5.35 Bozja - You can't level down from mettle

Just saying this now since I know a lot of people were worried about it from eureka

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I know that you still lose stuff, but you can not rank down anymore, which means when you're at cap it won't have any affect on you.

It's better than Eureka's elvl

Yeah, it sounds like a fair way of managing it. Still a penalty and an incentive to play well and be cautious, but you can only go down so far and there are checkpoints.

I hate this place so far. Its basically harder on non-healing dps than any other job. Like Eureka, I feel like I'm being forced into RDM or Tank again.

Edit: It gets better for a dps when you get some cure spells and defensive spells/essences.

Eureka, but with Ghimlyt Dark aesthetics.

I'll wait until I have more than half an hour to play in it to give a better opinion, but so far I'm not too enthused.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I hate this place so far. Its basically harder on non-healing dps than any other job. Like Eureka, I feel like I'm being forced into RDM or Tank again.

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I am playing as BRD with a healing and defence action and am having no trouble with dying unless I pull to many mobs. try farming the action with the low level mobs then trying the higher areas.

Not really a fan of this content...been at it for the last 3 hours or so and it really does just feel like Eureka again without the annoying Magia board and enemies that soak up damage.

It relies on FATES for everything. You don't get merits(exp) for killing mobs, only clusters or whatever they're called that you can use to turn in for items like the mount and emotes. While the FATEs do spawn much faster than the ones in Eureka, they still aren't guaranteed to drop the item you need for the weapon.

If I understand right, you'll need 60 for the weapon upgrade. 20 of each of the 3 kinds of memories.

These can also be obtained from FATEs in older areas outside of Bozja as well.

I kind of want the resistance gear but after I get the coat at least, I'm out.

I plan to upgrade my Resistance Weapon outside of the place. It sounds like a hellhole.

Just got to rank 5 and it's not terrible. You're apparently guaranteed a drop from the FATEs and even soloing I haven't had many problems. Travelling does feel kinda slow even with mounts, though.

Some aspects are better but over all I'm already struggling to stay awake. I did enjoy Eureka while it was new but it did get to be a *yawn* boring by the time I started on my 3rd weapon. I couldn't take it anymore after the 4th weapon. Bozja is already feeling like that all over again.

I made it to rank 5 and I had to leave because I was literally yawning and getting a headache.

Grouping is difficult in it, since during the large scale fights not everyone gets in and then most ppl drop party to group with ppl who got in. I understand why they did it that way, but it makes pre-mades or finding a decent group non-existent.

I led a party in their this morning and running a party is an ongoing process. They either need to make it more party friendly or just get rid of the need for parties period and reduce it to solo content. The way it is now, its going to reduce the ppl who actually want to form a party and prevents you from doing content with your friends and guildmates.

Also more lockboxes filled with useless fireworks...

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I hate this place so far. Its basically harder on non-healing dps than any other job. Like Eureka, I feel like I'm being forced into RDM or Tank again.

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What? I find the opposite tbh. I'm breezing through it by equipping a cure spell as a DNC. Unless I overpull like 5+ things, I can keep up aoeing small packs and healing.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Also more lockboxes filled with useless fireworks...

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Oh, yeah... That is the same problem of the Deep Dungeons with double RNG.

Lockboxes are already pretty uncommon to begin with, so why not - at least - add something mildly useful as the "trash" prize?

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Oh, yeah... That is the same problem of the Deep Dungeons with double RNG.

Lockboxes are already pretty uncommon to begin with, so why not - at least - add something mildly useful as the "trash" prize?

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I've gotten an umbrella, a minion, a desktop version of the minion from my lockboxes. My fiance managed to get 2 minions AND two of the mounts in the lockboxes

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Also more lockboxes filled with useless fireworks...

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Honestly, if Square wants to make a morally grey villain I can sympathize with in the future, just make them do what they do so they can rid the world of Magicked Prisms.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

What? I find the opposite tbh. I'm breezing through it by equipping a cure spell as a DNC. Unless I overpull like 5+ things, I can keep up aoeing small packs and healing.

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Its gotten better now that I have healing spells. At first I wasn't getting anything but potions. Once I got 99 stacks of Cure III and realized the actions persist through different instances, it got much better.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I hate this place so far. Its basically harder on non-healing dps than any other job. Like Eureka, I feel like I'm being forced into RDM or Tank again.

Edit: It gets better for a dps when you get some cure spells and defensive spells/essences.

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just stop getting hit, it's that easy. I got to lvl7 mch and only time I died was when my rank 3 party tried ot solo the manta ray S rank.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I hate this place so far. Its basically harder on non-healing dps than any other job.

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Not much, you can unlock and equip healing lost actions. I done that with DNC.

Even though you can't level down, the fact that you can still be unavoidably penalized for someone else's mistakes is rather aggravating.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Even though you can't level down, the fact that you can still be unavoidably penalized for someone else's mistakes is rather aggravating.

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The penalty for actually dying is pretty small (to the point it seems pointless, unless it scales much more the higher rank you get) although the penalty for 'releasing' is much worse. Luckily people seem amicable enough at responding to 'rez please' markers on /sh.

