the only way to save the game (aka my wish never to come true)

In my opinion the only way to save the game is to completely redesign it. BUT you don't need to look so far for ideas how to rebuilt it. All you would need to do is ditch all the oh so new and great ideas and completely copy FFXI's current gameplay. ADMIT IT YOU WANT IT! Since most of the casual gamers who were the target group for this "new" and "innovative" type of gameplay (mess) we are dealing with now already left for most parts anyway. (and most likely will never return) So just give the FF fans what they want with better graphics. Just take the whole battlesystem etc. and put it into a new world.
You wouldn't even have to make up something new there. Just make the game part of the Ivalice Alliance or something alike and you would have a complete, highly expandable world setting with a working system which everyone who is willing to pay would love. (Just think of the racial options and so on but I am drifting off imagining a really wonderful game.. AND SO DO YOU ADMIT IT.)
Since FFXI always was a steady goldmine why not get everyone back and keep the money flowing instead of trying to appeal to and turn over all the WoW-loving morons.
Too bad I'm asking for the impossible: shut down the servers, completely ditch the game (heck I would even say its okay and donate you the money I paid for my copy if SE could pull off a game like I described) and make the game every ff fan would love.(which would take years again..)
Ah well.. the things that could have been..
I am prepared for the incoming s-storm of "troll go back blah blah" from ppl who want to justify the money or time they spent on obvious ... well whatever you wanna call 14. But I don't really care anyway, just wanted to share my idea, maybe there are other ppl who would like to play a part of the series they used to be fans of. To everyone else still defending the current mess: enjoy your leve quests on copypasted terrain and grind without content

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just stop playing if u dnt like it....

funny you talk about the new fans that came in already gone. all of the players that i brought in to the game are still here minus 1. most have no mmo experience and would not get into the xi system. there is a reason i dropped xi quickly after i got it, but even is this bad state this game it is in i still enjoy it more than xi.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

funny you talk about the new fans that came in already gone. all of the players that i brought in to the game are still here minus 1. most have no mmo experience and would not get into the xi system. there is a reason i dropped xi quickly after i got it, but even is this bad state this game it is in i still enjoy it more than xi.

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maybe true, but you plus some guys minus 1 do not pay as much as XI's fanbase

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Originally Posted by Krikwan

just stop playing if u dnt like it....

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From all the FFXIV forums both this one and others it should be common knowledge that you cannot just leave a mmo when you do not like it, you have to make at least 300 post on at least 4 different forums about how bad it is once you are at the 300 mark you are legally able by western mmo law to quit the game.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

From all the FFXIV forums both this one and others it should be common knowledge that you cannot just leave a mmo when you do not like it, you have to make at least 300 post on at least 4 different forums about how bad it is once you are at the 300 mark you are legally able by western mmo law to quit the game.

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lol So true.

I don't really understand people's mentality... I played and quit both DCUO and Rifts recently, without making any dramatic hate posts about how bad the games were. I really hate the last generation of parents... they really sucked at teaching their kids anything useful.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

From all the FFXIV forums both this one and others it should be common knowledge that you cannot just leave a mmo when you do not like it, you have to make at least 300 post on at least 4 different forums about how bad it is once you are at the 300 mark you are legally able by western mmo law to quit the game.

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this has nothing to do with posting or not and I have quit already, yeah. It's just kinda sad seeing a series you always liked (after years of anticipation) go down the gutter when sticking to the basics could've saved so much.. but that's a question of taste I guess

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Originally Posted by farancell

maybe true, but you plus some guys minus 1 do not pay as much as XI's fanbase

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and xi fanbase is not as big as the other mmo's out there. the point is se is trying to reach out to the larger portion of the overall mmo base. that group is much bigger than what xi was able to bring in. i understand alot of people loved xi and that is exactly the kind of game they wanted, but se realized there was a much bigger overall demographic so went towards that group. sure it did not work on first try, but i have faith they will make the adjustments to get a larger base than xi had.

if those adjustments go the opposite direction of the way i want to see it go i will leave without causing drama because se is doing what's best for se. to make a long story short se cares about making money and getting the biggest base it can whether i or anyone else likes that direction we are only a small dot on a large graph.

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Originally Posted by farancell

Since FFXI always was a steady goldmine why not get everyone back and keep the money flowing instead of trying to appeal to and turn over all the WoW-loving morons.

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Would love to play some FFXI I played that game for litteraly over 24,000 hrs (about 1000 RL days of game time since the NA release), you can say i was extremely hardcore waking up at 3-5am to kill things, never missing an event if didn't have class or work. I loved that game, unfortunately that game is gone.

