FFXIV Needs a wardrobe system.

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09-28-2020, 05:58 AM
Daniolaut

FFXIV Needs a wardrobe system.

FFXIV always goes about "part of the way there" when it comes to systems and options.

I suggest they add a "wardrobe" system, that allows the player to access a menu or area, in which you can "try on" literally any piece of gear in the game.

Put it in the Inn room if its needed.

This system already is basically in place. Item linking system in the chat log (access to all items.) "Try-on" system. That already exists. The marketboard, allows the player access to sharable items.

Just.. they arent connected.

Just like how you cant save your settings for the title screen, and pick from all options. Some players have some options and others have other options, and none of the options get saved.

Just like Gunbreaker and Dancer. Or Blue Mage, or basically anything released since 5.0, its all just "some of the way there."

Just a thought, of my many many many many many many thoughts.
09-28-2020, 06:02 AM
EaMett

How about a glam log that does that and keeps track of your glams. So we can have a good glam system and get rid of the lousy dresser.
09-28-2020, 06:04 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by EaMett

How about a glam log that does that and keeps track of your glams. So we can have a good glam system and get rid of the lousy dresser.

This. THIS is what we really need.
09-28-2020, 06:14 AM
linayar

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Originally Posted by EaMett

How about a glam log that does that and keeps track of your glams. So we can have a good glam system and get rid of the lousy dresser.

NO! Add the log, but keep the dresser. It's the best part of FFXIV's glamour system.
09-28-2020, 06:21 AM
Buumee

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Originally Posted by linayar

NO! Add the log, but keep the dresser. It's the best part of FFXIV's glamour system.

Unless the Glam Log has features to replace the Dresser, I definitely agree. Also more Glam Plates please.
09-28-2020, 06:23 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by linayar

NO! Add the log, but keep the dresser. It's the best part of FFXIV's glamour system.

It's also free storage, so I'd like to keep the dresser as well at least for that purpose.
09-28-2020, 07:22 AM
EaMett

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Originally Posted by linayar

NO! Add the log, but keep the dresser. It's the best part of FFXIV's glamour system.

The only feature from the dresser are the plates. My suggestion was made assuming we would keep plates.
09-28-2020, 08:17 AM
Bsrking5

Mb, with save try on. Its basically already in the game. I dunno why inn rooms can't get a MB, this would save 2 zone loads in most cases. While we are at it, MB housing item and glamour dresser plz.
09-28-2020, 08:26 AM
Mhaeric

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It's also free storage, so I'd like to keep the dresser as well at least for that purpose.

The storage becomes completely unnecessary if the glamour system is converted to a properly functioning glamour log.

Keeping it around as an access point to a glamour log would be okay, but not ideal. I'm mostly happy as long as glamour gets changed to a log based system from an inventory based one, significantly more glamour plates are added, and applying glamour plates can be done anywhere outside of instances instead of in limited areas. Having to go to an inn to interact with a dresser to change glamour plates would still be annoying, but it's lower down on my list of things that need changing about how glamour works in FFXIV.
09-28-2020, 08:28 AM
GrizzlyTank

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Originally Posted by EaMett

How about a glam log that does that and keeps track of your glams. So we can have a good glam system and get rid of the lousy dresser.

Yup... That damn dresser have done nought but delay what we actually needed.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

The storage becomes completely unnecessary if the glamour system is converted to a properly functioning glamour log.

Not to mention that a properly made log would be a net positive for their servers seeing how it would take overall less storage space than the additional inventory we were given instead...
09-28-2020, 08:30 AM
Gemina

While I would love a lot of these ideas and know they would go a long way to improving the glamour system, we won't get anything like this in FFXIV.

Restrictions are partially to blame as they add another dimension to work around if they wanted a catch all glamour dresser. However, this is a small constriction. The bigger one is all the data contained within a single piece of gear, which included its stats, spirit bond level, materia slots, base color, etc.

One thing they can do is make any glamour gear like cash shop items, and like items that have few stats able to be placed in the armoire. From there they can figure out a way to nuke the stats on gear they won't mind eliminating the restrictions on. This would benefit a couple days. One would be they wouldn't have to release copies of previous gear that have the restrictions removed. The other is it would relieve a ton of storage space for players and open up their glamour options. While we can't look at every piece of gear in the game at one location. We could at least be able to look at any piece of gear we've touched.
09-28-2020, 08:51 AM
GrizzlyTank

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Restrictions are partially to blame as they add another dimension to work around if they wanted a catch all glamour dresser. However, this is a small constriction. The bigger one is all the data contained within a single piece of gear, which included its stats, spirit bond level, materia slots, base color, etc.

