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    Hydaelyn and Midgardsomr

    With the Ascian arc slowly coming to a close and Zenos is supposedly going after Zodiark in the mean time, answers to some longstanding questions are coming through fairly thick and fast.

    Yet we have learned loads about Zodiark and the Ascians, but not so much about Hydaelyn. Venat became her heart and is constantly chatting away, yet we haven't heard from her for quite a while, especially since Minfillia handed her power to Ryne. Ryne, according to recent dialogue despite having the echo, could not hear Hydaelyn.


    Now looking back, we also have several outstanding questions about Middy that are connected- when did he arrive on the source? What is his covenant with Hydaelyn?
    What is he protecting in Silvertear lake, or was before his body kicked the bucket and the seal on new primals was broken

    Middy knows about Simulacrum, and more than likely does know about primals. He also knows of the Ascians and their methods and tried to temper the player somewhat.
    There's also the question of him having the potential to seal away the player's echo, but Hydaelyn requested him to let us keep it even though he did strip away "the blessing of light"

    Silvertear is known to be a reservoir of aether even if some of it is corrupted given bahamut and the crystal tower, hence all the crystals about.

    I'm wondering- is Hydaelyn underneath mor dhona's lake then?

    There's a lot of questions that Middy might be able to shed light on, and he was last left to rest at the speed of plot
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    If you swim in the lake in Lakeland and check out the area just to the SE of Bismark, there are big crystal formations on the floor. I assume there was or is something similar at the bottom of Silvertear. I'm wondering if the bottom of the lake is actually where the allag mined out the giant aetheryte that is the Crystal Tower in the first place. I mean the thing does look like its just one giant piece for the most part.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the bottom of Silvertear/The Source/whatever-the-other-shards-call-their-version is the closest physical access point to Hydaelyn and/or the lifestream and the aetherial sea. Either that or its the spot the blow was stuck against Zodiark. Or both.
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    Wasn't the part about Midgardsomr guarding something within Silvertear from 1.0, and didn't they already say they abandoned that plot point from 1.0?

    I think the covenant with Hydaelyn was something along the lines of Midgardsomr putting himself in Hydaelyn's service so that his children might live on that star.
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    I'm taking Lore way too seriously. And I'm not sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicaRuin View Post
    Wasn't the part about Midgardsomr guarding something within Silvertear from 1.0, and didn't they already say they abandoned that plot point from 1.0?

    I think the covenant with Hydaelyn was something along the lines of Midgardsomr putting himself in Hydaelyn's service so that his children might live on that star.
    It was from 1.0, but I don't recall them saying they abandoned the concept.
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    "The Presence of Lake Silvertear"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleluia View Post
    If you swim in the lake in Lakeland and check out the area just to the SE of Bismark, there are big crystal formations on the floor. I assume there was or is something similar at the bottom of Silvertear. I'm wondering if the bottom of the lake is actually where the allag mined out the giant aetheryte that is the Crystal Tower in the first place. I mean the thing does look like its just one giant piece for the most part.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the bottom of Silvertear/The Source/whatever-the-other-shards-call-their-version is the closest physical access point to Hydaelyn and/or the lifestream and the aetherial sea. Either that or its the spot the blow was stuck against Zodiark. Or both.
    Those are salt crystals. They are there for level 7X miner leve quests.
    https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Source_Salt_Crystal
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    I'd also like to add the possibility that Estinien's "business" to attend to may have to do with 2 unmet Middy children on the source.

    But I'd like to note there isn't much evidence for this, just speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Those are salt crystals. They are there for level 7X miner leve quests.
    https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Source_Salt_Crystal
    I mean... There's no real reason why Hydaelyn CAN'T be made of salt. She's made of SOME kind of crystal - why not salt crystal? D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    I mean... There's no real reason why Hydaelyn CAN'T be made of salt. She's made of SOME kind of crystal - why not salt crystal? D:
    Well, she was made out of the collective salt of people tired of Zodiark.
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    If you watch the original FFXIV trailer, when Middy falls during the battle of Silvertear Lake a bunch of lights come out and when they turn the camera, you can see the lights are actually the primals. Ifrit and Titan are very clearly seen. Its around the 6:10 mark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC510DpbU0

    In my head canon, they were primals captured by the allagans, which was referenced in HW. And the ascians needed to release the primal's essences so they can be summoned, thus the battle of silvertear lake was orchestrated. This makes more sense when you consider the threat of primals was a relatively new thing during v1. So it makes sense that some could have escaped capture, and were still around, but others like ifrit and titan, had to be released to up the ante.
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