Please fix alliance roulette

As someone said in another post, people forcing ARR raids to pop up is messing up with the whole purpose of roulettes. It has become a boring hell of a content and shoudn't be ignored.

Roulette's min iLv needs to be the iLv requirement of the highest raid you have available on your current job so that people can't force a ARR raid every time they queue.

Please devs, do something about it. Its an easy fix and will make a lot of people happy.

It would make me very happy, that's for sure.

I like getting a random duty because it adds some degree of excitement instead of knowing exactly what you're getting, but alliance raid roulette definitely stopped being fun when I could probably win money by betting it would be Labyrinth of the Ancients.

I am aware that the Crystal Tower raids are required for certain story things now, but when you arrive and see 2-3 people suddenly change clothes and have a bit more health, it's pretty clear how you ended up there, and it's not because anyone is new. The rest of us shouldn't be punished for someone else's laziness.

The whole point of roulette is that you are given bonus loot and exp for filling in spots that people are queuing to run. You dont get a choice, it's not meant to be varied, it's purely there to fill in spots.

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Originally Posted by Anya_Synia

You dont get a choice

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You're right. Which is why people shouldn't be allowed to unequip gear to choose to do lower level raids on purpose. They should be required to have the minimum ilevel for the highest tier of raids they have unlocked that are available for their current job.

You don't get to have a double standard where people can exploit that but we can't wish to have equal access to all duties in a raid. You're right, the point of roulettes is that you get rewards for filling in spots. So people should get what they get, whether it's Labyrinth of the Ancients or Copied Factory. They shouldn't be able to choose lower level ones because they think it's easier.

Problem is the scaling in FFXIV is so broken, it should NOT be possible to skip whole boss phases simply, easeir sure with higher gear but not like this i mean you skip Alexander 1 completly even when it was new, the gearscore is whay to high, making such old content way to easy so of coruse people will want such due reward is the same as the higher raid, since Raids itself not reall give much XP aswell except bosses, but others won't care for such anymore, only wanting stones from it so they go the easy road.

Those raids need te be equal, old and lower or not, you are synced down after all, not go in unsynced, FFXIV has a real problem with this, making me sad how people not even know bosses, for god sake i had one tiem Crystal Tower, bad lags, 5-6 people had DC and we wiped at Glasyas or what he is called, and people aborted the raid, becaues they couldn't hassle to even listen a minute how this fight normally works, i also had Cloud of Darkness the worms appear, you ahve no idea how confused people got becasue they never seen them, skipping mechanics like this should not be possible synced. The scalign needs ot heavily tuned down or adjsut bosses to make there phases appear way earlier so people godamn learn things, also get used ot it and make raids equal in that regard as said, so there is simply no "easy way" anymore, same for dungeons.

I like this game for its story but gameplay wise you see how they have no clue to design such encounters, yes there first MMO ever it was said but, you would iamgine they learned by now, on top of with the filler rework in ARR thae we should also get soem dungeon and raid rework maybe. easy yes but not braindead.

I absolutely agree with this. The purpose of roulettes is not only to grant a large EXp bonus to people who complete it but also to assist people who need to get the duties flat out done get people. Because of those who cheat the system, people who are trying to do higher level raids (SB mostly with HW and Copied Factory close behind) aren't getting their parties filled. On a personal note, I also prefer to actually do something new everyday instead of end up locked into LotA or ST every single time. Ivalice and Void Ark raids were so fun so I love seeing them when they rarely pop up. I would also venture to add that a ilvl sync should be applied individually to each dungeon in order to force a difficulty increase, but ya'll know how people feel about dealing with anything remotely long, difficult and "casual". From both ends of the player spectrum.

At least reduce the ilevel you get synced to when you go in so we can actually do mechanics instead of slapping a dummy for 2 minutes and then running to the next room. :T

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Originally Posted by Roda

At least reduce the ilevel you get synced to when you go in so we can actually do mechanics instead of slapping a dummy for 2 minutes and then running to the next room. :T

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I second this, Unreal Crystal Tower sounds litty

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I second this, Unreal Crystal Tower sounds litty

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Ran a minimum item level syrcus tower the other week and it was the perfect difficulty for alliance roulette. The mechanics were significant, but not overwhelming. Any pug could complete it like that, even ones fresh out of msq.

orrrrrrrr add cutscene skips and make those raids 5 minutes long. It makes no sense why this has not been fixed yet.

