I think I have an Idea of the next Melee Class!

So I been grinding and just playing The southern warfront, I see the new relic gear and it makes us all look like Judges An iconic and very bad ass job now My brain kinda Clicked and looking at Yoshis shirt We see a grim reaper and people jumped on Necro and all that but Listen follow me on this one The grim reaper does what? He judges whether it is your time to die or not correct?

Could Judge be the next heavy Maiming job?!?!?! it fits right?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

I thought about that, with how obtuse the shirt hints can be, having the Grim Reaper could be in the sense that he is seen as the Judge of the Dead. I also think that with the recent Law's Order gear sets released in 5.45, having the Maiming gear set the most accurate to Judge Gabranth, the most iconic Judge in the Ivalice games, could be a hint to it.

https://i.redd.it/y45wvx55y1f61.png

https://www.sell2bbnovelties.com/mm5...1GNCuhlmnL.jpg

It could also be a neat way to give us a version of the mystic knight/spellblade/rune fencer, since they also were magically inclined, like when Judge Ghis was loading up a Flare before it being absorbed into the nethicite the party had.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CpxmOk9WalE/maxresdefault.jpg

Unfortunately Judge is already taken - it's what the GMs are (their gear is literally called 'Judge' gear - Yoshi's alter ego The Wandering Minstrel also wears the latter attire). This is further reinforced by how in the Garlean Empire the supreme commanders are called 'Legatus' not Judge (despite otherwise being FFXII's Judges in all but name).

Just like Onion gear practically precluding any Onion Knight job in the game, due to the GMs already taking Judge as theirs I don't see Judge appearing as a player Job alas.

I don't think GM gear players never see will preclude any jobs from happening. Back when gunblade was announced as the next job weapon, speculation was that we'd get a Garlean mentor or magitek knight job to explain why that is, but they just wholly invented a new race and ancient history of the gunblade that it turns out Garleans stole as to why we have a the Gunbreaker job, so they could easily do the same thing saying that Judges were an ancient order from Landis that Garlemald appropriated when they conquered them.

Pretty sure the shirts are just hints at Magus Sisters..

Oh I think this is going to be the right answer

They could dual wield swords which would be great so they don’t have to add more assets to the game

The magic they could use can look a bit more nuetral so they don’t lean to far over to dark knight or paladin.

I think it’s cute of them to make the armor for Bozja as a hint

This also reminds me of the way a lot of the garleans look in game albeit with brighter colors.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Pretty sure the shirts are just hints at Magus Sisters..

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I don't mean offense but that one sounds like a leap, compared to other options. I'd go Judge before I go Magus Sisters (one sister has a scythe, sometimes, and with two reaper shirts that means the sisters are coming..?). And I wouldn't necessarily say Judge either since Reapers are not Judges, really, they are more like Charon- they ferry (guide) lost souls.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I don't mean offense but that one sounds like a leap, compared to other options. I'd go Judge before I go Magus Sisters (one sister has a scythe, sometimes, and with two reaper shirts that means the sisters are coming..?). And I wouldn't necessarily say Judge either since Reapers are not Judges, really, they are more like Charon- they ferry (guide) lost souls.

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They are also in the artwork for the new dungeon, with the oldest sister holding a scythe.
And to be clear I don’t think they are going to be a job in the game, I just think his shirts were akin to his Bugs Bunny shirt in 2018.

Also the to piggyback off Charon, the Sisters are based on the furies that also guide souls to the afterlife.

With them also being fought in the Tower of Zot in FF4 I don’t think it’s a leap any more than the thought of a “reaper” class in a final fantasy is.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

They are also in the artwork for the new dungeon, with the oldest sister holding a scythe.
And to be clear I don’t think they are going to be a job in the game, I just think his shirts were akin to his Bugs Bunny shirt in 2018.

Also the to piggyback off Charon, the Sisters are based on the furies that also guide souls to the afterlife.

