Just something I came up because I'm really bored 5.3 - 5.4 does not look promising to me at all.
Dark Side
Acquire : Lv.30 [automatically received along with other skill when unlock DRK]
MP regeneration stops during battle.
Reduce GCD speed to 2.0s
Drains 500 MP for every gcd.
MP refreshing statuses have no effect. Effect ends upon reuse or when MP is 0.
Recast Time 30s.
Blood Price
Acquire Lv.30 DRK Job quest Ishgardain's Justice
Restores Your MP when You or Party Member within a radius of 15 yalms receive damage [1% of Max MP for every 1% of max HP loss while blood price is active. Calculate from damage received so damage to shield always included]
Effect Fade when 30% of max MP restored by Blood Price.
Duration: 30s
Recast Time 45s.
[Dark Art]
Acquire Lv 35 DRK Job quest "The Voice in the Abyss"
Enhance other Job Actions.
Can only be used while under effect of Darkside.
Cost : 2000 MP.
Duration 30s.
Effect fade after combo.
"Shadow Skin"
Acquire : Lv.28 [automatically received along with other skill when unlock DRK]
reduce damage receive by 15%. Upgraded to The Blackest Night after complete DRK JOB Quest LV 70 "Our Compromise"
Recast Time 60s
Duration 10s
Dark Art combo : Increase Duration to 20s.
Dark Missionary : Merge with Dark Mind.
Dark Mind
Acquired : LV.50 instead of LV.45
Reduces magic vulnerability by 20%.
Duration 10s
Recast Time : 60s
Dark Art combo : Grant Dark Missionary to all party members [except DRK who use it] within a radius of 15 yalms.
Dark Missionary : Reduces magic damage taken by 15%. [Convert magic damage mitigated by Dark Missionary on party member to mp and restore it on DRK. Maximum MP that can be restore = 2000 MP]
Duration 15s
New Living Dead
Living Dead Duration: 10
Grants the effect of Living Dead. While under the effect of Living Dead, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1. When HP is reduced to 1 while under the effect of Living Dead, instead of becoming KO'd, you will receive the debuff "Walking Dead
Walking Dead Duration: 10 [Increases HP recovery via healing actions on self by 50%]
If, before the debuff Walking Dead timer runs out, HP is 50% restored, the Walking Dead debuff will be removed. If 50% is not restored, you will be KO'd.
New "Sole Survivor"
Marks yourself with the status Survivor. When the effect expires , 30% of your maximum HP will be restored.
Acquired : LV.45
Duration: 10s
Recast Time : 120s
[by using Sole Survivor 1-2 secs before using the Living Dead it will ensure that we can remove Walking Dead before the timer run out because when Sole Survivor effect expired 1-2 secs before Walking Dead timer end we will restore 45% of our total hp [30% from Sole Survivor + 50% HP recovery boost = 45 %] now if we restore the rest of 5% earlier by using either Souleater/Abyssal Drain then our survival against Walking Dead debuff is pretty much guarantee. Healer probably don't have to waste much resource than it needed anymore should they need to heal DRK with Sole Survivor on cooldown since the required HP that needed to be heal is lowered to 50% and the Walking Dead also give HP recovery boost.]
[Ranged Pull]
Unmend
Acquire : Lv.15 [automatically received along with other skill when unlock DRK]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 150.
While under effect of Darkside using Unmend won't cost MP.
Additional Effect: Increased enmity
Dark Art combo : Radius increased to 5 yalms [became AOE]
[Gap Closer]
Plunge
Acquire Lv.54 DRK Job quest Kindred Spirit.
Delivers a jumping attack with a potency of 200.
Maximum Charges: 2 [after acquire lv78 Trait]
Cannot be executed while bound.
Recast Time : 30s
Dark Art combo : Maximum Range increased from 15 to 20 yalms, Potency increased to 400.
