Does FF16 use FF14’s Graphics Engine? Because I’m not a fan of the way it looks..

For a next gen exclusive title (and PC haha) I have to admit I am not impressed with the visuals. FF7 Remake and FF15 looks so much more better in my opinion. I just wondered why they did this, considering Square Enix is HUGE on graphics for single player games.

Then I saw that Yoshida has a major involvement with the game. Then I was like “oh....ok that explains the graphics. he’s made it clear he’s not a fan of pretty graphics.” Not hating, I just personally don’t agree with it. Although I’m sure the story will be amazing. I really like the combat too! It looks like a mixture of devil may cry 5 and FF15!

Question is, does anyone know if FF16 uses Luminous Engine 2.0? (Same one ff14 uses) FF16 looks like FF14 single player mode basically.

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Originally Posted by TrenDeca

For a next gen exclusive title (and PC haha) I have to admit I am not impressed with the visuals. FF7 Remake and FF15 looks so much more better in my opinion. I just wondered why they did this, considering Square Enix is HUGE on graphics for single player games.

Then I saw that Yoshida has a major involvement with the game. Then I was like “oh....ok that explains the graphics. he’s made it clear he’s not a fan of pretty graphics.” Not hating, I just personally don’t agree with it. Although I’m sure the story will be amazing. I really like the combat too! It looks like a mixture of devil may cry 5 and FF15!

Question is, does anyone know if FF16 uses Luminous Engine 2.0? (Same one ff14 uses) FF16 looks like FF14 single player mode basically.

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we don't know yet, but some people say the game runs on a supercharged version of the ff14 engine, others say the ff13 crystal tools engine .

Really? :-o
I thought XVI looked closer to XV to me, at least in terms of rendering and texturing.
As for the engine, they haven't listed it yet but the last two big games SE have done, Kingdom Heart 3 and the VII Remake, were both done in Unreal 4, so I would image they might stick with that, now that they're familiar with it.

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Originally Posted by TrenDeca

For a next gen exclusive title (and PC haha) I have to admit I am not impressed with the visuals. FF7 Remake and FF15 looks so much more better in my opinion. I just wondered why they did this, considering Square Enix is HUGE on graphics for single player games.

Then I saw that Yoshida has a major involvement with the game. Then I was like “oh....ok that explains the graphics. he’s made it clear he’s not a fan of pretty graphics.” Not hating, I just personally don’t agree with it. Although I’m sure the story will be amazing. I really like the combat too! It looks like a mixture of devil may cry 5 and FF15!

Question is, does anyone know if FF16 uses Luminous Engine 2.0? (Same one ff14 uses) FF16 looks like FF14 single player mode basically.

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The faces looked very similar to 15 to me, but the environments, particles effects, textures etc were all far superior so I would guess it's using an updated Luminous Engine. FF7R used Unreal Engine 4, and while it looked good overall there were definitely some texture streaming issues present.

The texture streaming issues in FF7R are almost certainly due to hardware limitations rather than a problem with UE4 itself, and what was shown of FF16 looked like it used UE4 to me

They definitely don't use XIV engine. It was a failure used for FFXIII, and now it slows down XIV.
I'm sure they are using modified XV engine, because it looks almost identical.

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Originally Posted by Cetek14

They definitely don't use XIV engine. It was a failure used for FFXIII, and now it slows down XIV.
I'm sure they are using modified XV engine, because it looks almost identical.

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Only 1.0 ran on crystal tools. 2.x runs on a modified luminous engine.

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Originally Posted by remiff

we don't know yet, but some people say the game runs on a supercharged version of the ff14 engine, others say the ff13 crystal tools engine .

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Bad news no matter what lol. Maybe Unity next time

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Originally Posted by dangadget

The texture streaming issues in FF7R are almost certainly due to hardware limitations rather than a problem with UE4 itself, and what was shown of FF16 looked like it used UE4 to me

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Unreal Engine games have always had texture updating issues. No matter if it's old or latest version

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Originally Posted by dangadget

The texture streaming issues in FF7R are almost certainly due to hardware limitations rather than a problem with UE4 itself, and what was shown of FF16 looked like it used UE4 to me

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Eeeh... Unreal has had texture popping issues since forever so I'd be willing to pin pop in on that.