With them also being fought in the Tower of Zot in FF4 I don’t think it’s a leap any more than the thought of a “reaper” class in a final fantasy is.

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That magus may be coming, I don't that is a leap, that the shirts were for them I do.

Bugs bunny was for Viera, a pretty legendary announcement to make. Maybe it is just me but Magus sisters being added to the game literally adds nothing for me. It's not exciting news, or sort of news to care about, like Anima being added who is a big deal.

The artwork that may relate magus only makes me think of Ranjit like situation even more since one had an elephant, adding further to that whole Sanskrit potential situation and as you said furies (making a job that is in essence Charon even more likely, The Fates are not like Charon (and they don't guide souls, they weaved fate hence they were called the Fates) - so there isn't an issue that both exist, if anything it supports it since the reference material of Fates obviously has a Charon). Of course other than Charon there is also Thanatos, they have some overlap in duties sometimes (Charon more dedicated guide obviously lol).

Viera = big news, worth a shirt
Magus sisters = ....kay? The possible evidence that they are coming I think is fine (from that other artwork), the evidence they are the shirt's reveal.. eh I just don't see it. I think if that was the reveal then Yoshida just made his shirts far less interesting to trust as big news. Shirts now could be introducing minor information. Especially given the situation they revealed Anima straight out already, a bigger deal than Magus sisters (making saving the shirts just for them seem even more, "are you trolling us?" If that was the case).

Although like I said maybe I missed some legendary aspect about them (perhaps there is a huge fan base out there, to me the Sisters are just goofy characters with minor background stories that have showed up a few times- nothing that interesting). Still seems of a leap over other options, imo.

As for the reaper part not sure where it is hard to imagine, except maybe for the fact it is called reaper? Of course they'd probably call it something else, especially if we're going with all this Middle Eastern / Indian influence (god of death for Indian's is Yama, Cindy in that art work, if that's Cindy, has an elephant head like Ganesh which is not a Yama feature), but the job concept of what a reaper does is noble and good (in the essence of order, duty of psychopomps).

When we are on a scythes, all I can think of is job related to Ran'jit.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Unfortunately Judge is already taken - it's what the GMs are (their gear is literally called 'Judge' gear - Yoshi's alter ego The Wandering Minstrel also wears the latter attire). This is further reinforced by how in the Garlean Empire the supreme commanders are called 'Legatus' not Judge (despite otherwise being FFXII's Judges in all but name).

Just like Onion gear practically precluding any Onion Knight job in the game, due to the GMs already taking Judge as theirs I don't see Judge appearing as a player Job alas.

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I hear their LB3 is The Ban Hammer.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Pretty sure the shirts are just hints at Magus Sisters..

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I would have to kinda agree on this. So his shirt is "Death" stating "I'll be here if you need me". So when you think of the magus sisters, they are an aeon or summon technically that you were able to use. This could fall in with the "I'll be here if you need me". As for "Death" itself we associate a scythe. Cindy uses a scythe. Also here is a snip of "lore" ---

"Magus Sisters may be a reference to the Moirai, often known in English as the Fates. The Moirai were the three incarnations of destiny—Clotho (spinner), Lachesis (allotter) and Atropos (literally 'unturnable' but metaphorically 'inflexible' or 'inevitable'—i.e. death)"

Also the Magus Sisters first appearance was FFIV. And what is Endwalker based off of heavily? FFIV. Where do you first fight the Magus Sisters? In the Tower of Zot or in FFXIV instance - one of the Spires that Fandaniel constructed. Although in FFIV it says the Tower of Zot is only accessible by the "Enterprise" because it is speculated to be floating in the sky (Or maybe on the moon?) As for the "Enterprise", in the Endwalker logo that "ship" or w/e it is that we see could be the "Enterprise" we use.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

As for the "Enterprise", in the Endwalker logo that "ship" or w/e it is that we see could be the "Enterprise" we use.

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You mean Cid's Enterprise Excelsior which is already the personal airship of the Scions?

