why do you get relic upgrade materials from crystal tower?

Those raids are overstuffed on on the alliance roulette as it is, now ppl are going to be getting them constantly, why couldn't you give the level 60 or 70 raids some exposure, i'm fed up of running syrcus tower for the 100th time.

Guess alliance roulette will be getting an influx of nudists

I'm... Confused why they didn't do something like the HW 24-mans. Those are almost non-existent on the Roulette. If you suggest there's some lore reason.... Doing HW 60 dungeons/Leveling Roulette and fates in HW areas weren't exactly much with lore to begin with.

Rumours say 2and Step requires Mhach and Ivalice.

Yeah, from what I've seen the 2nd step tokens drop from Mhach and Ivalice raids, but with the alternative option to... farm Stormblood fates.

SE knows its the least seen raid and again, we get to farm it. Earlier relics involved CT many times too. And I dont want to understand why they lock the relic behind the most boring content in FFXIV. Lets not forget all the new gauges, skills and abilities are locked, unusable. The most zzz-relic grind up to date.

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

Yeah, from what I've seen the 2nd step tokens drop from Mhach and Ivalice raids, but with the alternative option to... farm Stormblood fates.

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Tbh I'd take the fates over doing some of the Ivalice raids, as much as I like them (espically the last one) they are pretty long. If HW ones I could deal with Void Ark.
But hey if it gets them to pop more often for people then that's good.

It's horrible actually. 15 crystal tower runs PER relic. CEs over in Bozja only have a CHANCE at dropping ONE memory. You are better off spamming crystal tower raids. People are gonna be in there for a LONG time.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's horrible actually. 15 crystal tower runs PER relic. CEs over in Bozja only have a CHANCE at dropping ONE memory. You are better off spamming crystal tower raids. People are gonna be in there for a LONG time.

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Bruh
So it went from "handing you the weapon almost for free" back to "soulcrushing grind"
There's this concept called "healty middle ground" Yoshida, ever heard of it?

Is it really a "soul-crushing grind" though? Get a couple a day and you are done in a week.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's horrible actually. 15 crystal tower runs PER relic. CEs over in Bozja only have a CHANCE at dropping ONE memory. You are better off spamming crystal tower raids. People are gonna be in there for a LONG time.

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Yup, if you want all the relics it'll be 255 runs of crystal tower, because it's not a guaranteed drop in Bozja it's more efficient if you just spam the one alliance raid over and over.

This is just step 1 of 3
If the other 2 steps work with similar drop rates, then yes
(18 tokens each from mhach/gyr abania fates and Ivalice/orthard fates for step 2. 15 tokens from the new reginae raid or potd for step 3)

Yeah, so it's looking like:

255 Runs of Crystal Tower
612 Stormblood Fates

Remains to be seen if the final token is a guaranteed drop from the new raid. Otherwise, I forsee a lot of POTD in my future.

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Originally Posted by Xiomara

Yeah, so it's looking like:

255 Runs of Crystal Tower
612 Stormblood Fates

Remains to be seen if the final token is a guaranteed drop from the new raid. Otherwise, I forsee a lot of POTD in my future.

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That isn't even to mention the armor!

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Originally Posted by Xiomara

Yeah, so it's looking like:

255 Runs of Crystal Tower
612 Stormblood Fates

Remains to be seen if the final token is a guaranteed drop from the new raid. Otherwise, I forsee a lot of POTD in my future.

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If this is the best the FFXIV dev team has to offer, requiring 5 year old content (for the "alternate path") or pray to RNG Gods to get current gear, I am officially out of this relic.

This is ridiculous.

Crafters have to make expert recipes, the third or fourth hardest level 80 recipe in the game for their relic.

Battle classes run level 50 crystal tower.

Haha..

CT again -__- It can't be more boring.
And no guaranted drop from CEs.
At this point, it's pretty obvious that SE doesn't want us in Bozja.
I'm so tired of this.

What's next? 50 MSQ roulettes ?

Lol, this is what happens when people complain about not wanting the relic to be tied to its own content and needing to be "casual friendly".

I am good. I don't need the relic. There is higher ilvl weapons with better stats than that thing.

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Originally Posted by Steviejd

Is it really a "soul-crushing grind" though?

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I think having to set foot in Crystal Tower at all qualifies for soul crushing. I don't know why SE is so focused on making people run what could be one of the worst sets of content in the entire game. It's not even like people were avoiding it.

The other option is to not rush the weapon, just have the quest active and collect tokens when alliance roulette throws you into CT - which is most of the time.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I am good. I don't need the relic. There is higher ilvl weapons with better stats than that thing.

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Right now. Another stage yet. It’s probably going to end up being the BIS or at least the best weapon that can be obtained by most players.

I understand if content is meant to be lasting. I actually support this, since many previous steps can be done... rather fast and without hassle.
But this content isnt FAIR and nor really REWARDING. Critical Engagements are already "rare" and dont pop every so often. I dont see why the droprate cannot be 100% like a 20min CT2 run.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Lol, this is what happens when people complain about not wanting the relic to be tied to its own content and needing to be "casual friendly".

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Still a walk in the park compared to the pre-nerf HW relics, or heck the ARR relics though I was never around for their release.

Besides, the relics are still tied to their own content since you have to do Bozja and Castrum and the new 24 man raid to get to the point where you can grind the alliance raids, so your point is moot.

I'd rather chalk it up to devs not knowing what they're doing and making both sides unhappy

It is tied to Bozja though as you can't start the new relic quest unless you've completed the previous Bozja quests which means getting to level 10 in there and doing the Castrum.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

It is tied to Bozja though as you can't start the new relic quest unless you've completed the previous Bozja quests which means getting to level 10 in there and doing the Castrum.

