It’s 2021 now and we still do not have Race Restrictions REMOVED from Hempen Clothes

For those of you who are new and don’t understand what I’m talking about, there are race restrictions on all Hempen clothing in ffxiv. Hempen camise and Pantalettes all have different designs based on your race in game. Many people wished for that to be removed so for example, Miqote can wear Hyur Hempen clothing.

This has been highly requested for years, and has gone unanswered for a very long time. It’s unclear whether the dev team is working on this in 6.0 or if they decided to abandon the idea all together....

Judging by the recent Mogstation outfits, I assume their side focus is on glamour now, so what gives? (The lewd open buttoned shirt and the school girl outfit)

I'm of the mind that we need more race specific gear, not less. Trust me, Miqo and Au Ra in particular both have hempen pieces I would love to have for my character, but I would much rather have them work on entirely new sets instead.

That being said, you won't hear any gripes from me about restriction removal from just these particular sets of gear as they are just glamour items.

Meanwhile, Viera and Hrothgar got nothing at all since their release and are far worse off than the other playable races with just about everything. :rolleyes: But you know, priorities. Sadly, I could see them addressing this before Viera and Hrothgar get anything at all.

More race specific gear, not less!

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

More race specific gear, not less!

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Except, you know, Viera and Hyur already share the same Hempen set now. So there goes that argument. At least as it pertains to the Hempen set. Frankly, I'd rather have more options than be restricted, especially since the devs have a notoriously bad habit of sticking to one particular design that only works for one aesthetic preference and no other. Just ask the Physical Range how they feel regarding their various sets this expansion.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Except, you know, Viera and Hyur already share the same Hempen set now. So there goes that argument. At least as it pertains to the Hempen set. Frankly, I'd rather have more options than be restricted, especially since the devs have a notoriously bad habit of sticking to one particular design that only works for one aesthetic preference and no other. Just ask the Physical Range how they feel regarding their various sets this expansion.

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Pretty much this, yeah. I would agree with Valk if Viera didn’t share the same set as Hyur but they do for some reason. I just...don’t understand Square Enix’s decisions at this point.

I'd like to use the miqo'te top for some glams, and I don't want to play miqo'te. I think it's a pretty perfect neutral, it would look good on au ra.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Except, you know, Viera and Hyur already share the same Hempen set now. So there goes that argument. At least as it pertains to the Hempen set. Frankly, I'd rather have more options than be restricted, especially since the devs have a notoriously bad habit of sticking to one particular design that only works for one aesthetic preference and no other. Just ask the Physical Range how they feel regarding their various sets this expansion.

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That doesn't take away from my request.

They can just unlock the hempen stuff then, and give us new race specific stuff.

There, problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That doesn't take away from my request.

They can just unlock the hempen stuff then, and give us new race specific stuff.

There, problem solved.

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They just have to make sure it's either very specific to that race and wouldn't make sense on any other race, or incredibly ugly so that nobody cares if it gets added for other races.

Otherwise we'd just end up with topics like this for that gear too.

There is no way in heck they are going to make whole new race specific sets for each race. They don't even have the resources to do miqo'te ears anymore!

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I'm of the mind that we need more race specific gear, not less. Trust me, Miqo and Au Ra in particular both have hempen pieces I would love to have for my character, but I would much rather have them work on entirely new sets instead.

That being said, you won't hear any gripes from me about restriction removal from just these particular sets of gear as they are just glamour items.

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Arbitrary restrictions in terms of cosmetics just ends up feeling like a punishment for not picking the "right" race, without giving any reasonable advantages.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Arbitrary restrictions in terms of cosmetics just ends up feeling like a punishment for not picking the "right" race, without giving any reasonable advantages.

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I honestly agree here. I've never been a fan of race/gender restricted anything as it doesn't really add anything to the experience for anyone, except the people playing the race. Not to mention SE is terrible about making hideous race clothing ( Looking at you Lala, Roe and Hroth )and end up getting left out in the rain when everyone else got good designs. Remove the restrictions and lets move on.

People often will use lore and immersion/thematics to defend keeping things restricted, but we already have so much immersion-breaking content in the game that I really don't see how a Hyur wearing a Hrothgar outfit is any worse. We have flying Bear mounts with Santa hats, flying giraffes, pig costumes, and this is just right off the top of my head lol.

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Originally Posted by Kyeria

Not to mention SE is terrible about making hideous race clothing ( Looking at you Lala, [...]

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Speak for yourself.
I love the Lala outfits. They're adorable.

I wouldn't mind this, but I don't think Viera and Hrothgar sharing theirs with Midlander and Roe is a particularly convincing reason for this to happen.

It's not like we have our own sets in addition to the Midlander and Roe ones, we got hand-me-downs because they couldn't be bothered or ran out of time.

It's not exactly a privilege and just highlights the half-baked nature of these 2 races even more.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I wouldn't mind this, but I don't think Viera and Hrothgar sharing theirs with Midlander and Roe is a particularly convincing reason for this to happen.