I’m only interested in judge if it goes back to its roots in FFTA and we issue yellow and red cards to both our enemies and our own party members for breaking whatever law we feel like enforcing today.

Zenos used a physical melee skill and killed the WHM? He is now ejected from combat and sent to Moridion Gaol where he can sit and think about what he did.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I’m only interested in judge if it goes back to its roots in FFTA and we issue yellow and red cards to both our enemies and our own party members for breaking whatever law we feel like enforcing today.

Zenos used a physical melee skill and killed the WHM? He is now ejected from combat and sent to Moridion Gaol where he can sit and think about what he did.

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At the very least I would love if the cards were emotes.

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Originally Posted by MarlyMakara

You mean Cid's Enterprise Excelsior which is already the personal airship of the Scions?

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Technically, yes. However he keeps upgrading it or might make something brand new. So it might be possible we see something from the logo.

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You mean Cid's Enterprise Excelsior which is already the personal airship of the Scions?

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As of 5.4 we have a new airship to ourselves, complete with manacutters.

2:15 in the trailer announcement. Zenos is clearly holding a Scythe. Next class is Reaper.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Maybe it is just me but Magus sisters being added to the game literally adds nothing for me. It's not exciting news, or sort of news to care about, like Anima being added who is a big deal.

The artwork that may relate magus only makes me think of Ranjit like situation even more since one had an elephant, adding further to that whole Sanskrit potential situation and as you said furies (making a job that is in essence Charon even more likely, The Fates are not like Charon (and they don't guide souls, they weaved fate hence they were called the Fates) - so there isn't an issue that both exist, if anything it supports it since the reference material of Fates obviously has a Charon). Of course other than Charon there is also Thanatos, they have some overlap in duties sometimes (Charon more dedicated guide obviously lol).

Although like I said maybe I missed some legendary aspect about them (perhaps there is a huge fan base out there, to me the Sisters are just goofy characters with minor background stories that have showed up a few times- nothing that interesting). Still seems of a leap over other options, imo.

As for the reaper part not sure where it is hard to imagine, except maybe for the fact it is called reaper? Of course they'd probably call it something else, especially if we're going with all this Middle Eastern / Indian influence (god of death for Indian's is Yama, Cindy in that art work, if that's Cindy, has an elephant head like Ganesh which is not a Yama feature), but the job concept of what a reaper does is noble and good (in the essence of order, duty of psychopomps).

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I think this just comes down to you and I have a different opinion on things is all. You don’t think Magus Sisters are a big deal while I don’t think a one time summon in X is a big deal, The Sisters are a FF staple.

And to go off the Arabic ties more, one of them has an attack that is Arabic in name. Not only that, the Matanga are the beast tribe coming to the game, so Cindy showing elephant features I think is probably tied to them and not Ganesh. I think people are putting too much stock in this scythe for a new class is what I am getting at. We’ve never had an expansion in the game that showed a weapon or hint for the secondary classes in the initial teaser, and we haven’t had Yoshi hint the second class on his shirt that first time.

I feel like the player base is turning this into Scythewalker. Ranjit gets a scythe, Zenos has a scythe, Cindy has a scythe, the botanists all have scythes, the people who paid for scythe glamours from the mob stations get a scythe.

Are they just gonna change all the botanist weapons and refund the scythe glamours for the real life money considering they are so strict about nothing sharing a weapon?

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

I would have to kinda agree on this. So his shirt is "Death" stating "I'll be here if you need me". So when you think of the magus sisters, they are an aeon or summon technically that you were able to use. This could fall in with the "I'll be here if you need me". As for "Death" itself we associate a scythe. Cindy uses a scythe. Also here is a snip of "lore" ---

"Magus Sisters may be a reference to the Moirai, often known in English as the Fates. The Moirai were the three incarnations of destiny—Clotho (spinner), Lachesis (allotter) and Atropos (literally 'unturnable' but metaphorically 'inflexible' or 'inevitable'—i.e. death)"

Also the Magus Sisters first appearance was FFIV. And what is Endwalker based off of heavily? FFIV. Where do you first fight the Magus Sisters? In the Tower of Zot or in FFXIV instance - one of the Spires that Fandaniel constructed. Although in FFIV it says the Tower of Zot is only accessible by the "Enterprise" because it is speculated to be floating in the sky (Or maybe on the moon?) As for the "Enterprise", in the Endwalker logo that "ship" or w/e it is that we see could be the "Enterprise" we use.

