Terncliff [Werlyt Spoilers]

If you have not completed the latest shadows of Werlyt questline and you do not want to be spoiled please tern back.

Bad pun aside you have been warned. :p

Terncliff is a BEAUTIFUL city state and I want it to be expanded upon. If this is the first place we start in when we get our Ilsabard expansion, color me interested. The Greek cliff side inspiration is very well done. In fact I may say that it would be my favorite city state design to date.

It would not be the first time a solo instance became a regular town itself. The Doman Enclave became a town after it's initial patch debut.

I hope after the Werlyt storyline is over that it is not all we see of this beautiful place. Perhaps due to the nature of the patch cycle it will continue to grow into an actual zone. I could see 5.4 allowing a little bit more background behind it, with 5.5. using it as an alliance staging point for Garlemald. It seems like the populace would be keen on supporting the alliance based on resistance NPCs and the residents interactions with them.

Such a great location, would be a waste for it to just be used in one patch and that's it. They basically created a city half of a city state, would be a shame not to complete it. The only question is, would they use it again in 6.0 even though it's part of 5.0?

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Such a great location, would be a waste for it to just be used in one patch and that's it. They basically created a city half of a city state, would be a shame not to complete it. The only question is, would they use it again in 6.0 even though it's part of 5.0?

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I think they could. The lore states that the Garleans took it to mine for their airship industry. Its obviously an important player in eliminating the Garlean threat. It also seems to help that it's people fought and failed at liberation. It's in a similar situation that Ala Mhigo and Doma were in, and it is ripe for saving. Plus it would give us a clear and easy entry point for our own air ships, which has been a major problem even up to now. Doma had to build an energy wall as a temporary solution to that problem. Barely anyone can get to Ilsabard because of the constant threat of a great number of Garlean ships.

If I were to hazard a guess the only hope of Terncliff becoming its own zone is if it's connected to the rest of the Ilsabard expansion / weapon questline or has a large player support for its expansion into full city. Plenty of cool zones trapped behind instances still.

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Originally Posted by Kiurai

If I were to hazard a guess the only hope of Terncliff becoming its own zone is if it's connected to the rest of the Ilsabard expansion / weapon questline or has a large player support for its expansion into full city. Plenty of cool zones trapped behind instances still.

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After the treatment of the other cities in FFXV, I would find an abandonment of Terncliff from the devs to be disheartening. Tenebrae, Solheim, and other places that weren't expanded on or touched on enough were extremely disheartening and I'd like to see that as little as possible from now on In this series. If it's barely relevant and isn't going to be used later, I most likely do not want to see it.

I know that XV is not XIV, but how XIV acts going forward WILL affect how games under the Square Enix banner are treated and developed going forward. Companies do evolve and regress on things overtime. I only pray that this game is handled well into the future.

I also see this city as a test for Thavnair. Same architecture so the assets don't go waste.
We'll see though, that area is so well designed for it to just be a test or part of a mini story and that's it.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I also see this city as a test for Thavnair. Same architecture so the assets don't go waste.
We'll see though, that area is so well designed for it to just be a test or part of a mini story and that's it.

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Thavnair is supposed to parallel aht urhgan. and ive been dying to see any cities in Thavnair as soon as i saw the glam and jobs for them

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I also see this city as a test for Thavnair. Same architecture so the assets don't go waste.
We'll see though, that area is so well designed for it to just be a test or part of a mini story and that's it.

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I sat in front of the Thavnair Consulate and then promptly went to Tirncliff. What I found was that though they have a few similarities, they are remarkably different. Thavnairs roofs are a deeper blue while Tirncliffs are much brighter in pigment. They both have a dome like structure in their building style, but the Thavnairians seem more octogon in design than the circular Tirncliff buildings. Then if you look at the walls themselves, the Tirncliff buildings are way simpler than the ornate Thavnairian ones. Even the color is a different rock. I don't think it's quite as similar as you would think.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I sat in front of the Thavnair Consulate and then promptly went to Tirncliff. What I found was that though they have a few similarities, they are remarkably different. Thavnairs roofs are a deeper blue while Tirncliffs are much brighter in pigment. They both have a dome like structure in their building style, but the Thavnairians seem more octogon in design than the circular Tirncliff buildings. Then if you look at the walls themselves, the Tirncliff buildings are way simpler than the ornate Thavnairian ones. Even the color is a different rock. I don't think it's quite as similar as you would think.

