Gold Selling Spams

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01-29-2021, 01:20 PM
LauNeit

Gold Selling Spams

I have been playing this game for more than 2 month now, but everytime I want to enjoy some other player's performance at Limsa, I get this spam of 5gold site, it has been really annoying and my blacklist is filling up with those spam bots. Why didn't the game just ban all things related to that site, really I looked up this issue and I can find posts date back to 2016.
01-29-2021, 01:34 PM
KageTokage

I'm not sure why they didn't just make the "report RMT" function temporarily blacklist anyone you use it on.

Pretty much everything related to RMT or cheating is handled poorly at best overall.
01-29-2021, 04:01 PM
Brightamethyst

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm not sure why they didn't just make the "report RMT" function temporarily blacklist anyone you use it on.

Yeah. They should take a page from WoW here. In WoW reporting someone for RMT puts them on a temporary blacklist and also removes anything they've said from your chat log.
01-29-2021, 06:18 PM
Jin-

There is a plugin which automatically filters the bot messages. I'm not posting a link since it's not exactly "supported officially".
Works wonders for thousands of people
01-29-2021, 07:00 PM
Bsrking5

Im sure this dates back to 2.0. Those bots are annoying but its easy to avoid if you want to by not going to the starting cities. Thats where they live and die at.
01-29-2021, 08:51 PM
Nabril

Step one: Change /say to only have a very short reach when on trial account. If you're not within 10 meters of someone, you can't be heard.

Step two: ban all other forms of communication from trial accounts.

Step three: Add in filters to block the stuff they say.

That would stop a lot of this! It's sad that there is zero effort to stop these people from spamming.
01-30-2021, 12:13 AM
ReynTime

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Step one: Change /say to only have a very short reach when on trial account. If you're not within 10 meters of someone, you can't be heard.

Step two: ban all other forms of communication from trial accounts.

Step three: Add in filters to block the stuff they say.

That would stop a lot of this! It's sad that there is zero effort to stop these people from spamming.

Step two wouldn't affect the RMTers in any way but would make trial players kind of hate the experience.
01-30-2021, 10:20 AM
Rhus

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Step one: If you're not within 10 meters.

What is this “meters” you describe in your message? :p
01-30-2021, 03:46 PM
Greyhawk

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01-30-2021, 04:27 PM
Jojoya

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Originally Posted by LauNeit

I have been playing this game for more than 2 month now, but everytime I want to enjoy some other player's performance at Limsa, I get this spam of 5gold site, it has been really annoying and my blacklist is filling up with those spam bots. Why didn't the game just ban all things related to that site, really I looked up this issue and I can find posts date back to 2016.

Because every time SE picks a character pattern in the macro to use to detect and filter out those messages, the site operators change what's in the macro to get around the filter. Maybe they replace . with , or O with 0 but they will do something to keep from getting blocked.

It's been rather amusing to watch the RMT messages of a certain gil selling website evolve into bizarre messages to share their sales pitch - and website address - over the months as SE blocks the old messages.

It's really not worth the effort of adding the spam bots to your blacklist - they don't last more than a couple of hours. It would be nice if SE were to add in a temporary ignore once you reported a spam bot but eventually you'll learn to mentally filter it out when it appears.

Best thing to do is not pay attention to your chat log if you're only there to enjoy someone's Performance. The Performance isn't in the chat log, after all. If the scrolling is distracting, hide the chat log. If you want to still be able to see tells, FC chat, party chat, etc., create a new chat log window that doesn't display /shout and /say and switch to that for the duration of the Performance.
01-31-2021, 02:49 AM
Greyhawk

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's really not worth the effort of adding the spam bots to your blacklist - they don't last more than a couple of hours.