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Not to mention “I’ll be here if you need me” could be tied to Hythlodaeus’ quote “In time of greatest need, should you wish upon it with all your heart, it will surely answer to your call”. Not Magus Sisters related, but the shirts hint at interesting things.

Except you're forgetting about Scarmiglione, who had just as much relevance if not a bit more in the same game and fits the reaper motif a lot more than the sisters do. So I think reaper/necromancer has a bit of a lead up over the sisters in so far as likelihood goes. Of course that doesn't mean much since we're all just spitballing at this point but eh, its still fun to guess.

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Except you're forgetting about Scarmiglione, who had just as much relevance if not a bit more in the same game and fits the reaper motif a lot more than the sisters do. So I think reaper/necromancer has a bit of a lead up over the sisters in so far as likelihood goes. Of course that doesn't mean much since we're all just spitballing at this point but eh, its still fun to guess.

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Yeah I don't think the idea that Cindy was represented with an Indian remix is too outlandish in that one artwork released (the image in question gives a Ganesh like appearance), but given so many variables I don't think the T-shirts represented the sisters. Because it would be ONE sister... to represent all three are coming, and the sisters are coming is not really a major announcement... especially since they were only part of one archfiend's minions (so its announcing the shadow of the toe of the giant). That they are coming makes sense to be a teaser in a side image (which it might be given the current situation), but not as some sort of main tease (not shirt worthy info).

If the T-shirt was the 3 fates then it would be probably be far more "D'oh, of course". Also Death Fate (of the three Fates, Atropos) is not a reaper, she is not best represented by that idea (Reaper doesn't, stereotypically, determine who dies they have the power over death but they use that for order and to guide souls- Reapers, Thantos, Charon, stuff like that are psychopomps and the Fates, Death Fate included, are not psychopomps.. They are Fates.. because they determine... FATE lol). Thanatos, if we had to go greek, would be the peaceful reaper, or Charon in the more sense of guiding spirits as a full time job lol.

Guiding spirits also being entirely friendly to the WoL wheelhouse of lore. I can't see anyone who was anti necro (because of lore issues, which there are some) being like "NO WE CANT HAVE A JOB DEDICATED TO GUIDING SOULS" lol. It's a noble, important, and ultimately to be seen as either good or neutral task.

It also goes in some line with the last major magic type introduced in ShB (creation magic and soul magic, the npc that used soul magic also happening to turn very nefarious looking when they started to do their attack actions - even though they're a good 'guy').

For the fun of the Ranjit concept Ranjit is inspired by Golbez and another guy, Golbez being the leader of the Archfiends. Ranjit trumps sisters.. :P. But honestly I just imagine Ranjit being part of the key inspiration, not saying it's literally his job.

Or what I'm thinking, just as a "hah" moment for Zenos. Is he is, per the in game lore: "is possessed of but a single passion: to stand on the front lines, blade in hand, and dance with death.". How great that he gets to actually dance with a Reaper? Name up for influence, lots of names for psychopomps. Dancing with Cindy just sounds silly :p.

I also feel it could make a wild turning point in our trailer if the Paladin goes Reaper, inverse Cecil- a nice turn on the influences that this expansion is clearly wielding.

I mean.. I guess it /could/ be a sister announcement but that just sounds so very off compared to all the other options possible. Comparing announcing the sisters to Viera seems also a bit off given that sisters are not really that big of a deal meanwhile getting Viera was pretty important to many people.