There is no reason to actually store any of the stats server side if there were to be a log. Not even a reason to store the original id for the gear either since you can instead just use a bitmap and say "This item goes to byte 3 bit 5". And if they want to be even more stingy they could demand that you need the entire equipment set and store that as one bit. Meanwhile it's the client that gets to handle/sort through the bitmap while browsing glamour you got obtained.
09-28-2020, 03:15 PM
linayar

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Originally Posted by EaMett

The only feature from the dresser are the plates. My suggestion was made assuming we would keep plates.

No, that's not the only feature. Inventory is also the other feature and it's a great way to keep at least one set of dye on the gear itself.
09-28-2020, 05:27 PM
Mhaeric

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Originally Posted by linayar

No, that's not the only feature. Inventory is also the other feature and it's a great way to keep at least one set of dye on the gear itself.

Again, none of this would be necessary with a properly functioning glamour system that simply permanently logged whatever glam options you knew.
09-28-2020, 05:46 PM
linayar

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Again, none of this would be necessary with a properly functioning glamour system that simply permanently logged whatever glam options you knew.

FFXIV already has a properly functioning glamour system. It just needs a log to keep the appearance options.
09-28-2020, 10:53 PM
Zakka

While we are at it can we expand how much normal gear you can carry as well?
09-28-2020, 11:18 PM
Sheriyana

That'd be great, and add another 600 slots minimum to the glamour dresser while they're at it so I don't need to have 3 retainers full of glamour on top of a full glam dresser. Or as others have pointed out, just throw the dresser in the bin and add an actually good system instead. Having glamour items spread in so many different places is so annoying, there's the armoire, glamour dresser, multiple retainers, your own inventories and then the calamity salvager with the other NPC next to it that I can't remember the name of off the top of my head.
09-28-2020, 11:29 PM
Mhaeric

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Originally Posted by linayar

FFXIV already has a properly functioning glamour system. It just needs a log to keep the appearance options.

No it doesn't. It has a clunky, inconvenient glamour system riddled with unnecessary restrictions.
09-29-2020, 01:22 AM
linayar

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

No it doesn't. It has a clunky, inconvenient glamour system riddled with unnecessary restrictions.

looks at self

Nope, it's properly functioning.
09-29-2020, 01:27 AM
Hakuro89

What would be really cool would be the ability to tie hairstyles to glamours.
09-29-2020, 01:27 AM
Mhaeric

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Originally Posted by linayar

looks at self

Nope, it's properly functioning.

It functions. It is in no way a properly functioning system. There are so many hoops to jump through just to use it, and so many things that need fixing in order to make it a worthwhile system. As it stands, it's a hot mess of a system that needs a lot of work to bring it up to par with any other MMO's customization.
09-29-2020, 01:39 AM
Iscah

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

It functions. It is in no way a properly functioning system. There are so many hoops to jump through just to use it, and so many things that need fixing in order to make it a worthwhile system. As it stands, it's a hot mess of a system that needs a lot of work to bring it up to par with any other MMO's customization.

There are a few hoops to get your plates set up, yes. But once they're set up, it's pretty quick and painless to apply them to an outfit.

The system might be able to function better, but that doesn't make the current model non-functional.

It's certainly vastly preferable to prisms.

Also, I've said before - I suspect they can't implement a simpler system or they would have made it instead of this one. They may be stuck working around pre-existing programming and this is the best they can do. And if that's true and we won't get anything better than this, then it isn't that bad.
09-29-2020, 01:41 AM
linayar

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

It functions. It is in no way a properly functioning system. There are so many hoops to jump through just to use it, and so many things that need fixing in order to make it a worthwhile system. As it stands, it's a hot mess of a system that needs a lot of work to bring it up to par with any other MMO's customization.

You're exaggerating on its limitations and it functions well. So many hoops? You unlock the feature, purchase glamour items and just do it at appropriate locations, and you can even use the dresser to store items and save some templates and link to gearsets.
09-29-2020, 01:47 AM
Ayuhra

I just want WoW's transmog system in this game.
09-29-2020, 01:50 AM
Mhaeric

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There are a few hoops to get your plates set up, yes. But once they're set up, it's pretty quick and painless to apply them to an outfit.

Have two DoH jobs with the same gear but diffferent glams and to change glamours in the Firmament you have to leave, reapply the glamour plate, then re-enter. Quick and painless.

Queue for one job and switch to another job within the same role while outside of the limited places you can apply glamour plates. Queue pops and you're stuck with whatever frankenstein glamour is left over because of the class specific gear you chose to glamour with. Quick and painless.

