Leveling other Jobs at the Southern Front...

....Anyone else hugely dislikes that? Besides the tons of ways to level we already have, just like PVP this will lead to tons of ppl just leeching for easy exp, maybe even worse then during the fate trains in Eureka....


Also sync to 430... just why, I wanna use the gear we grinded Q_Q

Why do you care you don't have to level anything there. There are lots of people who wanted other things to do in zones like this and they appear to be trying to give it to them.

Eureka was level synced too and it appears this is to level the playing field for some of the battle encounters in the zone.

Wonder if there will be any tome rewards for any of these encounters like we got in Eureka.

No, because it makes up for having no deep dungeon this expansion and looks more engaging than deep dungeon. Some people may or may not leech but the content isn’t out yet so we can only conjecture what it will actually be like.

I'm more concerned about people botting in there, considering that they've historically attempted to do it literally anywhere that has EXP to be gained.

It could be particularly bad if they're stealing slots in critical engagements then decorating the floor afterward due to their general inability to handle mechanics beyond the most basic of telegraphed AoEs.

Leveling queues for rouletters between 71 and 80 content are going to shoot up by a lot! If this is more efficient then Roulette farming then yeah obvious result will occur.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Leveling queues for rouletters between 71 and 80 content are going to shoot up by a lot! If this is more efficient then Roulette farming then yeah obvious result will occur.

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Pretty much this. Someone in FC chat was asking about how to quickly level up crafters and the general consensus was Ishgard > anything else. Leves, Beast Tribes, GC turn ins. All pale to Ishgard.

This is going to have the same effect on Roulettes if the EXP gain is significant.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

No, because it makes up for having no deep dungeon this expansion

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This. They said since we're not getting a deep dungeon something will have to make up for it, and this is it. And since it's less mindless than deep dungeons, people are still gonna do it les than deep dungeon so I don't know how you all think it's gonna impact roulettes. Besides roulettes are a once a day matter, they're only a small part of the levelling for most people, and tbh ShB was very much lacking other things to do.

I'm also disappointed about the ilvl sync down though.

People will leech content no matter what. Square could make content that requires close to 0 brain cell use and afk, but somehow there will be people who leech said content.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Leveling queues for rouletters between 71 and 80 content are going to shoot up by a lot! If this is more efficient then Roulette farming then yeah obvious result will occur.

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I'm not sure you understand how Leveling Roulette works.

I think it's a great idea. Definitely gives the content more replay value.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

....Anyone else hugely dislikes that? Besides the tons of ways to level we already have, just like PVP this will lead to tons of ppl just leeching for easy exp, maybe even worse then during the fate trains in Eureka....


Also sync to 430... just why, I wanna use the gear we grinded Q_Q

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Not really, considering the lack of Deep dungeons for the xpac, we just about broke even.

Also we don't know how difficult the content is gonna be (yet), and its pretty likely that it will give us all out buttons there so if anything it might give us a chance to practice rotations if we're so inclined.

I like the idea. I still have some classes below 80, mainly DPS. Doing dungeons with trusts gets old and tedious very fast.

I don't know how much I will do the new content though. It sounds like if you don't do it a lot you won't get much out of it and will be behind everyone else in progress.

By consolidating the function of Deep Dungeons, and the new Eureka into one avenue, they improve the longevity of both.

Nah, but only because it looks so similar to Eureka that I'm 99% sure I'll nope out of it completely after checking out Southern Bozja on the first day.

I think it's a fantastic idea. Having more ways to level a character can break up the grind. Plus it keeps people coming back to the content.

Im personally excited for the ability to level other jobs in here. DPS queues are absolute hell and PvP isn't always fun.

Why are people using the word "leech?"
Like the people doing the content to level are only draining it and doing nothing to contribute by doing the content?
Do people enjoying Eureka "leech" that unless they're in a party? Or is that a party of leeches?
I don't understand.

There's only so many times I am willing to go through the Trust or the duty roulette. We will have all our jobs synced up to level 80 so this way we can try out the jobs with their full kit without having to wait until they are actually level 80.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

No, because it makes up for having no deep dungeon this expansion and looks more engaging than deep dungeon.