The concept of psychopomp, again what a reaper is, is why I'm not really sold it references a Judge. Although I would say Judge armor is neat lol, and you probably could make a neat Judge combat job. But I imagine they'd not use a scythe if we were going full imagery here, more like a flail or a huge bludgeon weapon. Of course a lot of these thoughts are all coming from us thinking the weapon will 100% for sure being a scythe... XD. That could be leading us all astray.

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So I been grinding and just playing The southern warfront, I see the new relic gear and it makes us all look like Judges An iconic and very bad ass job now My brain kinda Clicked and looking at Yoshis shirt We see a grim reaper and people jumped on Necro and all that but Listen follow me on this one The grim reaper does what? He judges whether it is your time to die or not correct?

Could Judge be the next heavy Maiming job?!?!?! it fits right?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

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Oh no! The dreaded yellow card!

https://i.imgur.com/EnhvWKI.png

I don't get the people still saying necromancer. During the reveal, Yoshida and Koji Fox said that so far no one was close to guessing what the new jobs would be (as evident when Sage was revealed) and were specifically making jokes about necromancer after saying that.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

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The difference between the Bugs shirt and the CoB shirt is that bugs was hinting at a race that a lot of people were requesting while this shirt would be hinting at only a summon. Yea summon can be exciting but yoshi-p has never hinted at a summon as a shirt before so there's no reason to assume he would now.

We have had a expansion in game that hinted at a weapon before it was shown it was shadow bringers with thancreds gunblade, We didn't know what it was exactly but it was shown. We've also never had them have to cancel all three fanfests before because of a pandemic. Without the pandemic we might have already known what the second job is if not we would have known by the end of this month what it was so yoshi-p hinting at the second job now makes sense since there are only gonna be 2 events, the one we just had and the one in may. If anything the concept art is a hint that they will be the boss of that dungeon.

If they have to get rid of scythes for a new scythe job they would have to also get rid of hatchets since we already have an axe job WAR.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Not to mention “I’ll be here if you need me” could be tied to Hythlodaeus’ quote “In time of greatest need, should you wish upon it with all your heart, it will surely answer to your call”. Not Magus Sisters related, but the shirts hint at interesting things.

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We kinda already used that quote in 5.3 when we were sent to the chrysalis and called hades to get us back to fight Elidibus so there's no reason to hint at it again. Which add's more credence to the Death/reaper related job

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Originally Posted by Rymi64

We kinda already used that quote in 5.3 when we were sent to the chrysalis and called hades to get us back to fight Elidibus so there's no reason to hint at it again. Which add's more credence to the Death/reaper related job

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We are the fourteenth, The Seat of Azem. We are travelers of the stars. I don't think anything in here would "Hint" at a death/reaper related job.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Azem

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

We are the fourteenth, The Seat of Azem. We are travelers of the stars. I don't think anything in here would "Hint" at a death/reaper related job.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Azem

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Now I'm doing this to "reach" but just for the sake of it since you said you can't see anything.

Hades - ruler of the underworld
Azem - charon / thanatos, friend to Hades.

It's freaking perfect lol.

To carry that on, there are mentions of traveling far and wide, to catch them al... wait wrong line, traveling far and wide and being a shepherd. Repears, or to refer generically psychopomps, would well fit within that as shepherd travelers. Reapers are travelers and shepherds, guiding lost souls. Although if we were going for greek gods I might talk about Nyx, mother to those Fates and Thanatos, linking Azem to Charon is a bit harder than to suggest Nyx.

A symbol of Nyx is stars on the black.

"Herein I commit the chronicle of the traveler. Shepherd to the stars in the dark. . . . " -Azem

Stars in the dark.. souls? REAPER!?!?!