Anyway as for the visuals of FF16 it looked fine to me? Personally, though, I'm willing to trade extreme graphics for more content.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Bad news no matter what lol. Maybe Unity next time

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As someone who has dealt with unity before. Unity is horrible and that is even an understatement.

If I had to guess, it looks like a modified Crystal Tools engine. Certainly not Luminous Tools (FFXV) or Unreal 4 (FF7r). Seeing as how Yoshi P is the producer, it makes sense his team would use the engine he is most familiar with.

The charater models looks closer to FFXIV but the engine looked different then FFXIV.

It's worth noting that the FFXVI trailer included a disclaimer that it was the PS5 engine running on a PC that was emulating a PS5 (i.e., it was quite possibly captured off of a dev kit rather than real hardware). Anything else aside, I'm guessing that running on actual hardware might improve the frame rate and fluidity of things.

I like how it looked personally. Hoping the storyline is of a darker nature too :)

While I noticed that it had lost some of the realism and detail aspects of FF7R and FFXV (the dog in the trailer looked so cartoon-ish and same with some of the character models), I really don't think I will mind in the long run. Sacrificing story to push out a "prettier" game is what got mainstream FF into the hole its in right now anyway. I'd much rather have a game that just tells a coherent and compelling story over a game where all the budget went into graphics any day.

They've been moving towards Unreal so it's likely unreal engine 4 or 5. 5 isn't a big change for updating base code but it provides a huge amount of improvements such as nanite.

I hope they end up reusing the FFXV engine again for something. Seems a huge waste to develop something for 10 years only to use it for one game. I'm on console so the quality differences are not as noticable but I have to agree with function over form as long as the entire thing doesn't look like dog poop. I do hope that we see Luminous Tools again someday. It looked amazing and performed solid (on console anyway).

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FF16 looks effin amazing! :) I never got too bothered when videogames looked videogames and not movies!
I get such uncanny valley experiences from excess prettyness, so I am happy that I can trust JP developers make games which do not necessarily aim for maximum realistic visual fidelity. Stylization just always looked more pleasant to me.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

I hope they end up reusing the FFXV engine again for something. Seems a huge waste to develop something for 10 years only to use it for one game.

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I feel like we had confirmation that Project Athia is being done on Luminous, or am I misremembering? At any rate, it's being done at Luminous Studio, by the team that wrote the Luminous Engine 2.0 (and built FFXV on top of it); even if FFXVI is done on Unreal, I'd be surprised if the Athia dev team wanted to swap away from the engine they wrote (and thus likely know best).

Do we have an off topic section here. I feel like we need one with the inevitable posts about XVI that will become frequent here.

so many armchair experts in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Only 1.0 ran on crystal tools. 2.x runs on a modified luminous engine.

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This. FFXIV is the Luminous engine, but not as powerful as FFXV version. Looks more like FFXVI is running the XV Luminous.

Its produced by Yoshi P who made sure to tell us all that graphics arent everything. So chances are the graphics will take a backseat similar to xiv to have better "content". I wouldn't expect any interesting stats or difficult environments either.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Its produced by Yoshi P who made sure to tell us all that graphics arent everything.

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He's completely right about it. I'd kill to have more games cut back on graphics in favor of game play and story.

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Originally Posted by GrumbleBeard

He's completely right about it. I'd kill to have more games cut back on graphics in favor of game play and story.

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Its possible to have both but it has to be done right. If the game if fully open world then I think the graphics will take a hit. Id rather have a "smaller" open world to allow better control of assets and nicer looking graphics than a super bland open world that is open just for the sake of being open. We want to see the limitations pushed why would we buy a new console if its not going to at least look decent in the process as well?

I will gladly take a small hit in the graphics department for better gameplay. FF15 was a massive let down for me. Pretty to look at, but not overly fun to play.

My take on the state of the trailer was that it was earlier development footage, and it'll be polished up considerably later on. I think it's also all in game engine rendering, not the glossy pre rendered stuff we expect out of FF trailers, which is why it is a little less glittery than other intro videos.

I'm just hyped because I wasn't expecting XVI so soon!

