Fine, lets trade then!

If you want to make WAR either out tank me or make it close to doing so...then give me an option to be a decent DD. Why give them either option and me as a gladiator only one?
Fair trade right?

Sounds like I'm complaining I know, but Gladiator has had the short stick of the group in every stage of development. Heck at one point I had to choose between leveling my shield OR my sword when the game was out for a while. Feel free to go a little farther with us in terms of balance, because the estimated balance for us thus far has been weak in almost every regard.

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Originally Posted by Keramory

If you want to make WAR either out tank me or make it close to doing so...then give me an option to be a decent DD.

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I am totally okay with this.

Anything would be nice, unique party buffs or the ability to main heal.. ANYTHING. Paladin has nothing going for it over Warrior except the ability to kite slightly better and that is a niche role. Give us active blocking back with the 50% or so reduction that it used to give.

I made this suggestion before, if classes are solo, then glad/pld should have a guard stance. When in guard stance you block often. When not in guard you DD goes up and you dont block anymore.

Waiting for a sword weilding dd... can I has it???

Dual welding swords?

{Can i have it?}

When this game first came out, I chose Gladiator cause they use daggers. Here I thought i would be able to play THF... I was so excited. Only to find out that you can't dual wield and later found out all the THF abilities were more or less removed from the game.

Since the recent poll that SE posted, I would be excited to see that GLA will be able to get a second role of THF and be able to dual wield daggers and start to out DD Warriors... Only one could hope right... THF {CAN I HAVE IT!!?!?!}

It makes me sad that PLD is nearly useless now...yeah it either needs some kind of DD output or needs sick DEF so its on par with WAR. I love both jobs don't get me wrong. I don't even understand what their role is atm...lol.

Seems like every patch WAR and PLD take turns (or gla and mrd whichever) in being good and other one being gimp...can you please balance them already ><

Give us, Paladins, A GreatSword to do DD :P

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Originally Posted by Sfarzoso

Give us, Paladins, A GreatSword to do DD :P

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That's... actually not a half bad idea really, it's still technically a sword you could restrict use of a shield with a Great Sword equipped. Great Sword damage could actually be ON PAR with Lances or G.Axes to turn GLA/PLD into a decent DD, and their Weaponskill Limitations and loss of shield skills would keep them from being OP, while giving GLA/PLD some much needed role diversity.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

That's... actually not a half bad idea really, it's still technically a sword you could restrict use of a shield with a Great Sword equipped. Great Sword damage could actually be ON PAR with Lances or G.Axes to turn GLA/PLD into a decent DD, and their Weaponskill Limitations and loss of shield skills would keep them from being OP, while giving GLA/PLD some much needed role diversity.

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having no shield would make you lose a ton of skill, great sword will be for new job or class

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

having no shield would make you lose a ton of skill, great sword will be for new job or class

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I was thinking it would be useful for times we weren't tanking, like when we get stuck with extra PLD/GLA or two who don't have other jobs leveled at LS events or to help PLD be a more viable choice burning through trash mobs or doing speedruns when tanking isn't an issue. It would still be FAR from ideal but it would give us a few more options outside of our core role. At least that's just my personal opinion.

Why not, we got daggers after all lol.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

I was thinking it would be useful for times we weren't tanking, like when we get stuck with extra PLD/GLA or two who don't have other jobs leveled at LS events or to help PLD be a more viable choice burning through trash mobs or doing speedruns when tanking isn't an issue. It would still be FAR from ideal but it would give us a few more options outside of our core role. At least that's just my personal opinion.

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outmaneuver, shield bash, pld combo, aegis boon,war drum that's 6 skills right of the top of my head you couldn't use, then if your not tanking you wouldn't need flash, cover, hallowed ground

so that's 9 skills lost to a glad/pld dd with no shield. doesn't seem worth it.

Save for maybe Shield Bash as a form of stun, we wouldn't be using most of those abilities anyways in non-tanking situations. So why not have an option to increase our DPS when we're not tanking, that's really all I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

Save for maybe Shield Bash as a form of stun, we wouldn't be using most of those abilities anyways in non-tanking situations. So why not have an option to increase our DPS when we're not tanking, that's really all I'm saying.

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my point is whats the point of having a DD in party with half a skill set. Why would anyone pick a glad over a dragoon for dd.

I think glad should have stances mainly so that you can raise def and shield when tanking and raise attack when soloing.

I agree, like I said though the situations utilizing it would be far from ideal and I know I'm talking about the most extreme cases here to be legitimately using it. Either way I wouldn't mind having a higher DPS weapon option just for such extreme cases. There's no saying we couldn't add other bonuses too having a G.Sword either though, since were sacrificing so much on our defensive side without a shield why not throw something like all WS's become AOE (Conal/360). Half our WS's have us spin in a circle anyways, you could say the extra reach of the G.Sword lets you hit multiple enemies.

Frankly I wouldn't mind such stances either, as long as they give us some true form of mitigation not just another defense boosting JA.

Here's an Idea for a trait.

Last Stand- When HP reaches a critical stage, all forms of damage are reduced by -50% for 5-10 seconds.

Call it a critical save for those moments your about dead and WHM's might not be able to get a cure off on you before the Mobs next attack which could potentially kill you. It won't always save your hide though depending how far in the red you went beforehand, but it gives you a fighting chance.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

I agree, like I said though the situations utilizing it would be far from ideal and I know I'm talking about the most extreme cases here to be legitimately using it. Either way I wouldn't mind having a higher DPS weapon option just for such extreme cases. There's no saying we couldn't add other bonuses too having a G.Sword either though, since were sacrificing so much on our defensive side without a shield why not throw something like all WS's become AOE (Conal/360). Half our WS's have us spin in a circle anyways, you could say the extra reach of the G.Sword lets you hit multiple enemies.

Frankly I wouldn't mind such stances either, as long as they give us some true form of mitigation not just another defense boosting JA.

Here's an Idea for a trait.

Last Stand- When HP reaches a critical stage, all forms of damage are reduced by -50% for 5-10 seconds.

Call it a critical save for those moments your about dead and WHM's might not be able to get a cure off on you before the Mobs next attack which could potentially kill you. It won't always save your hide though depending how far in the red you went beforehand, but it gives you a fighting chance.

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i wouldn't be opposed to a higher dps sword that can only be used with a low block shield or something. but when you get into these types of mechanics it starts to sound like a new class or job.

The original concept of grad, and in the lore, was that some gladiators may choose to not wield a shield. So when i started i thought there was a stance option for dps or something. Most original game lore has been decimated though and a lot of things don't really make sense anymore.

also if anyone's started a new char as glad, do they still start glad out with no shield( i couldn't find a shield til i was like lvl 20)

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Waiting for a sword weilding dd... can I has it???

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Agreed, I've wanted this since the game came out. Whether it's Samurai or Fencer (as the old data mining suggested) or something new, I just really want a DD sword class (preferably a normal sized sword and not a greatsword).

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Originally Posted by Signy

Dual welding swords?

{Can i have it?}

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Throwing my money at your post and nothing is happening.
MAKE IT SO.