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Hello, aren't we forgetting some options here?

->Like in, is PVP a joke to you? It might not be as efficient as it used to be at the start of 4.0, but for a DPS it's still a solid option.
->One Roulette (namely Leveling) per day can even be accessed when you go alone; more than 20 min waiting-time only happen when you try at a time people work / sleep.
->Daily hunts give some easy EXP one can grab while waiting for roulette- / dungeon-que to happen.
->Also, remember Trust, maaaybee...? The devs outright said we get no PotD for ShB because we got an always available dungeon-crew.

If the options we already have were so boring, I wouldn't have leveled my StB-Maxlevels (a ka all jobs existing at 4.5) in just a half year up to ShB-Maxlevels - while being not very ambitious, by the way. Had I given my very best, I bet 3 months would have been doable.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

Hello, aren't we forgetting some options here?

->Like in, is PVP a joke to you? It might not be as efficient as it used to be at the start of 4.0, but for a DPS it's still a solid option.
->One Roulette (namely Leveling) per day can even be accessed when you go alone; more than 20 min waiting-time only happen when you try at a time people work / sleep.
->Daily hunts give some easy EXP one can grab while waiting for roulette- / dungeon-que to happen.
->Also, remember Trust, maaaybee...? The devs outright said we get no PotD for ShB because we got an always available dungeon-crew.

If the options we already have were so boring, I wouldn't have leveled my StB-Maxlevels (a ka all jobs existing at 4.5) in just a half year up to ShB-Maxlevels - while being not very ambitious, by the way. Had I given my very best, I bet 3 months would have been doable.

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Nonetheless, more options to level is always a good thing.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Nonetheless, more options to level is always a good thing.

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Might be true, but it annoys me whenever someone outright forgets everything else whenever a deep-dungeon-like-thing gets introduced.

Plus...
Sure, people have limited time, so they pick stuff that's most efficient - I myself need to plan which hobby I want to prioritize per day, so I can relate to the issue - YET...

Eureka was unwillingly encouraging (even maxleveled) players to go afk and let others do the work instead of helping with as many FATE-spawns as possible.
->So, if someone prefers this system over deep dungeons, I smell a possible laziness which sadly triggers my frustration as a player who has been visiting Eureka since its Anemos-release.

I'm glad they're letting us lvl 71 to 80 jobs in here, wish they would have done that with eureka for 61 to 70 jobs.

Being able to level alts whilst doing your relic is a major convenience and gets more people to play and repeat the content. That alone makes the Bozjan Southern Front far better than Eureka.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

->Like in, is PVP a joke to you? It might not be as efficient as it used to be at the start of 4.0, but for a DPS it's still a solid option.

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Say "PvP" to a random group of MMO players and a sizable section if not the majority will nope right on out. Sweeten the pot enough that PvE players feel compelled to participate and you'll just people that do the bare minimum to qualify.

Anecdotally: This round of Moogle Tomes featured Rival Wings. I figured it was my chance to dip in particularly after some assurances that "it's easy" followed by an insistence on reading a super dense six page dissertation on the mode with an admonition to ingest everything in there. Guess what I did not do? (spoiler: There was much farming of MSQ roulette. Again)

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

->One Roulette (namely Leveling) per day can even be accessed when you go alone; more than 20 min waiting-time only happen when you try at a time people work / sleep.

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20 minutes is atrocious and I say that as somebody that can play a few hours a night. Even still the time band to get a 20 minute queue time is far more narrow. In my experience if I don't immediately queue around dinner time I'm doomed to 30+ and I'm in an earlier timezone than most on my server.

I only put up with that once a night for MSQ roulette while I'm doing dinner prep and pixies. If the guild is doing something interesting when I'm done I'll hang out with them but lately I just log off.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

->Daily hunts give some easy EXP one can grab while waiting for roulette- / dungeon-que to happen.

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The word I'd use is "tedious" and their payouts are poor. Much like FATEs I only actively do hunts if I'm within 5-10% of reaching the next level.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

->Also, remember Trust, maaaybee...? The devs outright said we get no PotD for ShB because we got an always available dungeon-crew.