It does scale, im losing over 1000 per death at r12.
I find this system stupid. Getting punished for small mistakes; getting punished for learning a fight; and its just annoying overall.

Everything else in there is pretty good, always fates to do and the critical things are fun... if you don´t die.

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Originally Posted by Calixis

The penalty for actually dying is pretty small (to the point it seems pointless, unless it scales much more the higher rank you get) although the penalty for 'releasing' is much worse. Luckily people seem amicable enough at responding to 'rez please' markers on /sh.

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yes it does scales as you lvl up more, at to a point where you lose more than you gain if you end dying a lot which is something that you cant avoid because everyone is learning.

I for whatever reason can’t find a consistent way to gather clusters. I just want the hairstyle.

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Originally Posted by Renato

While the FATEs do spawn much faster than the ones in Eureka, they still aren't guaranteed to drop the item you need for the weapon.

If I understand right, you'll need 60 for the weapon upgrade. 20 of each of the 3 kinds of memories.

These can also be obtained from FATEs in older areas outside of Bozja as well.

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I'm enjoying Bozja, but I'm also someone who willingly does Eureka content; there may be something wrong with me.

However, this bit quoted above actually sort of annoys me; I feel like they have things backwards. Right now, there's a chance for memories to drop in the Bozjan Southern Front. However, there is a 100% chance that they will drop from FATEs outside of Bozja provided you get gold. This means the easiest way to get the Bozjan relic weapon is not to do Bozja.

I think that having the weapons able to be upgraded outside of Bozja is a good idea; having the level 70 relic weapons require Eureka was maybe not the best possible option. But I think that since they are weapons tied to the Resistance storyline and content, the Bozja content should have the better drop rate on the materials for them.

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Originally Posted by Hugowulf

I for whatever reason can’t find a consistent way to gather clusters. I just want the hairstyle.

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If you find one, please let me know. If there's a way like there was with the one lockbox farm in Pagos I'll gladly do it

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Originally Posted by Infindox

If you find one, please let me know. If there's a way like there was with the one lockbox farm in Pagos I'll gladly do it

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Kill mechanical enemies at the starting/mid area and do any fate (are more common in the area I mentioned) involving the same type of enemy. The more people doing it the better, since everyone gets the item if it happens to drop.

I'm glad, not losing rank is awesome. I think exp loss on death is bad game design but the fact that you can't down level means that it doesn't bother me nearly as much.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

However, this bit quoted above actually sort of annoys me; I feel like they have things backwards. Right now, there's a chance for memories to drop in the Bozjan Southern Front. However, there is a 100% chance that they will drop from FATEs outside of Bozja provided you get gold. This means the easiest way to get the Bozjan relic weapon is not to do Bozja.

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It's certainly strange and I wonder if they somehow flipped the numbers. Should it be 100% drop rate inside, chance outside?

Or perhaps they're hoping people will balance the choice between "do it faster" and "engage with new content for longer".

I honestly don't know what people are complaining about.
Dlying loses you barely 10% of what you gain from a Skirmish of CE. Unless you keep dying repeatedly, or you return to camp, you're still making net progress.
This is far, far better than Eureka

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Kill mechanical enemies at the starting/mid area and do any fate (are more common in the area I mentioned) involving the same type of enemy. The more people doing it the better, since everyone gets the item if it happens to drop.

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Ah Ty. I also found a tweet that lists the enemies that drop the clusters 50% of the time.
@Packetdancer Any enemy that is labled "4th Legion ____" seem to drop the clusters either 25% or 50% in any of the levels.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I honestly don't know what people are complaining about.
Dlying loses you barely 10% of what you gain from a Skirmish of CE. Unless you keep dying repeatedly, or you return to camp, you're still making net progress.
This is far, far better than Eureka

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Wait till you go to castrum with a group that is learning. A dead is almost 1k. Having to return is almost 4500. In my first run, I dropped from around 190k to 155k.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Ah Ty. I also found a tweet that lists the enemies that drop the clusters 50% of the time.
@Packetdancer Any enemy that is labled "4th Legion ____" seem to drop the clusters either 25% or 50% in any of the levels.

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Farming death is easy, so what I'm doing now is using it against any rank 3. It's going quick, even if I solo.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Or perhaps they're hoping people will balance the choice between "do it faster" and "engage with new content for longer".

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This is what I think is the case.

I think they're basically giving people who do not enjoy BSF an easy out, but fully intend for everyone to complete BSF's story portion. Do it once basically, and if you hate it, easy relics outside. I think a lot of people are in for an upsetting time if they never do BSF, and the next portion comes out and they can't progress the quest because they didn't do BSF lol

Like I said in some other thread - if completing BSF is necessary for the next relic step, then just like in Stormblood I pretend there is no such thing as a relic.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Wait till you go to castrum with a group that is learning. A dead is almost 1k. Having to return is almost 4500. In my first run, I dropped from around 190k to 155k.

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But it all scales. 1k is nothing when you earn 10k from a CE.
The fact that you managed to get to 190k in less than 2 days shows this is trivial as all hell.
The equivalent in Eureka would take over a week.