I agree with not adding them to the blacklist, you would drive yourself crazy. About how long they last - not necessarily so, as ones I reported two months ago were still at it the other day, and they weren't even those 'screwed up seizure on a keyboard' name. But, I would love, love, love to see a chat filter we could use similar to what Black Desert Online has for their system. You have a registry to enter certain words that you don't want to see. Pick a word, add it to the registry, and you don't even see the entire message ever appear in chat as long as it has that one word. I usually add 'www.' which clears out of guild recruiting and 99.9% of the gold spam, then just a couple of other words that I can't put here, because it's the name of a site. Of course it can be used for more than this but just having this type of filter alone would make life so much easier on the community.

I really don't believe SE is proactive at all in gold bot/spam removal after seeing them over and over and over again. They aren't interested in trying to even put an effort into elimination, so they post their numbers to please whoever cares about that. I know it's next to impossible to eliminate, but you can sure make it harder on them by allowing both a client side filter and also applying a system to keep them from spamming it, and that would just take one person managing that. Hell, I'd do it for free if they'd let me.
01-31-2021, 06:02 AM
Wrestlefire769

Already gave you my answer -- get rid of the pro-RMT people in the Community Team before you can deal with the RMT on the ground level.
01-31-2021, 06:35 AM
Nabril

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Because every time SE picks a character pattern in the macro to use to detect and filter out those messages, the site operators change what's in the macro to get around the filter. Maybe they replace . with , or O with 0 but they will do something to keep from getting blocked.

It's been rather amusing to watch the RMT messages of a certain gil selling website evolve into bizarre messages to share their sales pitch - and website address - over the months as SE blocks the old messages.

It's really not worth the effort of adding the spam bots to your blacklist - they don't last more than a couple of hours. It would be nice if SE were to add in a temporary ignore once you reported a spam bot but eventually you'll learn to mentally filter it out when it appears.

Best thing to do is not pay attention to your chat log if you're only there to enjoy someone's Performance. The Performance isn't in the chat log, after all. If the scrolling is distracting, hide the chat log. If you want to still be able to see tells, FC chat, party chat, etc., create a new chat log window that doesn't display /shout and /say and switch to that for the duration of the Performance.

It's not that hard to filter out the messages. There is a 3rd party app that apparently does a great job of it and I really don't think you're ready to make the claim that SE just isn't smart enough to figure it out if someone else can do it.
01-31-2021, 06:36 AM
Nabril

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Originally Posted by Wrestlefire769

Already gave you my answer -- get rid of the pro-RMT people in the Community Team before you can deal with the RMT on the ground level.

This actually would explain why there's been zero effort in stopping this.
01-31-2021, 09:10 AM
Shibi

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Originally Posted by Rhus

What is this “meters” you describe in your message? :p

Yalms I think, so 100 Ilms or 1/1000th of a Malm.
01-31-2021, 09:45 AM
Awha

Tbh, I find it dumb, but a part of me cannot blame people for using some of these sites. Ran into one that was selling mogstation codes for items upwards of 65% off the original price. For some that is a hard deal to pass up.
02-01-2021, 01:45 AM
Bsrking5

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Originally Posted by Awha

Tbh, I find it dumb, but a part of me cannot blame people for using some of these sites. Ran into one that was selling mogstation codes for items upwards of 65% off the original price. For some that is a hard deal to pass up.

Well some of those are just phishing scams for credit card or paypal info. If its to good to be true, its probably is fake.
02-01-2021, 05:59 AM
Awha

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Well some of those are just phishing scams for credit card or paypal info. If its to good to be true, its probably is fake.

With the consumer protections put into place when it comes to such things it is not as risky as it once was to bank on said sites. I am not saying there are not some shady RMT running around, but overall those companies make more money not scamming people out of money. I use to take part in RMT in WoW, from personal experience the credit card phishers and the like are far less common then what people like to perceive. Just as the buyer if they are smart and use a site like paypal or a card with zero liability on unauthorized getting away with scamming someone out of their card info is not as common or as easy to get away with as many would like to assume. Also even ingame action being taken against the buyer is often not heavily punished.

Reality is buying is not as much as risk people like to make it out to be. Sure a risk is present but it is not as paramount as people like to make it.