"ALIENS!"

lol. Like I said I did some reaching for you, so if you call it that I'll accept, but you said you couldn't see anything and maybe now you can see potential hints here and there? :p

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lol. Like I said I did some reaching for you, so if you call it that I'll accept, but you said you couldn't see anything and maybe now you can see potential hints here and there? :p

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The problem with associating events that take place in ShB as having to do with the new job, is that this job will be available to ALL at level 70. Sage, like SAM, RDM, GNB, and DNC can be started 20 levels under cap from a city zone available to all without having to worry about progress in the MSQ. I don't see why the 2nd of the new jobs would be any different. The quest NPC for the job will also be in ARR zones for the 70-80 quests and won't be attached to anything that directly ties into the MSQ. I don't think SE will be giving up the twist to players who have outsped the level requirements or who choose to start ShB as one of the new jobs.

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We are the fourteenth, The Seat of Azem. We are travelers of the stars. I don't think anything in here would "Hint" at a death/reaper related job.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Azem

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I'm talking about the shirt not the quote

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The problem with associating events that take place in ShB as having to do with the new job, is that this job will be available to ALL at level 70. Sage, like SAM, RDM, GNB, and DNC can be started 20 levels under cap from a city zone available to all without having to worry about progress in the MSQ. I don't see why the 2nd of the new jobs would be any different. The quest NPC for the job will also be in ARR zones for the 70-80 quests and won't be attached to anything that directly ties into the MSQ. I don't think SE will be giving up the twist to players who have outsped the level requirements or who choose to start ShB as one of the new jobs.

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Not really though. . . The job doesn't have to strongly tie into Azem's lore like some sort of canonical "this is Azem's job, you're doing LITERALLY the job he had", some other culture can teach it. I was merely pointing out how Azem could have some traits that point, ish, to psychopomps. Although if working with Azem directly I'd want to talk about Nyx rather than something lower like Charon. Especially since Nyx can have some relation to the moon, has even more interesting tidbits of lore and implications to the relation to Hades (and the other 'gods'), and then which adds even further layers of O.o o.O?!

It's not like you'd just call the job "Nyx" "Thanatos" or something, and then have people draw super direct comparisons to Hades when they get to that point in the story. Like how you can see Summoner magic is really creation magic but you don't ruin the creation magic plot bit later in the game by doing it at level 30.

IF (huge if) say this was true (Azem is a soul shepherd in a sense, which kind of fits really, given his special is to call friends from afar), then if SE wanted to label a job with that power as a manifestation of Azem they could do that much later when it was safe to do so. It doesn't ruin anything so long as you.. just do it right.

Your issue would be an issue if SE was hyper blatant about it, so... don't be.. lol. Then again the point of the post you quoted was I just wanted to say if you 'wanted' Azem could have hints of a psychopompth-like nature.

Also as Rymi64 points out they weren't trying to say the quote will come around to be used again, more that the quote was already used and to kind of extract it from the conversation as a resource point.

So really I'm just here having a blast connecting dots everywhere and seeding chaos (get it.. Nyx.. chaos.. eh..eh okay bad joke), because.. wEEeweeeEEEeee. Although I still think the shirts have nothing to do with magus, that just seems like a terrible use of 'shirt power'. Especially since we've already decent hints at such a concept, if it is one, via the Ganesh-Cindy a part of another art work.

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Now I'm doing this to "reach" but just for the sake of it since you said you can't see anything.

Hades - ruler of the underworld
Azem - charon / thanatos, friend to Hades.

It's freaking perfect lol.

To carry that on, there are mentions of traveling far and wide, to catch them al... wait wrong line, traveling far and wide and being a shepherd. Repears, or to refer generically psychopomps, would well fit within that as shepherd travelers. Reapers are travelers and shepherds, guiding lost souls. Although if we were going for greek gods I might talk about Nyx, mother to those Fates and Thanatos, linking Azem to Charon is a bit harder than to suggest Nyx.

A symbol of Nyx is stars on the black.

"Herein I commit the chronicle of the traveler. Shepherd to the stars in the dark. . . . " -Azem

Stars in the dark.. souls? REAPER!?!?!