Low level Combo that replace slow slash&soul eater
Potency :
Spinning Slash = 200
Syphon Strike = 300
Delirium = 350
Blue Combo = Spinning Slash>Syphon Strike>Delirium [SS + Delirium = 3000mp]
https://i.imgur.com/d4Zsnvy.gif *gif made from video about heavensward DRK recorded by Xanedia*
[While under effect of Darkside landing Delirium will change Spinning Slash,Syphon Strike and Delirium to Scourge,Carve and Split, and Power Slash]
Red Combo = Scourge>Carve and Split>Power Slash
Potency:
Scourge=350
Carve and Split=450
Power Slash=550
https://i.imgur.com/nQdvEPy.gif
Scourge
Acquire : Lv 35
Can only be used while under effect of Darkside.
Carve and Split
Acquire by simply level up to Lv 56
Can only be used while under effect of Darkside.
POWER SLASH
Acquire by Complete Lv. 56 DRK Job quest Original Sin
Can only be used while under effect of Darkside.
Every time you landed any of these 3 skills you will get 1 stack of buff
3 stacks will turn Scourge,Cave and Split and Power Slash back to Spinning Slash,Syphon Strike and Delirium.
OGC ATTACK SKILL
Soul Eater
Acquire by Complete Lv. 60 DRK Job quest Absolution
Delivers an attack with a potency of 400.
Additional Effect : Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
Dark Art combo : Absorbs 100% of damage dealt as HP
Recast Time 60s.
Salted Earth = Merged with Abyssal Drain
Abyssal Drain
Acquire : Lv 52
Abyssal Drain won't instant heal with 200 cure potency x number of targets hit like in Shadowbringer
but it will make the target suffer dot for 15s
You fire the Abyssal Drain at the target and then the Salted Earth will be place where it hit and remain there for 15s
The Salted Earth aoe pool that spawn where Abyssal Drain hit will continue to heal you 100 Cure Potency x number targets inside the aoe pool for 15s [1 time every 3 secs] [It work like how SCH's faerie heal drk over time just different in visual which in this case the Salted Earth aoe pool is the Faerie and there's no green tether tied you to it but if a target leave the pool you will stop get a heal over time]
In the boss fight or a single target, it might help a little bit to lessen the hp lose against the auto attack but it won't be able to heal much like in large pull.
You also don't lose much if boss move away from the aoe pool since there're usually 2 situations that this happen
1 boss move away for mechanic and start casting something and stop auto attack you
2 when you have to pull boss away to avoid aoe/ heavy attack.
And here come another attack OGC [single target]
Something that using the Stormblood's Reprisal attack animation!
https://i.imgur.com/oEiS5pA.gif
Of all the changes I want this the most
"Nameless Skill"
Acquired : Lv 54
Max potency = 400-500-600-700
Recast Time 60s.
This ocg will deal moderate or big damage according to how long the target suffered from dot from Abyssal Drain. At 1-3s left it will deal the most damage it could and ensure Critical Direct Hit.
but I'm not sure how server will handle it. At any rate it have the potential to yield high reward but require precise timing and management to earn it.
AOE GCD
Stalwart Soul replace Unleash
[reason is because when moving while using unleash you character move but there's no leg movement. It look toooo obvious that you just floating and sliding on the ground like T-posing] "Skating during Unleash looks horrid and is overtly apparent - largely because you almost always use the skill while moving. Painfully reminiscent of Quake 2 multiplayer."
Potency : 150
Reduce Blood Price recast time by 5s.
Reduce Blood Weapon recast time by 1s.
Effect does not stack when hitting multiple targets with a single attack
Quietus
Acquire : Lv 40
Will be the second aoe and gain combo bonus from Stalwart Soul.
[swap place with the original Stalwart Soul and acquire at lv 40 instead.]
Potency : 200
Combo bonus : Restore 800 MP
Reduce Blood Price recast time by 5s.
Reduce Blood Weapon recast time by 1s.