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Originally Posted by ray_lunaria

As someone said in another post, people forcing ARR raids to pop up is messing up with the whole purpose of roulettes. It has become a boring hell of a content and shoudn't be ignored.

Roulette's min iLv needs to be the iLv requirement of the highest raid you have available on your current job so that people can't force a ARR raid every time they queue.

Please devs, do something about it. Its an easy fix and will make a lot of people happy.

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This ignores the minimum item level of the raid. What if I am Level 70, but I only did Deep Dungeon, and have only level 50 gear, but the roulette places me into Orbonne?

I have two possible suggestions. Make the minimum item level consider your maximum item level possible with gear in your Armoury Chest and Inventory. Most players will not go so far as to store their gear in their retainer or saddlebag just to skip a queue, so this should help.


Or, if possible, sync the player's stats up to the minimum item level of the duty. This would make all ilvl cheese impossible.

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Originally Posted by Luin

This ignores the minimum item level of the raid. What if I am Level 70, but I only did Deep Dungeon, and have only level 50 gear, but the roulette places me into Orbonne?

I have two possible suggestions. Make the minimum item level consider your maximum item level possible with gear in your Armoury Chest and Inventory. Most players will not go so far as to store their gear in their retainer or saddlebag just to skip a queue, so this should help.


Or, if possible, sync the player's stats up to the minimum item level of the duty. This would make all ilvl cheese impossible.

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Yeah. I don't like the idea of "you have to be at the highest iLevel to queue into the roulette", because what if I'm trying to earn the endgame tomestones I need to get better gear?

But on the flispide, I also don't like the idea of people actively forcing the roulette to not behave like a roulette. So there's negatives no matter which way you go, and it's best to find the way that aggravates the least people.

Right or wrong - why the heck would anyone want to force LotA again and again and again. I'm so bored of it.
If you don't want to play any of the game that much - why even bother queuing?

They force the first two raids so that they can get exp without having to try. Without having to play or learn their class. The first two raids are too easy(specifically, tuned to too low an ilvl versus the sync they set to), and the reward for doing them is too much. I used to que for alliance 3-7 days a week because i enjoyed the larger instances and groups. I stopped when the cheaters made the "Alliance" roulette into the "LotA/Syrcus" roulette. I know im not the only one who doesnt que this anymore. If you took the CT raids out id go back to queing a few days a week. I would also favor cutting the exp for the lower level raids. Say when you hit 60 the CT raids only gave half exp. Then cut it in half again at 70. Accompany these changes with the deletion of the MSQ roulette(castrum and prae become trust instances like they always should have been - ultima is split out as its own 8 man trial for a climax). Then for good measure, ban anyone who ever unequipped gear to force a low level instance.

you can queue to the specified alliance you wanna do, otherwise you don't have a real reason to go for the alliance roulette or any other roulette for that matter. there are alternative ways to cap your tomes or make gil. if getting matched with randoms or newer players gets on your nerves or causes you stress, quit spamming roulettes and look for alternative ways that are fun for you to progress.

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Originally Posted by RebirthOfHades

you can queue to the specified alliance you wanna do, otherwise you don't have a real reason to go for the alliance roulette or any other roulette for that matter. there are alternative ways to cap your tomes or make gil. if getting matched with randoms or newer players gets on your nerves or causes you stress, quit spamming roulettes and look for alternative ways that are fun for you to progress.

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...read the post again. This is about getting the same low level 24man over and over and over and over again because people abuse the ilvl check on alliance raid roulette by lowering their own ilvl to a point where they can literally only get the level 50 raids.

We're not talking about getting matched into LotA, Cyrcus Tower or World of Darkness because of new players, we're talking about lazy players abusing a flaw of the ilvl check for the roulette.

It defeats the entire purpose of a roulette in the first place if all you're ever getting is the same boring thing.

since the crystal tower raids are now essential to move the story along they should be moved over to main scenario roulette

theyre already boring because of the skill cull anyway, the beginning of lota makes me want to punch a wall so seeing it get banished to main scenario would make my heart warm.