"ALIENS!"

lol. Like I said I did some reaching for you, so if you call it that I'll accept, but you said you couldn't see anything and maybe now you can see potential hints here and there? :p

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You mentioning psycopomps reminds me of the 1.0 gridania opening where yda thinks you're a psycopomp

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You mentioning psycopomps reminds me of the 1.0 gridania opening where yda thinks you're a psycopomp

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O_O........

For real?

I don't recall this- it's been sooooo long lol. But wow if that's the case.

Maybe it's the next job theme maybe it's not the job, but I'm calling some Nyx, Charon, Thantos (Nyx is the mother of those two, and others like the sister Fates- lol), level inspiration for our character then. It's my official fan cannon in so much that it may have influenced the game's underpinnings. Not sure if they'd ever draw it out that far, maybe someone may gripe about being made inspired by a female titan goddess (lame on them lol) or whatever.. but just thinking about it. Feels not bad to blanket over things as a window dressing.

Azem is a psychopomp. Definitely feels like a 'could be', at least inspired, situation.


Edit, like second search result on google:

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Papalymo: "Where are we? Near Gridania you think?"
Yda: "The quiet, the calm, the beautiful flowers. There's only one place it could be!"
Yda: "The great beyond! I do believe we're dead Papalymo!"
Papalymo: "Oh Rhalgr take you and your great beyond!"
Yda (noticing the player): "See? Look, here's a psychopomp come to guide us along!"
Papalymo (noticing a pack of wolves advancing on them): "And what would that make them? Your dearly departed childhood pets come to play fetch?!"

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Thanks Enkidoh lol.

So yeah we were actually mistaken as a spirit guide before, also is a word the game has used before, psychopomp, which is what a reaper is. Not to say it certainly is that, could be we just stumbled onto some Azem inspiration that unrelated to the new job, or I've got some of the finest magic grass in all the shire.

/shrug, but it's fun! :D

FF14 x Hades

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O_O........

For real?

I don't recall this- it's been sooooo long lol. But wow if that's the case.

Maybe it's the next job theme maybe it's not the job, but I'm calling some Nyx, Charon, Thantos (Nyx is the mother of those two, and others like the sister Fates- lol), level inspiration for our character then. It's my official fan cannon in so much that it may have influenced the game's underpinnings. Not sure if they'd ever draw it out that far, maybe someone may gripe about being made inspired by a female titan goddess (lame on them lol) or whatever.. but just thinking about it. Feels not bad to blanket over things as a window dressing.

Azem is a psychopomp. Definitely feels like a 'could be', at least inspired, situation.


Edit, like second search result on google:



Thanks Enkidoh lol.

So yeah we were actually mistaken as a spirit guide before, also is a word the game has used before, psychopomp, which is what a reaper is. Not to say it certainly is that, could be we just stumbled onto some Azem inspiration that unrelated to the new job, or I've got some of the finest magic grass in all the shire.

/shrug, but it's fun! :D

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HAHAHA!! Oh wow, and to think as I was reading the first part of your post I was literally about to reply with that very quote, only to scroll further and see you'd already quoted one I had prepared earlier!. :p Hehe

Either way, good job digging that up! Thanks for that. :D

It should be pointed out though, that the Gridanian opening in 1.0 (and hell, the other two city state openings as well), were all in the Echo, showing events from ten years earlier when the Archons first arrived in Eorzea under direction from Louisoix, so it might not count (also, Yda was something of a scatterbrain, something shared with her sister, and that whole scene was pretty much just to underline that, and wasn't indicative of anything more than "Yda is being Yda again" ;)).

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HAHAHA!! Oh wow, and to think as I was reading the first part of your post I was literally about to reply with that very quote, only to scroll further and see you'd quoted one I had prepared earlier!. :p Thanks for that. :D

It should be pointed out though, that the Gridanian opening in 1.0 (and hell, the other two city state openings as well), were all in the Echo, showing events from ten years earlier when the Archons first arrived in Eorzea under direction from Louisoix, so it might not count (also, Yda was something of a scatterbrain, something shared with her sister, and that whole scene was pretty much just to underline that, and wasn't indicative of anything more than "Yda is being Yda again" ;)).

