would be only one ultimate in EW.
But at least this time we are warned beforehand, not after spending two months for nothing.

In some old interviews YoshiP did mention how taxing designing an ultimate fight is, i wonder if that is a contributing factor.

Hope they can come up with some other form of challenge for high-end raiders. Maybe instead of a 18min fight, some WOW style raids that has a handful of 6-8min fights?

If getting 1 more Ultimate out for ShB was too difficult, where did you think they'd be pulling 3 Ultimates for 6.x out of?

I mean.. losing content is never fun, but I imagine that farmville is going to be enjoyed by a lot more people than ultimate (hopefully it's not slapdash put together). Preference nothing is cut and SE has infinite funds and work power to make everything of course.



Ultimate is nice for those extreme players but it's a subset of a subset that gets to actually take part (like.. a partial %). Shouldn't forget about the minority but.. given the situation it makes sense to focus on the majority (majority isn't hardcore audience, I would argue isn't even medium core lol). We might be closer to medium core if people cared to follow instructions like some of the more eastern tendencies (people seem to coalesces easier, agree on a strategy and just 'do that'), but no we know that's not how we do over here lol.

Also, Farmville is not made or balanced by the guy making ultimate...

Its like listening to politicians pass the blame....

I don't see anywhere where he said its cut, all he said is he cant give an answer right now.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Instead of adding more challenging battle content they decided to add farmville into ffxiv. Great job Square!

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you have no idea how game development and programming work if you think the same people would work on both. do yourself a favor and just unsub instead of whining on the forums.

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Originally Posted by MPK

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...to-ps5-4123752

TR: For Endwalker, are there plans to have 2 or 3 Ultimates across the expansion in its entirety. Following the announcement of no further Ultimates in Shadowbringers, are some of these ideas being saved for the final expansion in the Scion storyline?

Yoshida: "At this present point in time I’d like to have 2 Ultimates but I’m unable to provide a clear answer as we’re currently reviewing the schedule for the 6.X series."

Instead of adding more challenging battle content they decided to add farmville into ffxiv. Great job Square!

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They are indeed doing a great job. Its nice you finally noticed. They are catering to the vast majority of their player base that wants a polished expansion over 1 ultimate encounter.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

They are indeed doing a great job. Its nice you finally noticed. They are catering to the vast majority of their player base that wants a polished expansion over 1 ultimate encounter.

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No one even cares about the story, I personally skip all the cutscenes and I know many others who does the same. The only thing that matters in this game is the battle content.

Edit: This is clearly the case in streaming platforms. Ultimate fights draws tens of thousands of viewers while people who stream the story only get like single digit viewers if any!

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

To the shock of absolutely no one. Although, this does put to rest the whole argument they're simply delaying Ultimate. Yes, they're delaying this Ultimate while cancelling the one originally slated for 6.1.

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

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Yeah, if there aren't 3 coming out in EW, then it sounds like they have already decided to exclude one ultimate. I wonder what kind of "content" they are going to work on instead? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

I don't see anywhere where he said its cut, all he said is he cant give an answer right now.

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I think, deep down, we both already know the truth.

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Originally Posted by MPK

No one even cares about the story, I personally skip all the cutscenes and I know many others who does the same. The only thing that matters in this game is the battle content.

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I really don't care if you like the story or not, that's up to you but to say that no one cares about the story couldn't be more wrong. One of the big reasons Shadowbringers got such a high praise was because of the story and even the story writer got a standing ovation for it.

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Originally Posted by MPK

No one even cares about the story, I personally skip all the cutscenes and I know many others who does the same. The only thing that matters in this game is the battle content.

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>No one

>I know at least 15 people who only sub for the story.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the people who love the story intensely outweigh the people who love the battle content, let alone the people who love Ultimate. The battle designers aren't the ones putting farmville into the game. Ultimate was cut due to them needing all battle designers on-board for Endwalker battle content development due to COVID impacting their work flow.

From all your posts, it seems extremely clear you're unsatisfied with Square doing what any smart business would do and prioritize the content that will be vastly more played by the people bringing in the $$$ than more niche battle content. if you're that unsatisfied, vote with your wallet; complaining on the forums will get you nowhere; they made the decision to cut ultimate fully well knowing it'd annoy a smaller vocal portion of their fanbase so you're yelling into the void on this matter.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

If getting 1 more Ultimate out for ShB was too difficult, where did you think they'd be pulling 3 Ultimates for 6.x out of?

