Hydaelyn and Midgardsomr

With the Ascian arc slowly coming to a close and Zenos is supposedly going after Zodiark in the mean time, answers to some longstanding questions are coming through fairly thick and fast.

Yet we have learned loads about Zodiark and the Ascians, but not so much about Hydaelyn. Venat became her heart and is constantly chatting away, yet we haven't heard from her for quite a while, especially since Minfillia handed her power to Ryne. Ryne, according to recent dialogue despite having the echo, could not hear Hydaelyn.


Now looking back, we also have several outstanding questions about Middy that are connected- when did he arrive on the source? What is his covenant with Hydaelyn?
What is he protecting in Silvertear lake, or was before his body kicked the bucket and the seal on new primals was broken

Middy knows about Simulacrum, and more than likely does know about primals. He also knows of the Ascians and their methods and tried to temper the player somewhat.
There's also the question of him having the potential to seal away the player's echo, but Hydaelyn requested him to let us keep it even though he did strip away "the blessing of light"

Silvertear is known to be a reservoir of aether even if some of it is corrupted given bahamut and the crystal tower, hence all the crystals about.

I'm wondering- is Hydaelyn underneath mor dhona's lake then?

There's a lot of questions that Middy might be able to shed light on, and he was last left to rest at the speed of plot

If you swim in the lake in Lakeland and check out the area just to the SE of Bismark, there are big crystal formations on the floor. I assume there was or is something similar at the bottom of Silvertear. I'm wondering if the bottom of the lake is actually where the allag mined out the giant aetheryte that is the Crystal Tower in the first place. I mean the thing does look like its just one giant piece for the most part.

It wouldn't surprise me if the bottom of Silvertear/The Source/whatever-the-other-shards-call-their-version is the closest physical access point to Hydaelyn and/or the lifestream and the aetherial sea. Either that or its the spot the blow was stuck against Zodiark. Or both.

Wasn't the part about Midgardsomr guarding something within Silvertear from 1.0, and didn't they already say they abandoned that plot point from 1.0?

I think the covenant with Hydaelyn was something along the lines of Midgardsomr putting himself in Hydaelyn's service so that his children might live on that star.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

Wasn't the part about Midgardsomr guarding something within Silvertear from 1.0, and didn't they already say they abandoned that plot point from 1.0?

I think the covenant with Hydaelyn was something along the lines of Midgardsomr putting himself in Hydaelyn's service so that his children might live on that star.

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It was from 1.0, but I don't recall them saying they abandoned the concept.

"The Presence of Lake Silvertear"

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

If you swim in the lake in Lakeland and check out the area just to the SE of Bismark, there are big crystal formations on the floor. I assume there was or is something similar at the bottom of Silvertear. I'm wondering if the bottom of the lake is actually where the allag mined out the giant aetheryte that is the Crystal Tower in the first place. I mean the thing does look like its just one giant piece for the most part.

It wouldn't surprise me if the bottom of Silvertear/The Source/whatever-the-other-shards-call-their-version is the closest physical access point to Hydaelyn and/or the lifestream and the aetherial sea. Either that or its the spot the blow was stuck against Zodiark. Or both.

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Those are salt crystals. They are there for level 7X miner leve quests.
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Source_Salt_Crystal

I'd also like to add the possibility that Estinien's "business" to attend to may have to do with 2 unmet Middy children on the source.

But I'd like to note there isn't much evidence for this, just speculation.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Those are salt crystals. They are there for level 7X miner leve quests.
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Source_Salt_Crystal

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I mean... There's no real reason why Hydaelyn CAN'T be made of salt. She's made of SOME kind of crystal - why not salt crystal? D:

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I mean... There's no real reason why Hydaelyn CAN'T be made of salt. She's made of SOME kind of crystal - why not salt crystal? D:

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Well, she was made out of the collective salt of people tired of Zodiark. :p

If you watch the original FFXIV trailer, when Middy falls during the battle of Silvertear Lake a bunch of lights come out and when they turn the camera, you can see the lights are actually the primals. Ifrit and Titan are very clearly seen. Its around the 6:10 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC510DpbU0

In my head canon, they were primals captured by the allagans, which was referenced in HW. And the ascians needed to release the primal's essences so they can be summoned, thus the battle of silvertear lake was orchestrated. This makes more sense when you consider the threat of primals was a relatively new thing during v1. So it makes sense that some could have escaped capture, and were still around, but others like ifrit and titan, had to be released to up the ante.