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Originally Posted by RebirthOfHades

you can queue to the specified alliance you wanna do

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And here lies another problem with the people who force the Crystal Tower raids in the roulette: Because so many people get sucked into the lvl 50 raids you have to wait a long time for the other raids to pop. The roulette was supposed to help with the queues for all the outdated alliance raids. But at this point the system gets abused in a way that they might as well remove the roulette from the game. It does not fulfill the purspose for wich it was added for - wich was definitely not to increase the rewards for LotA.

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Originally Posted by Acelyn

since the crystal tower raids are now essential to move the story along they should be moved over to main scenario roulette

theyre already boring because of the skill cull anyway, the beginning of lota makes me want to punch a wall so seeing it get banished to main scenario would make my heart warm.

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all roulettes have the same number of players/roles for the duties within. Crystal Tower can never be part of MSQ because MSQ is matching 2/2/4 while alliance raids need to match 3 parties of 1/2/5

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

all roulettes have the same number of players/roles for the duties within. Crystal Tower can never be part of MSQ because MSQ is matching 2/2/4 while alliance raids need to match 3 parties of 1/2/5

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The Guildhest Roulette is able to match either 1/1/2 or 2/2/4, so I think it would be possible. But of course just like with the Guildhest Roulette you could force Castrum to pop by queueing up with 2 tanks in party - or even better force Crystal Tower with 5 dps.

Or they add a MSQ Alliance roulette since that would contain 3 different instances (LoA, ST, WoD). I doubt one more roulette is going to cause problems and it will help to partially solve the other problem of getting groups for the 60/70 Alliance raids since players would have the option to queue for the one they prefer, or for both if they like them all.

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Originally Posted by Anya_Synia

You dont get a choice, it's not meant to be varied, it's purely there to fill in spots.

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I hope im reading this right but:

You dont get a choice is right. Which is why people should just suck it up and expect Orbanne Monastery when in queue to alliance raids. If people who queue naked have a choice, why shouldnt I have choice (of more than 2 crystal towers)?

It IS meant to be varied. It is NOT roulette if there is only 50% chance of World of darkness, 24% Syrcus tower and 24% Labyrinth. And 0.50% for copied/void ark and 0.49% for rest of them.

Late addition to the thread but I was actually going onto the forums just to see if other people had this problem, and am glad to see several expressing the same disdain with Alliance Roulette as it is right now.

I've been trying to clear the Ivalice raids on my alt character as I am planning to get him ready for Bozja before 5.45, but the queues are absolutely horrid. I can basically only queue during prime time and am still waiting for 30 minutes to an hour.

Meanwhile, I have cleared CT on the same alt for MSQ progression and it took me less than 5 minutes each. Something is very wrong here, especially given that the Ivalice raids are mandatory for the current Relic content. I do not want to imagine how long the Shadow of Mhach raids take to queue for.

Honestly they should make it so you have to have high enough ilvl for at least 1 piece of content thats current for your level.

Like example is if you are level 80, you should have to have at least ilvl to do Copied Factory to do Alliance Raid Roulette again. It would be kind of a pain for people who are trying to get rewards for honestly undergeared characters but I think it would be an okay compromise.

The whole reason I stopped queeing this roulette and just started manually queued all the non-ARR alliance raids once a day.

I love the alliance raids - theyre super fun. And I'm happy to run the ARR ones because of people's MSQ but when every time I go in, no one ever gets the achievement for clearing it and I see half my party changing their gear once we're in, i'm getting tired of it.

I don't blame people doing it, and I'm not mad at them, I'm just burnt out running the same ARR roulettes because people want to be quick.

My option was to queue the ones I want manually at reset. Though a ton of people leave the dungeon at teh start when it's not one of the ARR ones. But obviously, I'm getting punished by losing out on the roulette rewards.

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Originally Posted by Roda

At least reduce the ilevel you get synced to when you go in so we can actually do mechanics instead of slapping a dummy for 2 minutes and then running to the next room. :T

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That's the inherent problem with the whole ilvl and how it's way too high. No wonder people don't learn or stand in AoEs to DPS.