It's not like we have our own sets in addition to the Midlander and Roe ones, we got hand-me-downs because they couldn't be bothered or ran out of time.

It's not exactly a privilege and just highlights the half-baked nature of these 2 races even more.

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Viera/Hrothgar not getting unique hempen is just further proof they probably would prefer not to do any new unique racial gear. I think more so because of the sheer amount of gear they'd have to design.

It does highlight their limitations, just that bit more. They got the bare minimum, pretty much.

I find this thread comical. Thank you for the laugh. What exactly does the year have to do with anything? You will always have race restrictions on those items because SE, the company that develops this game wants it to be that way. I know its hard when you can't complain and have things change the way you want them to. That is life.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Viera/Hrothgar not getting unique hempen is just further proof they probably would prefer not to do any new unique racial gear. I think more so because of the sheer amount of gear they'd have to design.

It does highlight their limitations, just that bit more. They got the bare minimum, pretty much.

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I imagine it would also significantly cut into the time they're able to spend designing more umbrellas and short spiky haircuts and that's just not a world I want to live in.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I imagine it would also significantly cut into the time they're able to spend designing more umbrellas and short spiky haircuts and that's just not a world I want to live in.

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Oh God, don't remind me.. Sometimes I really question their priorities. Granted those were (are) probably in the works for awhile.. still over all the other things they could do...

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Originally Posted by Reap00

What exactly does the year have to do with anything?

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It basically means "look how far we have come as a society and how many equality issues we've solved, how does this inequality still exist?"

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Originally Posted by tdb

It basically means "look how far we have come as a society and how many equality issues we've solved, how does this inequality still exist?"

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People actually think this is an inequality that has to be resolved? (Zenos voice) Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by tdb

It basically means "look how far we have come as a society and how many equality issues we've solved, how does this inequality still exist?"

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Yeah, but this isnt an "inequality". Every race has one (in terms of racial gear anyway, now that hempen sets aren't race specific due to new races). Inequality means not equal. Its currently pretty equal still.

If only catgirls got new racial gear, then you could talk about inequality.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Except, you know, Viera and Hyur already share the same Hempen set now. So there goes that argument. At least as it pertains to the Hempen set. Frankly, I'd rather have more options than be restricted, especially since the devs have a notoriously bad habit of sticking to one particular design that only works for one aesthetic preference and no other. Just ask the Physical Range how they feel regarding their various sets this expansion.

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I’ve personally felt the physical ranged sets have looked good this expansion.

male highlanders also dont have eyebrows & beards/ stubble still hasn't been added
hilda's ponytail hasn't been added & viera + hrothgar still haven't been updated even after the huge amounts of requests

I do think the hempen stuff shouldn't be race bound & available to all but you're preaching to the choir here but SE only listens to the JP community or those who are okay with paying $$ for something

Just grab a number & get in line with the rest of us

No keep the race restrictions. Actually while you at it can we get more items that are actually race specific thank you.

And while you're at it can we please get our race specific Viera Hempen set which apparently you forgo because of limited resources when preparing the 5.0 xpac.

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Originally Posted by tdb

It basically means "look how far we have come as a society and how many equality issues we've solved, how does this inequality still exist?"

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In this case I would say the year 2021 is there because people have been asking for this for years and years and it still hasn't happened.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...pen-set-styles
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Y-UNLOCKED-now
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Racial-Unlock
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...d-Show-Support
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-For-All-Races
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ng-Hempen-sets.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...l-Races-Please
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...or-other-races

I made a thread asking for them in 2014. It has nothing to do with equality, people just want more glams.

I for one would welcome the influx of cat boys in Elezen hempen tops and cat girls in Highlander hempen tops.

Wish we had more cultural and race specific clothes like Western RPG games

I don't mind race specific clothes, no matter how much I'd like my hyur to wear other races' hempen. I guess because I'm an RPer, I enjoy every race to have their own charisma and personality.

(Besides, there are just two sets in the whole game that differ from race to race. It's barely nothing).

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I for one would welcome the influx of cat boys in Elezen hempen tops and cat girls in Highlander hempen tops.

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I just want the midlander male's tank top.

Yea, it's time to give up on this one.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

More race specific gear, not less!

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This is my stance, I like that race matters in this regard.

Some of my favorite gear in GW2 was race locked to my race.

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Originally Posted by tdb

It basically means "look how far we have come as a society and how many equality issues we've solved, how does this inequality still exist?"

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The belief that 'many' equality issues in the real world have been solved is both hopeful and wrong.

There are plenty of equality issues still to be resolved in our world. Taking care of those is more important than bits-and-bytes in a video game. Go forth and make the real world a better place.

The way gear works in this game, it's not just a matter of flipping a switch and saying everyone can use this now. Our character models are like Lego pieces made from chunks of gear models. They'd have to actually make a new model for each race/gear combo. So each set would need six new models (or five, for the female Midlander and male Roe, already shared with Viera and Hrothgar), and would have to be functionally entirely new items to separate them. It's a lot more work than it seems at first glance.