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I honestly get the impression they don't actually enjoy developing Ultimate, and only do so grudgingly. Nearly every interview, they cite both the difficulty and stress. Although, I suspect the dev team as a whole is just more excited seeing people try xyz, play with it for however long and move on to something else compared to the frustration inevitably brought on by attempting an extremely difficult fight. While disappointing, I cannot exactly disagree with the assessment someone made in the discord we've been discussing this.

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Well I mean, think about it from their perspective: they're creating an insanely difficult fight that likely very few members of their team can even clear, it's also something that while a large number of players may actually attempt, few will clear and garner the rewards, it takes a massive amount of resources to develop a regular savage raid with 1 boss but now you have a 20 minute long fight with multiple bosses appearing with new attacks and forms possibly so they can't just pull resources from prior fights. So it's an immense time sink for them and lots of new assets need to be developed, meanwhile they likely have some of the same people that are developing the savage raids and 24-mans and trials, that are also working on ultimate.

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Originally Posted by MPK

No one even cares about the story, I personally skip all the cutscenes and I know many others who does the same. The only thing that matters in this game is the battle content.

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I care! And I always hope for both rewarding story and engaging battle content.

Well it's clear which content is more popular. When a even patch drops and savage content gets released, what gets more views on twitch? The story content or the savage race?

Answer's pretty obvious here. There's a reason no one watches another person do the story on twitch, it's boring. The story isn't even good.

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Originally Posted by MPK

No one even cares about the story, I personally skip all the cutscenes and I know many others who does the same. The only thing that matters in this game is the battle content.

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If you're going to troll and purposely incite conflict, at least be creative. No one, from the casual-est of casual to the 100% speed killer remotely believes this nonsense. The overwhelming majority of players care far more about the story than Savage or Ultimate. While we can certainly argue whether one demographic gets cater towards too often, let's not get delusional.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, if there aren't 3 coming out in EW, then it sounds like they have already decided to exclude one ultimate. I wonder what kind of "content" they are going to work on instead? :rolleyes:

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There wont be anything else 'instead'. Of course it ultimately means there's less content, that's what Delays do, they push everything back, so within a certain time frame you have less that there would have been.
These little "gotcha" comments are pretty pathetic. "Ahah! you said 'delay' but actually it means 'cut' which is totally different and therefore you lied. Gotcha!"

This isn't even a 'game development' thing specifically. Anyone who has ever worked on a large scale project, or had to professionally deliver a product in a certain time frame will understand this. Y'all need to grow up.
They're likely constrained by budgets and management choices, and nothing they do to make up for that is going to 'replace' the content lost from this delay.
They could go out of their way to work harder and provide more, like they did with Viera/Hrothgar hats, but Japanese work ethic being what it is, I'd hope they don't kill themselves trying.

I know you love forum trolling, but when you're making a valid thread you have to stop attacking other content if you want to be taken seriously.

It's a legitimate topic and a shame if it gets buried and ignored, or flamed, simply because "it's an MPK thread".

I’ll take new content over recycled old content. Please look foreword to it.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

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I wonder how much of that is logistic and developmental concerns, and how much of it is just the fact that none of the, like, 3 people that can make ultimate raids likes or wants to work on Ultimates.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I wonder how much of that is logistic and developmental concerns, and how much of it is just the fact that none of the, like, 3 people that can make ultimate raids likes or wants to work on Ultimates.

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i love ultimates. i love the work i've put in on progging TEA, i love the night i joined an O4S clear party and we all said, "h*ck it, let's just jump in to UCoB" and had an absolute blast trying to get through Twintania phase. but if the people working on them hate doing it, they will suffer and i'm not sure they'll end up as enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

i love ultimates. i love the work i've put in on progging TEA, i love the night i joined an O4S clear party and we all said, "h*ck it, let's just jump in to UCoB" and had an absolute blast trying to get through Twintania phase. but if the people working on them hate doing it, they will suffer and i'm not sure they'll end up as enjoyable.

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I agree.
I hope they find a more enjoyable way to develop them.
As I understand it a lot of their frustrations come from incredible pressure to make raids as perfect as possible.
Not only are they very very looked forward to, but also because they're so highly tuned any hiccup can just amount to a disaster (which is why even if a job has problems they don't do hot fixes before an Ult drops.)
The pressure they face to really deliver with this content is just too great.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

There wont be anything else 'instead'. Of course it ultimately means there's less content, that's what Delays do, they push everything back, so within a certain time frame you have less that there would have been.
These little "gotcha" comments are pretty pathetic. "Ahah! you said 'delay' but actually it means 'cut' which is totally different and therefore you lied. Gotcha!"