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Castrum AND the new one actually. I don't think the new one is very new player friendly either, but I think people will be running this one for a decent while yet.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Still a walk in the park compared to the pre-nerf HW relics, or heck the ARR relics though I was never around for their release.

Besides, the relics are still tied to their own content since you have to do Bozja and Castrum and the new 24 man raid to get to the point where you can grind the alliance raids, so your point is moot.

I'd rather chalk it up to devs not knowing what they're doing and making both sides unhappy

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I did 3 ARR relics pre nerf, like 4 or 5 heavensward ones pre nerf. Trust me, these see the easiest relics have ever been.


People just want to be able to do nothing and get good gear

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

It is tied to Bozja though as you can't start the new relic quest unless you've completed the previous Bozja quests which means getting to level 10 in there and doing the Castrum.

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Which is what I really don't get. Why even give people an alternative way to farm their relics outside Bozja when you're forcing them to basically complete the thing anyway? Might as well scrap the CT grind and increase the drop chance inside Eureka 2.0

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Lol, this is what happens when people complain about not wanting the relic to be tied to its own content and needing to be "casual friendly".

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How about the dev team actually be inventive and not fall back on extremely lazy alternatives? People are allowed to criticise Eureka while equally wanting something better than "spam Crystal Tower a bazillion times." Hell, why not Ivalice and Mhachi raids if their only alternative is spamming old content? There's absolutely no reason incentivize Crystal Tower more than it already is.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Which is what I really don't get. Why even give people an alternative way to farm their relics outside Bozja when you're forcing them to basically complete the thing anyway? Might as well scrap the CT grind and increase the drop chance inside Eureka 2.0

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Probably because people cried about Eureka and to this day it’s the lowest completed relic.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Probably because people cried about Eureka and to this day it’s the lowest completed relic.

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Except they're just angering the same demographic when the whole point of an alternative method was so people who didn't like the "public dungeon" aspect could still partake in the relic. Forcing them to do Bozja is forcing them to grind up to rank 10 and complete two of the very "public dungeons" they didn't like to begin with. And Castrum has become increasingly harder to do now since no one has any incentive to bother with it.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Probably because people cried about Eureka and to this day it’s the lowest completed relic.

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Even if people did, this fixes absolutely nothing because you still have to engage with and complete Bozja, that's the exact same as Eureka.


The pessimist in me would say that they originally intended you to be able to complete all of the relic stages outside of it, but then they saw how little interest people actually had in Bozja and how fast the content died. So they now require you to complete it because they want to be able to call it a success.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Castrum AND the new one actually. I don't think the new one is very new player friendly either, but I think people will be running this one for a decent while yet.

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The new one has a reason to run it, at least once a week; you pretty much get a free piece of 510 gear that makes you look like a Judge from XII. As well as the new mount, a minion, and a few other things drop in there. But yeah, I loved the difficulty of the normal dungeon, wasn't too frustrating to me once we learned the patterns, but for more casual players it may prove frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Xiomara

Yup, if you want all the relics it'll be 255 runs of crystal tower, because it's not a guaranteed drop in Bozja it's more efficient if you just spam the one alliance raid over and over.

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So our monthly amount of CT runs, i see xD

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Castrum AND the new one actually. I don't think the new one is very new player friendly either, but I think people will be running this one for a decent while yet.

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I'm just level 8 in Bojza...not really invested in it....well there goes my relic run.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Which is what I really don't get. Why even give people an alternative way to farm their relics outside Bozja when you're forcing them to basically complete the thing anyway? Might as well scrap the CT grind and increase the drop chance inside Eureka 2.0

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I think the intention was always that people would complete the Bozja content anyway, and then the grind for subsequent weapons could be done either way.
They haven't been very consistent or effective in the implementation of that though.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

It is tied to Bozja though as you can't start the new relic quest unless you've completed the previous Bozja quests which means getting to level 10 in there and doing the Castrum.

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well that sucks. Im not really invested in Bozja & only level 8. Got bored with it after the 1st week. Well there goes my next relic step.

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Originally Posted by Nighthawky2010

well that sucks. Im not really invested in Bozja & only level 8. Got bored with it after the 1st week. Well there goes my next relic step.

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I was exactly the same with Eureka, in fact I never bothered with anything after Pagos. But Bozja feels better than Eureka in everyway so far.

The story really picks up at rank 10, and Castrum and Denubrae are effectively new alliance raids.

Imagine how hyped everyone would be if this weekend they announced "6.0 is getting 5 Alliance Raids instead of 3" and yet... no one wants to do the 2 extra ones we've got in Shadowbringers...

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I was exactly the same with Eureka, in fact I never bothered with anything after Pagos. But Bozja feels better than Eureka in everyway so far.

The story really picks up at rank 10, and Castrum and Denubrae are effectively new alliance raids.

Imagine how hyped everyone would be if this weekend they announced "6.0 is getting 5 Alliance Raids instead of 3" and yet... no one wants to do the 2 extra ones we've got in Shadowbringers...

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More content is nice, but not when it's locked behind boring fate grinding and having to sit around waiting for it to show up every hour only for a chance to possibly get in and do it.

Call me crazy but I don't see what's so fun about doing grindy content just so I can do more grindy content for a weapon that's probably only marginally better than the stuff from Emerald weapon.

The real question is why aren't the pieces guaranteed drops in Bozja? If you want this content to live, give it reason to. Yes, these things are guaranteed in CT and the other raids as well. But if you make it guaranteed inside Bozja, people will actually do it since you could possibly get more in less time.