I'm not really objecting to it, mind you. Just saying, it's not simple.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

The way gear works in this game, it's not just a matter of flipping a switch and saying everyone can use this now. Our character models are like Lego pieces made from chunks of gear models. They'd have to actually make a new model for each race/gear combo. So each set would need six new models (or five, for the female Midlander and male Roe, already shared with Viera and Hrothgar), and would have to be functionally entirely new items to separate them. It's a lot more work than it seems at first glance.

I'm not really objecting to it, mind you. Just saying, it's not simple.

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Worth it though. Some desirable pieces. If they can fit several dresses to males (and some male only to female), I think we can get some hempen sets.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is my stance, I like that race matters in this regard.

Some of my favorite gear in GW2 was race locked to my race.

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The only good thing with "race" specific gear in GW2 is that the charr often get unique outfits for their tails too... on armors and outfits that can be worn by any race. There are otherwise multiple instances of NPC of a race using another races cultural armor, again proving that the restrictions in place are arbitrary.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Arbitrary restrictions in terms of cosmetics just ends up feeling like a punishment for not picking the "right" race, without giving any reasonable advantages.

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It's a slippery slope. Punishment is not a word I would use. However, I can definitely relate to feelings of unfairness. It becomes a matter of perspective though. Where I see unfairness, I can also see additions. When I say additions, things like new races, gearsets, hairstyles, etc. can all be seen as additions to the game. This is a very good thing. However, if they are not made available for everyone due to some kind of restriction, then it is unfair. I think this is a perspective I've had difficulty seeing.

I think an argument which would have helped me understand where the unfairness is coming from is that a signature identity of this mmo that separates it from many others is how you can do everything on one character. That was an impression I got before I subbed. Knowing what I know now as a new sub, I would quickly question if this is true, then why do so many players have alts?

The thing about races in particular, is that I think the more diverse you can make them, the better. There is going to be limitations here, which prevents and excludes using iconic creatures like Moogles as a playable race. However on a sliding scale where one side is diverse and the other side is homogenized, I think the closer we get to the latter, the less purpose there is for actual races to be in the game. As a result of that, the only way to truly diversify the races is through cosmetics. And without restrictions, we move the scale closer to the point where there isn't even a point to have different races or genders in the game at all. Granted, we are far from that but I will point back to my slippery slope comment.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

The thing about races in particular, is that I think the more diverse you can make them, the better. There is going to be limitations here, which prevents and excludes using iconic creatures like Moogles as a playable race. However on a sliding scale where one side is diverse and the other side is homogenized, I think the closer we get to the latter, the less purpose there is for actual races to be in the game. As a result of that, the only way to truly diversify the races is through cosmetics. And without restrictions, we move the scale closer to the point where there isn't even a point to have different races or genders in the game at all. Granted, we are far from that but I will point back to my slippery slope comment.

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There is always more to diversity than just races and restricting cosmetics to certain races would ultimately be counter-intuitive to forwarding diversity because now you got a situation where a race itself is cosmetically conformist putting us in situations where we are stuck with fewer and less diverse groups than what we would have had with total freedom.

The "diversity" you talk about could have been perfectly achievable by just making an FC with a strict race/dress-code.

Ultimately culture, art and styles is something that should be shared and used for inspiration or it's just going to stagnate and die out.

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Originally Posted by Ariel_Valmont

I’ve personally felt the physical ranged sets have looked good this expansion.

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It’s less about them looking good and more about how the sets don’t fit the aesthetic of one (or more) of the three physical ranged jobs. None of the physical ranged sets released have really suited Dancer’s aesthetic. Or Bard. The Neo-Ishgardian set is my favorite released, but it really only can aesthetically play into Machinist with its steampunk style.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

It’s less about them looking good and more about how the sets don’t fit the aesthetic of one (or more) of the three physical ranged jobs. None of the physical ranged sets released have really suited Dancer’s aesthetic. Or Bard. The Neo-Ishgardian set is my favorite released, but it really only can aesthetically play into Machinist with its steampunk style.

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GNB has been in the same boat for the most part this expansion as far as Tome gear is concerned. And other than one Eden set (Eden's Promise) they haven't gotten anything fitting there. Gunblades are interchangeable though. Thankfully they added some crafted glamours which fit okay, but not all of them.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

In this case I would say the year 2021 is there because people have been asking for this for years and years and it still hasn't happened.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...pen-set-styles
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Y-UNLOCKED-now
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Racial-Unlock
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...d-Show-Support
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-For-All-Races
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ng-Hempen-sets.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...l-Races-Please
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...or-other-races

I made a thread asking for them in 2014. It has nothing to do with equality, people just want more glams.

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The mods really should condense this thread and all of those into one thread. The first one even has a reply from a mod saying the devs want to monitor player feedback. :B