Effect does not stack when hitting multiple targets with a single attack
Mitigation
The Blackest Night
Acquire : Lv70 DRK JOB Quest LV 70 "Our Compromise"
[2000 mp] shield will be nerfed to 20% of max hp and give mp back when it break.
Recast Time : 15s.
Skill Acquire at high level [Shadowbringers]
Blood Weapon
Acquire : Lv 72.
Grant 5 stack of Blood Weapon, each stack allowing you to increases Blood Gauge by 20 and restores MP by 200 upon upon landing weaponskills.
Effect does not stack when hitting multiple targets with a single attack.
Duration increase to 30s.
Recast Time 90s.
Bloodspiller
Animation shortened. First Part Cut out
https://i.imgur.com/YQ9UJgV.gif
https://i.imgur.com/9i4Akk6.gif
Acquire : Lv.72
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
Potency : 500
Dark Art Combo : It will have a more bigger explosion [Dragon Fire Drive's explosion but it's dark/purple flame] Potency 800.
Dark Passenger
Acquire : lv 74.
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
Potency : 400
Dark Art Combo : It will have a big wave of dark blade[Big Dark Hissatsu: Guren effect] Potency 700.
Flood/Edge =Remove.
DRK's changes I want that won't happen.
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08-01-2020, 08:53 AMcactuarzzzzDRK's changes I want that won't happen.
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08-01-2020, 01:50 PMHierro
Okay okay, I'll go next:
go back to stormblood version's. -
08-01-2020, 03:32 PMLythFixed your punctuation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
But no, let's not do that. Heavensward maybe. -
08-02-2020, 02:21 AMTizzy_Tormentor
I just want HW DRK back, it was the toughest tank to play correctly and wasn't exactly newbie friendly, but man was it crazy fun to play, current DRK has had so many skills pruned and edges sanded off that it has become a shadow of its former glory.
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08-02-2020, 05:03 AMcactuarzzzzRelax ^_^, it's just some vague idea. I wasn't even going into a potency calculation. I was thinking about adding Dark Side Stop natural MP regen and Blood Price to make DRK gain MP from it from both large/boss pull but figured it might not worth the time haha. Since the chance it could happen is next to 0. I knew other DRK prefer HW DRK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
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08-02-2020, 05:15 AMcactuarzzzzEnmity problem is gone which mean Dark Art would have less function now and Enmity combo can't come back. TBN is really strong that DA+Soul Eater isn't necessary. More than a few things probably have to change. It would be different with HW DRK if it come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor
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08-02-2020, 05:47 AMHierroHard pill to swallow: You did the same thing in heavensward, except in a cluttered mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
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08-02-2020, 09:56 AMKabooahttps://i.imgur.com/3USgt2g.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
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08-03-2020, 02:11 PMDWolfwoodYou pressed a lot of buttons.. but the similarities end there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
1. In HW you dealt with the ever depleting MP gauge, allowing you to lose darkside without proper play. A punishment far more stark than merely capping out MP for a second or two.
2. You had an unpredictable OGCD proc in the form of Low Blow. There were times where mine would proc 3 times in a row, adding extra ogcds to expend without clipping your GCDs.
3. Reprisal could only be used after parry.
4. Scourge added a dot management aspect.
5. More skills using Dark Arts as a buff meant you had to be more precise in when you used it for risk of it being consumed for something else.
And if you go back to launch, there was double dark arts which was a fabulous time to be alive and main'ing DRK.
Cluttered Mess? Perhaps.
Same amount of ability spamming? Perhaps.
Similar in the slightest? Not at all. -
08-04-2020, 12:00 AMLythYou didn't. At baseline, you generated MP for one DA every third combo. You could also only spend DA on the third combo step. The rest of your weaves came from an assortment of kicks, fireballs, and counterattacks as they procced or came off cooldown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
You couldn't even dark arts every other word if you tried. -
08-04-2020, 08:47 AMcactuarzzzz
OK I tried remove stormblood drk play style now.