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Good find. This could be one of those things where instead of going to Garlemald proper 6.0 will be all about its colonies. What we've seen of Garlemald is not something I'd personally make an expansion around. Metal junk buildings and snow.
Compare Garlemald to Terncliff and I'd definitely rather be there than in Garlemald. This could be the first expansion where we get 3 new city states (if you count places like Eulmore as a city state).
I also noticed how the townspeople there are wearing clothing made specifically for them, nothing re-used from what we can wear (maybe a few pants here and there).

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I sat in front of the Thavnair Consulate and then promptly went to Tirncliff. What I found was that though they have a few similarities, they are remarkably different. Thavnairs roofs are a deeper blue while Tirncliffs are much brighter in pigment. They both have a dome like structure in their building style, but the Thavnairians seem more octogon in design than the circular Tirncliff buildings. Then if you look at the walls themselves, the Tirncliff buildings are way simpler than the ornate Thavnairian ones. Even the color is a different rock. I don't think it's quite as similar as you would think.

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But Thavnair isnt a Garleon province they are the only nation besides Hingashi to have a peacful resolve due to thier resources...but i have reason to believe this peace will be broken very soon due to whats become of the most sensible people in Garlemald now run by Charles Manson and his imaginary friend

I think they built a lot of these assets, fleshed out the lore, composed this excellent piece, for future use yeah. I am going to guess the Populares isn't dead-dead and was instead driven underground, and 6.0 will be espionage themed trying to take Garlemald apart from the inside.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

I think they built a lot of these assets, fleshed out the lore, composed this excellent piece, for future use yeah. I am going to guess the Populares isn't dead-dead and was instead driven underground, and 6.0 will be espionage themed trying to take Garlemald apart from the inside.

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True they yet to be our sole allies in that hellscape of civil unrest and capital corruption....oh dear

I love that town so much, I stayed in there long because I wasn't even sure you could go back. I would absolutely love to have it expanded, otherwise it would be a huge waste of resources and of an awesome design.
It's also funny because both the new trial and the new dungeon were made with reused locations and no new one, while we got a new time for werlyt...and no reason to go back there apart from taking screenshots and playing TT.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

I love that town so much, I stayed in there long because I wasn't even sure you could go back. I would absolutely love to have it expanded, otherwise it would be a huge waste of resources and of an awesome design.
It's also funny because both the new trial and the new dungeon were made with reused locations and no new one, while we got a new time for werlyt...and no reason to go back there apart from taking screenshots and playing TT.

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I theorize that at the least it will be expanded upon during the sorrows of Werlyt quests. It seems like Terncliff is designed as the future hub for the weapon quests. Hopefully that won't mean the destruction of the town. Some NPCs comment quite ominously on the town's unknown fate. Hopefully Yoshi P isn't planning to burn it.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I theorize that at the least it will be expanded upon during the sorrows of Werlyt quests. It seems like Terncliff is designed as the future hub for the weapon quests. Hopefully that won't mean the destruction of the town. Some NPCs comment quite ominously on the town's unknown fate. Hopefully Yoshi P isn't planning to burn it.

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If they were to destroy it as part of the questline I would be sooo sad! So far I've only been singing praises for that questline so I hope that doesn't change.

Given how much time and effort they put into not only the town area but the whole mech fight itself (special mechanics, animations, a better tutorial than you get for most of the regular game, etc.) I would be shocked if they didn't re-use it again.

I'm not the only one who was reminded of Junon, right?

Terncliffe was a brilliant new location, with its own unique theme no less, so I'd be surprised if we didn't seen more of it.

It seemed like somewhere right out of FF8, like Dollet and Balamb combined and thrown on a cliff.
I also think an espionage heavy plot in overthrowing the Garlean seat of power would suit 6.0 and locations like this too.

But... it may simply end up as the new hub for this trial series, as we still have 2 more weapons to go.

I'm really interested in visiting Ilsabard as a proper region if we get to see more cities of this sort.

It's much more...picturesque then I was expecting, though I assume the further north and closer to Garlemald one goes, the more desolate the land gets.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I'm not the only one who was reminded of Junon, right?

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There's even an NPC that says we should just have killed Sapphire with a Cannon :p

But yeah, it's odd how it's so fleshed out when we're there for a few quests. It's even the hangar for our fancy new mech, too, so it really feels like (the start of) a hub.

It's maybe my single favorite non-combat zone in the game so far, like the aesthetic is just perfect.

Hopefully we get to see more.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

It's maybe my single favorite non-combat zone in the game so far, like the aesthetic is just perfect.

Hopefully we get to see more.