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Also indeed.. There is a bit of hot air in the engine I'm using right now (with help of Rymi and your old post lol), but I generally have good time with the whole greek stuff so it's fun to use anyways. I feel like it totally 'could' be of importance, or it could just be a funny alignment and a good time conspiracy theory.

The effort they put into some of the other strings that tie into 5.0 is only part of the reason why I'm okay playing cat's cradle over here though, since they've shown they're capable of thinking as wild as that. Also adds extra fun to our relationship with Hades if we've some extra greek influence ourselves.

From what I have read so far, the names dropped are : Reaper, Necromancer, Assassin, Beastmaster, Templar, Corsair, Hunter.

Another theory I have could be related to Bozja.

For the healers, we have the Essence of the Elder which is called Essence du Sage in French.
So maybe, Duelist which is Duelliste in French could be the name of the next melee job.
But a Duelist with a Scyth seems weird, I don't know.

Throwing my hat with "Specter" / Shinigami However...

From a lore perspective, we had a LOT of death. And from the looks of things in 6.0 the body count is going to explode. I think we become the people that guide the dead to the after life in the job quests and quell bad demons. Demon/Shadow/Shade Hunter would sound cooler than Specter, and we could use some more paranormal content in the game, the Edda sidequest up to the end of PotD was pretty cool. The dead transform into hideous abominations that we have to quell to "free" their souls. Seems about as FFXIV as I can think of.

Also the potential drama that would unfold of we, the WoL, run into some lowly NPC we killed or a friendly NPC we couldn't save...

As the "however" part... it could just be Beastmaster, and the grim reaper shirts were just a red herring. XIV's take on the job. There could be two types of beast masters, ones who hunt (scythe). Others who tame and train (and wield small axes).

A recent interview with Yoshi P has shed some light on the job development process (and is interesting in general, worth a read)

https://www.impulsegamer.com/naoki-y...vs-lore-story/

The pertinent part is right here

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For jobs that form a large part of the player’s game experience, we conceive them upon placing greater importance on the game experience rather than the story. This is because any constraints relating to the story would be detrimental to the game experience. As such, even though the Warrior of Light’s job changes in the movies for each expansion’s story, we don’t necessarily put the new jobs in the spotlight. For Shadowbringers I had requested Dark Knight in order to depict the pivotal role as Warrior of Darkness. In contrast, the new Gunbreaker and Dancer jobs for Shadowbringers were decided upon after I discussed with the battle system team, and we opted to incorporate new jobs for balancing battles, which adequately addressed requests from players.

So, we actually decide the job first and then devise the story so that it fits well within the game’s universe. Each of FFXIV’s elements are not necessarily determined based on a single direction but instead differ depending on whether we wish to place importance on the story experience or alternately the game experience. Of course, I am very grateful that the battle team, who have the first say, kindly consider the mood of the expansion and story direction when reviewing the possibilities for new jobs.

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So jobs are decided upon from a gameplay perspective first and then are back-filled to fit the lore and story of the game (which explains why no Gunbreakers besides players and Thancred show up on The First). So for speculation, "story-sense" is low on the totem pole of consideration.

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Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

A recent interview with Yoshi P has shed some light on the job development process (and is interesting in general, worth a read)

https://www.impulsegamer.com/naoki-y...vs-lore-story/

The pertinent part is right here



So jobs are decided upon from a gameplay perspective first and then are back-filled to fit the lore and story of the game (which explains why no Gunbreakers besides players and Thancred show up on The First). So for speculation, "story-sense" is low on the totem pole of consideration.

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All things considered i could care less about the name is everyone feeling like it will use a scythe? This job is singlehandedly pulling me out of retirement

Has anyone else thought about the PR nightmare that would happen if they tried to push out a Scythe wielding reaper anything during a global pandemic with millions dead?