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08-04-2020, 11:33 AMHierroThank you for proving me right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
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08-04-2020, 03:54 PMVyrerusOh my Altana, I can't believe I'm going to defend Lyth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
But Lyth didn't prove you right, they showed that you don't know what you're talking about. Stormblood DRK was not the same as Heavensward DRK. SB DRK was easier to play, and there was way more of a Dark Arts focus. Good for somethings, bad for others.
Give me Heavensward DRK any day of the week. More oGCDs to use than any tank ever. Its only issue TP sustainability in real long fights, though you could also resort to less damage efficient magic once that happened anyway. Little bit of an enmity issue after the tank nerf, but if we keep current stupid enmity then it won't matter.
As for the OP, some of those ideas are cool. I would love for Scourge to come back, and I would love for more combos. I'd at least like for blood to generate faster than it does currently. I really rather miss being able to Quietus + Blood Weapon and get like 35~50 blood back depending on pull size. And I definitely miss Blood Price as well. -
08-04-2020, 07:20 PMReiMakotoHeavensward DRK whilst very fun will not see a comeback unless there is another overhaul of tanks in general, the reliance on being hit for low blows, reprisal and blood price meant it was MT or bust for optimization which is something the devs are very clear is something they do not want (although I think it should be what they pursue in general). SB DRK was the natural progression of trying to move MT reliance on HW drk, by taking the apm that would have been spent on the reflection actions and clunking it into one skill. Scourge was a casualty of the other dev goal of removing non combo dots from all classes as a way to save buttons and also make debuff management more reasonable on 24 man+ bosses (In HW it was a regular occurance that the "soft cap" was met for debuffs applied to a boss meaning you could not see the debuffs that you applied). And finally the MP drain was changed partly due to accessibility, and also partly because it didn't really mean anything, running out of mana only happened if you werent paying attention same way you overcapped on mana in SB if you weren't paying attention, sure you were punished more in HW, but honestly you were at way more risk of overcapping more often than you ever were at running out in HW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor
So whilst many would like HW drk to come back, it would involve the devs walking back on multiple broad changes that effected a lot of jobs not just DRK, DRK was just caught in the unfortunate ven diagram of all of them. -
08-07-2020, 09:25 AMbundythenoob
i quite like the idea of bringing back shadowskin as like a baby TBN, but it should probably be carefully tuned so it doesnt make all of the ARR content irrelevant. maybe if content in the game actually posed a challenge then it could be a little more powerful. i also really miss power slash, it had such a cool animation. i wish it had been repurposed as opposed to just outright deleted.
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08-07-2020, 09:31 AMcactuarzzzzWe no Longer have Hp restore from Soul Eater as part of our combo anymore since I made it LV60 ogc. So Shadowskin is there to balance thatQuote:
Originally Posted by bundythenoob
[ I don't feel it's like going to be more op than Camouflage [GNB LV6] and Sheltron [PLD LV35] in ARR. Thank you for take your time to analysis this idea ^_^.] -
08-11-2020, 01:08 AMshao32
Well lets see:
-Darkside being back as a stance is nice, im not sure about the cost of 500mp per GCD but if the MP generation is strong to keep it up why not but don't feel it adds anything relevant
-blood price being and aoe it's nice but i think the gains will be to dependent of the encounter, bosses like current eden turn 3 will hurt a lot DRK MP generation due the low amount of damage in single target and long periods of mechanics that can be done without reciving damage will force the job to hold the skill to much, so it would end being a bit lackbuster specially if many MP come from this.
-having dark arts its fine but most of you suggested effects are never gonna being used, mostly bcs damage is king so it will end everything going to bloodspiller and plunge, i recomend look at the whole system contribution, or you make it full suporting the dps part of the job or you make it supporting non dps stuff of the job, if you mixed both the player will always chose the dps and then complaing they have to waste damage for doing something others do for free.