This isn't even a 'game development' thing specifically. Anyone who has ever worked on a large scale project, or had to professionally deliver a product in a certain time frame will understand this. Y'all need to grow up.
They're likely constrained by budgets and management choices, and nothing they do to make up for that is going to 'replace' the content lost from this delay.
They could go out of their way to work harder and provide more, like they did with Viera/Hrothgar hats, but Japanese work ethic being what it is, I'd hope they don't kill themselves trying.

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No, it quite literally means one is cut. If one of the two EW ultimates is a delayed ShB ultimate that is at least 70% done (at this moment - this many months before EW), then where is the third ultimate (rather the second EW ultimate)? If only two are coming out one was cut, and the resources are being allocated elsewhere.

Imagine thinking the same developer that works on Ultimate(s) would be the same developer working on Island Sanctuary, or vice versa.

Cluelessness has limits.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

The pressure they face to really deliver with this content is just too great.

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That’s why i think maybe it’s time for the dev team to try a new form of high-end content which can still provide challenge to players but less stressful for the developers.

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Originally Posted by LyraleiManagem

That’s why i think maybe it’s time for the dev team to try a new form of high-end content which can still provide challenge to players but less stressful for the developers.

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So.... Savage DR?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Imagine thinking the same developer that works on Ultimate(s) would be the same developer working on Island Sanctuary, or vice versa.

Cluelessness has limits.

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This is why I tend to really dislike people denying something due to budget; although, maybe in general I just don't like no(s) lol.. It's actually possible that the person who makes ultimate is now working on the island, maybe they were tired of ultimate or maybe they just also had a passion for this. Or you know it's possible ultimate team never touches that sort of stuff because it's lame to them. It's possible it's set aside because they need ultimate team to 'all hands on deck' the expansion content first (kind of what Yoshida said). It's possible SE thinks the return of investment is not worth it.



It's... possible.. something.. happens.. yeah..


So I generally dislike that as it seems like a great way to trashbin something if you ignore the fact we've no clue what's going on lol. Rather just say what you'd want (or not want), and go from there.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So.... Savage DR?

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That’s is one direction. I’ll enjoy it when they make a new one that’s not locked behind eureka.
Got two weapons and cleared BA, and now i have eureka ptsd.

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Originally Posted by Ariel_Valmont

I’ll take new content over recycled old content. Please look foreword to it.

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Sadly most of the dungeons and raids are recycled with new theme on top

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So.... Savage DR?

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Yeah, savage DR, content nobody does! And the few who do it, do it once (even though it was intended to be farmed)!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, savage DR content nobody does! And the few who do it, do it once (even though it was intended to be farmed)!

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But people just want difficult content no?


I keep getting mixed messages on what the point of ultimate is. Is it just for difficult contents sake? Is it for a reward? Is it to feel special?


DR savage does something different and is difficult. If that's what you are after, the how shouldn't matter.

I fail to see how this changes anything at all.

You have to remember, that the vast, vast majority of the playerbase doesn't even know that Ultimates EXIST. I sure wouldn't if I didn't read the forums.

Lol MPK always making these threads with like zero understanding of how development works...FarmVille has nothing to do with Ultimate.

Also their priority is putting out a polished expansion rather than 1 more ultimate. I enjoy the challenging content but I also enjoy the story and almost all other things the game offers. Maybe do more then just one thing because MMOs have never catered to just one group and if it did, let me tell you lol the Role players and extremely casuals outnumber us all.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

But people just want difficult content no?


I keep getting mixed messages on what the point of ultimate is. Is it just for difficult contents sake? Is it for a reward? Is it to feel special?


DR savage does something different and is difficult. If that's what you are after, the how shouldn't matter.

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DR savage was horribly implemented, that's the problem. If SE is going to experiment they shouldn't do it like this, and things that were promised certainly shouldn't be cut - or delayed - for this content. That content should come first.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

DR savage was horribly implemented, that's the problem. If SE is going to experiment they shouldn't do it like this, and things that were promised certainly shouldn't be cut - or delayed - for this content. That content should come first.

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You didn't answer the question tho.

And I'm curious if the only reason you think it's horribly implemented is its behind bozja.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

But people just want difficult content no?

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To a degree. I imagine they want challenging content that is accessible. It takes an immense amount of time and effort to find 47 other players to do DR (Savage) with. To say nothing of the additional strain of having the correct lost actions and similar schedules.

There's a lot of people, myself included, who already struggle to find 7 other players to raid with consistently.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

You have to remember, that the vast, vast majority of the playerbase doesn't even know that Ultimates EXIST. I sure wouldn't if I didn't read the forums.

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Fakest news of all time. Look up lalachievement numbers. Clear rates are about 10% each (Public ownly probably a lot more private).