But if you have not noticed SE has dealt a death blow to that game with Abysea, it destroyed over 90% of the games content and SE continues to nerf it more and more and as they do more and more people I knew who where sticking with it are quiting. SE removed all the challenge, all the feeling of accomplishment, all the pride of building a strong linkshell, the drive to get better gear and to improve your linkshell to take down hard mobs. Everything that was FFXI is gone it is now as shallow as WoW is. And the population of that game is reflecting it, 2 mergers in 1 year that game is bleeding subs about as fast as FFXIV is atm Fenrir at prime went from 1800 a night to about 600-800 a night as of last Sept. in a year that is about a 60% drop of a servers population.

I would play FFXI only if they rolled back servers to last June and scrap the whole abysea idea and add a expansion that does not massacre everything the game stood for.

FFXI will die no matter if FFXIV lives or not there is literally nothing to do in that game after a short time... you can beat the game and get the best gear in about 2 months now, If FFXIV lives at least we have 1 mmo, if it falls all we have is World of Warcraft left... or the Rift expansion made by another company.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Would love to play some FFXI I played that game for litteraly over 24,000 hrs (about 1000 RL days of game time since the NA release), you can say i was extremely hardcore waking up at 3-5am to kill things, never missing an event if didn't have class or work.

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good ol' 11 like I remember it. now give me that coated in 14's graphics and different setting and I would've been sold, like so many others. But like darkstarpoet1 explained they went different ways. Should've just sticked to what's working and have the money flowing. (even if it's less than they aimed for in their failed ambitions.)

If i wanted it I would be subscribed to xi.

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Would love to play some FFXI I played that game for litteraly over 24,000 hrs (about 1000 RL days of game time since the NA release), you can say i was extremely hardcore waking up at 3-5am to kill things, never missing an event if didn't have class or work. I loved that game, unfortunately that game is gone.

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man there was a warning at the beginning of the game telling you not to play that much...

No one cares about the opinion of someone with so few posts! BEGONE!

Edit: Unless it is a good positive opinion, then please share ^^

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Originally Posted by farancell

good ol' 11 like I remember it. now give me that coated in 14's graphics and different setting and I would've been sold, like so many others. But like darkstarpoet1 explained they went different ways. Should've just sticked to what's working and have the money flowing. (even if it's less than they aimed for in their failed ambitions.)

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oh yeah tons of people loved xi and i'm not saying it was a bad game at all. i just believe their biggest problem was that it was released in the horrid state it was released in.

to me the game in its current condition would be equal to alot of games still in the 1st beta stage. the stage where they are just starting to add content and listen to its fanbase on what they would like to see. i have a feeling after the next few updates if they do happen to add some major content in along with the fixes the game will finally be to the point people expected on release day. people do not want endless grinding with no rewards or having to figure out what part of the game they want to do. i love having the freedom to build up my main, but not being forced to because there is literally nothing else to do.

even if they get the next few patches and some updates this game will have a long way to go to be the game we expect from the makers of the final fantasy series. i mean geez how dare you have a final fantasy with no cid.....chocobos.....airship.....summons.....dangerous boss fights.....captivating story?

Only way to save the game is to let me be CEO FOOOlsss!!!

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Originally Posted by farancell

good ol' 11 like I remember it. now give me that coated in 14's graphics and different setting and I would've been sold, like so many others. But like darkstarpoet1 explained they went different ways. Should've just sticked to what's working and have the money flowing. (even if it's less than they aimed for in their failed ambitions.)

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You didn't realize how flawed XI's game design is? If they would have released it that way FFXIV would not have done much better at release. The metacritic score probably would be what 60/100? Hell if that... SE then would have only spent millions of dollars just to transfer people from XI(which isn't much). That would have been a greater fall than XIV is experiencing now. Why? because at least this game can make a turn around with potential to grab millions... Something XI's rusted design never had a chance at doing once WoW hit...

The only thing they should have done was salvage the goods XI did have.

What is this, the 37th thread created asking for FFXI-2? This has been rehashed to death.

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this = win

I played FFXI for over 7 years. I prefer XIV as it is for the most part. I do agree it needs some more things to link it to the FF series as a whole but not specifically FFXI.

Aw mans OP, you tricked me.

Thought Yoshi-P found a working DeLorean with flux capacitor, took FFXIV's progress from today, sped up to 88 mph in Tokyo drifting streets, had a high level black mage cast Thundaga for the 1.21 gigawatts, traveled back in time, and handed Squenix the data before alpha testing.

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Aw mans OP, you tricked me.

Thought Yoshi-P found a working DeLorean with flux capacitor, took FFXIV's progress from today, sped up to 88 mph in Tokyo drifting streets, had a high level black mage cast Thundaga for the 1.21 gigawatts, traveled back in time, and handed Squenix the data before alpha testing.

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That would be like time espionage.

its 1.21 Jigawatts ... not Giga ...

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What is this, the 37th thread created asking for FFXI-2? This has been rehashed to death.