-i preffer remove rampart and recover shadowskin as our 20% mitigation variant but it's nice having a sustitute of TBN early, the dark arts effect as i mentioned before.
-dark mind/missionary well as i mentioned before, still limited magic damage only so single target darkmind will have low usability.
-living dead and sole survivor arebetter than now so yeah
-unmend and plunge nothing to say since the same dark arts stuff.
-soul eater new carve and spit so, meh, dark arts stuff again.
-the combos, well i have a question about the blue combo, the 3k MP is with or without the 1500mp cost of darkside? and i have a problem with the animations.
blue combo if you notice spining slash and syphon strike are the same animation but shypon have an extra slash at the end, it feel ackward doing the same animation twice with a slight diference at the end, i will change spining slash anitmation for another one.
-salted abyssal drain sounds cool in general.
-nameless skill sounds a bit hard to optimice with raid buffs? i guess the point is that downs matter and just use it at when you own kit demand it, idk the rectast of abyssal drain, i assume is still at 60s so in general aling well but i will increase the marging to 5-7s for high ping players you know.
-aoe combo remember me to infuriate with the recast reduction.
-bloodweapon offer to little for the 90s recast, in aoe you will use it more oftent, on single target will feel unrewarding and bloodspiller/dark passenger are fine.
final thoughts:
seems like DRK will use 2 combos each time all the time generating MP than can only be used on Dark arts and TBN (as far i know) with at least 4 oGCD all of them at the 60s mark.
mmm depending of the MP generated DRK could feel really empty betwen each 60s mark just exactly like now with no MP to expend or generating to much MP and being limited on his uses since bloodspiller need blood for being used and plunge being on recast, the rest of the Dark arts uses are purely defensive or selfhealing so if you generate to much MP you could end wasting MP while you wait the desired skills are being able to being used in the OT position, i recomend the need of put at least 1 dark art use on one of the combos to activate the other for example.
i imagine living shadow remains the same, the aoe remains the same 1-2 but even more simple somehow, and i doubt the contribution of blood price to the MP economy, if i missed any important detail would be nice to know ^^
If we only take the conflict mechanics that are basically the procs/beneficts from recive damage, aka low blow, reprisal and blood price (skills that no longer do damage btw) they could bring back basically HW DRK without changing anything gameplay wise and for me having 97% of HW DRK flow it's better that having 0%, besaid the scourge manteinance woulnt make 24 man raids being a chore when only 3 tanks can acces the duty at the same time and RNG gods have to be really whimsical to bring 3 at the same time, so it's actually more factible that it's looks, and the mp drain don't really affect the rest of the job, still there or removed it's just affect numbers on the economy that can be compensated somwhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReiMakoto
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08-11-2020, 02:03 AMcactuarzzzz
Thank you very much shao, but this point I consider give up any dream and hope now.
However if I'm allowed too I can still explain a bit
1. Fast GCD and many weavings did not mingle well. The more fast your gcds are the less time you have to weave ogcs.
2. Dark Art + Unmend/Plunge is for QOL in dungeon or when you want 20y over Soul Eater+ Dark Art.
Thank you again for spare your time to read my rubbish. I probably won't bother you again for long time now. In fact I just cancel a contact with my isp that I have always use for FFXIV now. 5.4 is where I decide whether to comeback or cut all tie with XIV. I haven't been treated like being a second rate like this since the earlier day of dragon nest. I thought SE was different but it turned out they're the same. -
08-11-2020, 05:22 AMUltimatecaliburThe introduction of cutscene phase transitions with Zurvan (and StB's heavy use of them) was what made the MP drain not viable and led to the ShB "no MP regen" version of Darkside.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReiMakoto
Exactly.Quote:
So whilst many would like HW drk to come back, it would involve the devs walking back on multiple broad changes that effected a lot of jobs not just DRK, DRK was just caught in the unfortunate ven diagram of all of them.