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I keep scanning around as much as I can to try to guess where an aetherite might get installed. :P

It would be sad to see it vanish, making it akin to Doman Enclave would be neat. It's very pretty . . . Again I'm impressed with the whole of ShB.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Good find. This could be one of those things where instead of going to Garlemald proper 6.0 will be all about its colonies. What we've seen of Garlemald is not something I'd personally make an expansion around. Metal junk buildings and snow.
Compare Garlemald to Terncliff and I'd definitely rather be there than in Garlemald. This could be the first expansion where we get 3 new city states (if you count places like Eulmore as a city state).
I also noticed how the townspeople there are wearing clothing made specifically for them, nothing re-used from what we can wear (maybe a few pants here and there).

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Personally hope Garlemald area we saw gets touched up some more, for their extreme might and wealth it seemed way too bleak to the point of being a caricature of 'evil empire'. In a real life comparison our empires often had pretty grand and "we stole all your stuff, have loads of money, look at this pure gold building we built with it 'lol'" vibes to them instead. Or perhaps we just saw the military side of it, and there is a different civilian section lol.

For one of the most mighty organizations, I didn't feel it 'felt' right. Although if we're not meant to ever go there and meant to just burn it all to the ground then I guess whatever, but I feel that's not very suitable to the story of FFXIV it has so far which tends to be pretty nuanced (minus maybe one or two specific actors). So I don't feel like evil galactic empire with no soul and arts is the right imagery (depression r us), but if we think like real empires and not caricatures then they tend to have some pretty incredible works. We've clearly a huge bone to pick but to raze a city seems uncharacteristic, at least purposefully, could see one of the other wild actors dropping a meteor on it or something for a super primal summoning or something (in effect razing it, but not via our choice). In such a situation that we're going to free it from it's troubles then I'd like the town to not look like a prison :p. Due to the weather of course it'll still have some bleak elements but with all their tech I'm surprised there wasn't more technological colors and grandeur, with all the darkness and snow at least colors seems to be a frequent choice for places that deal with that. Anyway, hoping for some more changes to the place then our few clips so far. Even if it doesn't go bright and tries to stay dark, hopefully not giving people vibes like metal junk buildings :D.

dunno, but to me it feels what the weapons story will be mandatory, it feels like they will likely use that city in the expansion as the entrace to where the expansion will take place, that and the g-warrior

Think it will be used again in future (expansion?) wouldn’t put the time and resources to make a new town just for five minutes in a side quest.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

It would be sad to see it vanish, making it akin to Doman Enclave would be neat. It's very pretty . . . Again I'm impressed with the whole of ShB.



Personally hope Garlemald area we saw gets touched up some more, for their extreme might and wealth it seemed way too bleak to the point of being a caricature of 'evil empire'. In a real life comparison our empires often had pretty grand and "we stole all your stuff, have loads of money, look at this pure gold building we built with it 'lol'" vibes to them instead. Or perhaps we just saw the military side of it, and there is a different civilian section lol.

For one of the most mighty organizations, I didn't feel it 'felt' right. Although if we're not meant to ever go there and meant to just burn it all to the ground then I guess whatever, but I feel that's not very suitable to the story of FFXIV it has so far which tends to be pretty nuanced (minus maybe one or two specific actors). So I don't feel like evil galactic empire with no soul and arts is the right imagery (depression r us), but if we think like real empires and not caricatures then they tend to have some pretty incredible works. We've clearly a huge bone to pick but to raze a city seems uncharacteristic, at least purposefully, could see one of the other wild actors dropping a meteor on it or something for a super primal summoning or something (in effect razing it, but not via our choice). In such a situation that we're going to free it from it's troubles then I'd like the town to not look like a prison :p. Due to the weather of course it'll still have some bleak elements but with all their tech I'm surprised there wasn't more technological colors and grandeur, with all the darkness and snow at least colors seems to be a frequent choice for places that deal with that. Anyway, hoping for some more changes to the place then our few clips so far. Even if it doesn't go bright and tries to stay dark, hopefully not giving people vibes like metal junk buildings :D.

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To be fair we had no evolving area like Idyllshire, More Dohna, or the Enclave. I find that a bit suspicous. It could also be that the first is only a side adventure tied into the main adventure. Because of the firsts nature of origin to the story there may be no need.

Though it would be nice to restore it a little more.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

To be fair we had no evolving area like Idyllshire, More Dohna, or the Enclave. I find that a bit suspicous. It could also be that the first is only a side adventure tied into the main adventure. Because of the firsts nature of origin to the story there may be no need.

Though it would be nice to restore it a little more.

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We have the Firmament.
It might not be a ShB zone but it's in the ShB expac.