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Eeeh... Unreal has had texture popping issues since forever so I'd be willing to pin pop in on that.

Anyway as for the visuals of FF16 it looked fine to me? Personally, though, I'm willing to trade extreme graphics for more content.

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There's a fair difference between mega resolutions and the gestalts we call "graphics" -- e.g. as a sum of particle drawing systems, how motion blur is handled, antistrophic filtering, ambient occlusion, and so forth, that gives a game it's distinct "style" -- though.

It doesn't take some huge number of polygons or great texture resolutions for a game to click for me, but at the same time much of the parts of a game's "graphics" are inseparable from artistic direction for me, and that will absolutely make or break my investment in a game.

At present, XVI looks mostly like XV to me, but less polished (unsurprising for now, given that it's alpha footage... though even when 15 was XIII-Versus and ran on Crystal Tools, I felt its visual direction clicked). As I'm already not particularly a fan of how Luminous looks in XV, or the limitations of the engine as far as I can guess from XIV, and the lack of polish hits where it matters most to me, the game isn't clicking for me now. But, hey, it's alpha. It's likely been in production for less time than 15 was even just between secrecy and its tentative future as XIII-Versus, still several iterations of development hell before the XV we know today.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I like how it looked personally. Hoping the storyline is of a darker nature too :)

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It does seems pretty dark to me. I mean: "Please! Joshua!! .... Wake Up!!" /blood splatterred

Looks completely fine to me. I like it. Don't know what you're smoking.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Looks completely fine to me. I like it. Don't know what you're smoking.

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It looked great to me as well. Maybe it doesn't have Call of Duty grade graphics and because of that they are upset? RPGs were always about telling a story first and foremost than to deliver on graphics. This never really changed except well, Black Desert Online where graphics were priority and story was non-existent.

Was it jaw droppingly amazing? No, not really. Did it look like 14? Honestly, yeah, but I would say this is much more due to the style than the quality of the visuals.

Overall, I think it looked great even if it didn't punch me in the face with it's "next gen-ness!!1!"

It is probably unreal engine like ffvii remake was. For people not impressed by graphics go and look at both kh3 and ffvii early trailers and compare to the final product. I have no doubt it will look pretty when it comes out.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Was it jaw droppingly amazing? No, not really. Did it look like 14? Honestly, yeah, but I would say this is much more due to the style than the quality of the visuals.

Overall, I think it looked great even if it didn't punch me in the face with it's "next gen-ness!!1!"

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let's honest the "next gen" is a mess, in terms of power is not on par with any actual gamer pc that are around.... i feel that console are holding back most of the possible evolution of the gaming industry....

It's probably an early build, it'll presumably look better later on.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

let's honest the "next gen" is a mess, in terms of power is not on par with any actual gamer pc that are around.... i feel that console are holding back most of the possible evolution of the gaming industry....

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Not entirely true. The people with the latest and greatest tech in their computers don't amount to the kind of profit that companies like Square enix are looking for. How many people do you know in your fc/linkshells with a 20 and 30 series Nvidia graphics card? It's most likely a handful.

We can kick consoles all we want, the people running PC games on their 2015 laptops are a bigger problem when it comes to holding games like FFXVI back.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Looks completely fine to me. I like it. Don't know what you're smoking.

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Has to do more with the lack of vibrant colors I'm guessing.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

We want to see the limitations pushed why would we buy a new console if its not going to at least look decent in the process as well?

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I agree I expect things to look better, but I think "look better" has over taken all else for a lot of games. When I was a kid, I was so excited for the future of videogames because if they were amazing to me then, imagine what they'll be like in the future! Well, they look pretty good but most modern games feel so shallow anymore that it's hard to get excited for them.

I know people have different priorities for what they want in games, but I personally like the way Earth Defense Force has progressed. The game still looks like a playstation 2 game, but every new one has more missions, more weapons, more enemy types and enemies on screen, etc etc.

I like the visual design of 16 from what we've been shown so far, I think the more realistic visuals are well done and I like the more grounded character designs.

I've often joked that SE needs someone in their art department whose sole job is to say "that's enough, you can stop drawing now" due to the over designed outfits they have in so many games. So seeing something more grounded the 16 trailer makes me smile.