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Rowyne don't you know the general policy is to beat the horse violently to death, then beat it while it's dead for a few weeks, then have a nice funeral for it where people recall the good things horse did and how he'd always donate so much of his horse time to horse charity work and how involved he was in the horse community and then slowly lower horse's casket into the ground with a tearful goodbye remembering all the good times, then waiting a month or two and exhuming horse's dead rotting carcass so you can resume beating it until passers by see the horrible thing you've done by digging up the dead horse's body to beat it (that is until they realize they also want to beat the dead horse)...

I can't believe I clicked on this thread thinking it would be an idea that hasn't already been beaten like a baby seal with alcoholic parents.

I'm honestly convinced people that make these threads aren't really interested in improving the game. He only wants to hear himself talk.

Graphics can't be the only thinjg keeping him from playing ffxi, or he'd be doing it already.

On another note, perhaps the forums should be open to those that are paying their subscriptions, once payment comes into being?

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I'm honestly convinced people that make these threads aren't really interested in improving the game. He only wants to hear himself talk.

Graphics can't be the only thinjg keeping him from playing ffxi, or he'd be doing it already.

On another note, perhaps the forums should be open to those that are paying their subscriptions, once payment comes into being?

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It is already like that. you must have an active game account to post.

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It is already like that. you must have an active game account to post.

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Oh good, perhaps we can see a cutdown on quitter commentators when the subscriptions come forth.

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Originally Posted by farancell

shut down the servers, completely ditch the game (heck I would even say its okay and donate you the money I paid for my copy if SE could pull off a game like I described) and make the game every ff fan would love.(which would take years again..)

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Ok... So you want SE to kill the current game OR you quit?

LOL WHAT?

This guy is asking for a copy paste of his old FFXI cuz he doesnt feel his crack rush from getting his drops. I for one am very happy with the direction FFXIV is going.

OBVIOUSLY THIS GUY WASNT IN FFXI ON RELEASE. because kid, it had WAY LESS features than FFXIV , this is just SE's way of prereleasing its game before completition, if u were paying any attention in FFXI u would have noticed they did this with ALL their expansions, prereleased unfinished content(THEY EVEN RELEASED SCENARIOES WHEN WOTG WAS UNFINISHED) now my whole point here is, get used to SE's unfinished business & you can count on major changes coming up, its already in the development section. MAJOR CHANGES as in core gameplay & class system. just look it up. As for FFXI that is ancient history, dead & gone, just because you don't understand a revolution does not mean it isn't for the better good. everyone who was there from the start in FFXI knows its been through rough patches IE HUGE economic turmoil etc etc bots etc... missing content & the list can go on! there is always issues at hand the problem is people like you are just impatient. Grow some virtues...

Besides, i think the vast majority of us are here for the communities anyways.

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From all the FFXIV forums both this one and others it should be common knowledge that you cannot just leave a mmo when you do not like it, you have to make at least 300 post on at least 4 different forums about how bad it is once you are at the 300 mark you are legally able by western mmo law to quit the game.

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I think you'll find that this doesn't just hold true for MMORPGs. In fact, it doesn't hold true for just video games, either. No, it holds true for all products and services. If you create a product or service that does not measure up to people's expectations, then you create detractors, or people who warn others to avoid that product or service.

I recently read a blog post that talked about exactly this. Here's an excerpt:

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What happens when your expectations are not met? How do you feel when a product or service doesn’t live up to the marketing or sales hype? Are you likely to recommend a product that fell short of your expectations?

So much of the “word of mouth” recommendation cycle is based on products or services meeting or exceeding personal expectations. Meet my expectations or just give me what I want, and I may or may not recommend your product. I have become a Passive, in Net Promoter® terms.

However, if you exceed my expectations, give me something that I didn’t expect and make me feel that you value me as a customer, then I will sing your praises to all my friends and family. You’ve made me a Promoter.

Fail to live up to my expectations and I will quickly become a Detractor. I will feel disappointed, cheated and even angry if your product or service doesn’t meet my standards. I won’t be buying a second time and I certainly won’t give you a recommendation. In fact, I may even warn my friends to stay away from whatever it is you have to offer.

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The full blog post can be read here:

http://promotersrecommend.com/2010/1...romoter-score/

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From all the FFXIV forums both this one and others it should be common knowledge that you cannot just leave a mmo when you do not like it, you have to make at least 300 post on at least 4 different forums about how bad it is once you are at the 300 mark you are legally able by western mmo law to quit the game.

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LOL +1! Great, now I have to hang out around the Aion forums spewing bile until I hit 300 posts :P. Unfortunately for some people, even after 300 posts they still don't leave.

The only way to save the game is implementing chocobos and airships. :V

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

lol So true.

I don't really understand people's mentality... I played and quit both DCUO and Rifts recently, without making any dramatic hate posts about how bad the games were. I really hate the last generation of parents... they really sucked at teaching their kids anything useful.

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lawl.

I'm sure I'll indulge in playing 14 no matter which path they take it on. In part, because I am a huge fanboy of the series. Of course I will enjoy it less, should it go down the path of a watered down, kid friendly, sellout to a higher demographic game.

***whispers***
sellouts