You have 20 jobs you want to have different glamour for and most of them share the same gear. Quick and painless.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The system might be able to function better, but that doesn't make the current model non-functional.

Please quote anywhere I said it was non-functional. You even quoted me saying "It functions." Yes, it functions in that you can make one shirt look like another shirt and can even do that to multiple items in one go. That's bare bones stuff. It doesn't function as a proper glamour system should. Period.

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Originally Posted by linayar

You're exaggerating on its limitations and it functions well. So many hoops? You unlock the feature, purchase glamour items and just do it at appropriate locations, and you can even use the dresser to store items and save some templates and link to gearsets.

You must not have not played any other MMO. Heck, even single player games like Diablo 3 have a better functioning glamour system than FFXIV. FFXIV's glamour system is horrible when comparing it to systems like ESO, WoW, etc. It's a shame really, because the item design is so much better in FFXIV than those games. FFXIV deserves a proper glamour system, not the hot mess that it currently has. FFXIV does so many things well, but how you access the glamour system is not one of them.
09-29-2020, 01:55 AM
linayar

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

It doesn't function as a proper glamour system should. Period.

A proper glamour system has nothing to do with class/job specific gears. That's the dev's choice. And not being able to glamour in certain places is a systems limitation, not an issue with the glamour system.
09-29-2020, 02:00 AM
Mhaeric

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Originally Posted by linayar

A proper glamour system has nothing to do with class/job specific gears.

Yes, it does. Having more than 15 glamour plates is a direct solution to this issue.

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Originally Posted by linayar

And not being able to glamour in certain places is a systems limitation, not an issue with the glamour system.

Nope. You can glamour individual items anywhere, even in instances. Glamour plates being restricted to cities and housing districts is specifically an issue with the glamour system.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If we need a "properly functioning" system then that implies that we don't have one. An improperly functioning system is non-functional.

:rolleyes:
09-29-2020, 02:05 AM
linayar

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

You must not have not played any other MMO. Heck, even single player games like Diablo 3 have a better functioning glamour system than FFXIV.

What do you mean "even" a single player game? A single player game would of course have less restrictions.

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FFXIV's glamour system is horrible when comparing it to systems like ESO, WoW, etc. It's a shame really, because the item design is so much better in FFXIV than those games. FFXIV deserves a proper glamour system, not the hot mess that it currently has.

I don't know about ESO as I never used the system there when I played it briefly, but saying WoW is better when the things that you complain about in FFXIV you can't even do in WoW is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Yes, it does. Having more than 15 glamour plates is a direct solution to this issue.

Nope. You can glamour individual items anywhere, even in instances. Glamour plates being restricted to cities and housing districts is specifically an issue with the glamour system.

Nope, because glamouring individual items require you to have the items in your inventory. Using the glamour plate does not, so it is a systems issue that they are restricting how much access to data your characters have in certain locations, and that likely also determines how many plates they're giving you. Items that you have in your inventory would of course be accessible.
09-29-2020, 02:10 AM
Iscah

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Have two DoH jobs with the same gear but diffferent glams and to change glamours in the Firmament you have to leave, reapply the glamour plate, then re-enter. Quick and painless.

So it has limitations. I know it does. That's a thing it doesn't do well and I've kind of forgotten that multiple crafter glamours are even an option - and if I had them I'd probably put up with it over bothering to go out of the Firmament just to ensure they apply.

For updating your gear and reapplying the same glamour you had before, it's great.

For changing between multiple glamours on a whim, it's great.

It functions well for the things I frequently use it to do. It could have more features, and I'm not saying it wouldn't benefit from upgrades, but there are still things it currently does well.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Please quote anywhere I said it was non-functional.

If we need a "properly functioning" system then that implies that we don't have one. An improperly functioning system is non-functional.
09-29-2020, 04:04 AM
GrizzlyTank

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Originally Posted by Zakka

While we are at it can we expand how much normal gear you can carry as well?

Would not have been an issue if we had a glamour log. If anything they should instead seek to just merge armoury chest and the normal inventory so that we don't have to deal with the mess that is "Armory chest is full!".
09-29-2020, 04:37 AM
linayar

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Would not have been an issue if we had a glamour log. If anything they should instead seek to just merge armoury chest and the normal inventory so that we don't have to deal with the mess that is "Armory chest is full!".

I'm pretty sure you can glamour gears that are not in your armoury chest, so just put them in your inventory. The separation is useful for filtering. But yes, a glamour log would be great.