With the current story arc seemingly set to end in 6.x, I'm hoping we'll finally learn exactly what it is Midgarsormr was watching over there (And possibly still is)...though it's entirely possible it could be a plot thread for a new story instead.

I remember seeing 'mama crystals top most point being under silvertear lake' coming up as a bit of a joke theory, but tbh, it does actually make some sense.

Could the knowledge we gained about dragons be the "Heavensward" review Yoshi-P hinted to?

Maybe like ff4's lunar whale we can ride Middy to the moon?

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

Now looking back, we also have several outstanding questions about Middy that are connected- when did he arrive on the source? What is his covenant with Hydaelyn?
What is he protecting in Silvertear lake, or was before his body kicked the bucket and the seal on new primals was broken

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I am not sure if you've done the Omega raids, but a lot about Middy is explained there. In case you have not, I will avoid to mention any major of spoilers. As you already know, Midgarsormr sired whom all dragonkin refer to as "The First Brood". iirc, we don't know exactly when he arrived. We only know it was sometime before the 6th Astral era as this is when his physical form was killed. It is likely that Hydaelyn suffered several joinings before his arrival. That said, his arrival would have to be sometime between the 2nd and 5th Astral eras.

The pact he made with Hydaelyn allowed him and his children to establish their new domain on this star. Silvertear was a pristine location lush with vegetation, water, and magic (I always thought of it as a garden of Eden - of sorts); and in exchange for Hydaelyn's refuge from Omega, he was to oversea the Silvertear Lake. I don't think he was guarding anything in particular other than just making sure Silvertear remains unmolested. If there was anything there, it's gone now. Silvertear is a wasteland now, that does nothing but attract vile beasts who are drawn the surrounding corrupted aether.

Midgarsormr is ancient, and probably as close to being omniscient without being God. However, he has not shown an ability to seal the Echo. I'm not quite sure if you are confusing this with the Blessing of Light. The latter acts as a shield and is what Middy striped from the WoL. The Echo is a latent ability that is as much part of those who possess it as is a thought within their minds. We are still learning about the Echo.

Hydaelyn doesn't really possess a corporeal form they way we understand it, so she's not stashed underneath a lake. Typically when we think of Hydaelyn's 'form', she is the giant mothercrystal whom speaks to us in the cutscenes we have with her. Where this is actually located? Again, I don't think it is within the character's comprehension as 'where' does not exist. Middy probably could answer a few questions, but we know how he is. He sees matters like this as trivial and not even worth his time.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

iirc, we don't know exactly when he arrived. We only know it was sometime before the 6th Astral era as this is when his physical form was killed. It is likely that Hydaelyn suffered several joinings before his arrival. That said, his arrival would have to be sometime between the 2nd and 5th Astral eras.

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On this specifically, Midgardsormr's coming has to be in the Third Astral Era at the very latest, since of course Bahamut and Tiamat are already around in the Third Astral Era to oppose Allag, as well as Omega to be studied by the Allagans.

Midgardsormr arrived to Hydaelyn with 7 eggs.
By the 3rd Astral Era, the First Brood had already been around for a long time. Each had their own broods already, and were waging war with Allag.
Midgardsormr himself says he arrived at the beginning of time if I recall.
It's unclear when this is though.
I would say 1st Astral Era at the latest, but likely during the Age of the Gods. After the Sundering, but before the 1st Umbral Calamity. During Good King Mog's time.
I would even go as far as to say that the "Gods" the Moogles served in the Churning Mists before their exodus following the 1st Umbral Calamity were likely dragons.
I like to think all 7 of the First Brood resided there in the beginning when they were hatchlings. With Bahamut and Tiamat later leaving and making their home in Meracydia.