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Trusts exacerbate one of XIV's biggest flaws. You'd think with such a depth and breadth of dungeons you'd get to level with some variety but you would be wrong. After the daily roulette only the one or two nearest your level are worth running for experience. Trusts require six runs per ShB dungeon before they can move on to the next one. I don't hate myself that much. Yet.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Trusts exacerbate one of XIV's biggest flaws. You'd think with such a depth and breadth of dungeons you'd get to level with some variety but you would be wrong. After the daily roulette only the one or two nearest your level are worth running for experience. Trusts require six runs per ShB dungeon before they can move on to the next one. I don't hate myself that much. Yet.

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Trusts are awesome. They might be your cup of tea but they're a great addition to the game in my opinion. I sincerely hope they expand on them a lot more although the director did explain they are rather complicated when it comes to programming and needing people who can actually do that type of work.

I've become a Trusted Friend on my main and an alt. They're great for leveling jobs and learning jobs you don't play all that much. I plan on learning Scholar when i get a chance at some point but I am always busy with my main and many alts.

@GeminiReed

A) I don't sit on an US-server, so sorry for not being sorry for obviously having faster que-times here in Europe. =p
->Even with the Patch-lul, I can que roulettes here on Shiva a ka Light as a single DPS (17 - 22 o'clock) and come not even close to 30min waiting. There were even days in which I got after 5min my instances.

(You can argue two DPS might need more time to get their que, but that has always been the hardest pair for the system to put into a dungeon-run.)

Plus, if someone wants fast ques urgently, they can always play a tank or healer. If they don't enjoy that, one can get a buddy with such job ooor eat the sour apple a ka accept the waiting-game.

B) Your whole text sounds a lot like you're one of these people who need everything served on a plate, by the way. :< Hope I'm misinterpreting your mood, since Eureka-like content means grinding a ka investing some time / energy, after all.

@Melody
Roulettes, even if you do them all give only so much xp and only take so long. if you have free time, you always need more ways to level.
PvP is dead, even Frontlines only pop at reset time or prime time, not everybody plays at those times.
Hunts really give terribly few xp, they can't even be considered a levelling method, more like a filler. Even beast tribes give more xp. And these two things are also limited to once a day.
And honestly, doing always the same thing gets TEDIOUS really fast, including roulettes, you can only do sastasha and co for so long in a row.

Tedious here, tedious there... People look at it from the wrong angle.

FFXIV offers a handful of ways to level stuff, while old FF-titles got usually only one place for your current level to grind some EXP.
->If you guys are already mentally exhausted from the options you got here, I wonder how quickly you would abandon a game that doesn't give you any alternatives. :eyesroll:

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Originally Posted by linayar

Nonetheless, more options to level is always a good thing.

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No. Its lazy... "lets tack EXP, Tome, artificial currency (preferably in 2 types) AND do X 1000x makes it so all kinds of ppl who dont really wanna do it are feeling forced to....

How many times did ppl say "i hate Eureka, but its easy tome" etc... same for pvp.


Yes more ways to level, a change of pace and (at least the illusion of) fleeing the treadmill is important, but can we have some Endgame stuff exclusively for Endgame Jobs? Almost all Rouletts sync us down, limit our skills etc... im not happy with the 430 sync but i can deal with that, though id have it to at least 480 - or 490 considering we most likely will be able to upgrade the crafted gear.

I just wished for some endgame stuff that isnt savage raiding and the relic kinda would be the right thing, but well...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

can we have some Endgame stuff exclusively for Endgame Jobs?

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You have them: max level dungeons and trials and raids.

But as I've said previously in another thread, FFXIV doesn't have to follow other games' definition of endgame and/or content where content is either only for max level or only for leveling.

Making content be useful for both people who are leveling and for people at max level is a staple for FFXIV and it's a great feature for the game.

If you think it's lazy, then don't do the content. That up to you.

Nah, although I'm still hoping they consider a cosmetic merit system (once you're all 80 it's a little sad to watch the exp slip through your fingers lol). I think it would be neat to have some sort of relaxing license or sphere grid that unlocks visuals- for those who'vei played WoW in recent time you might think of some of there runes or such that allow them to change the look of abilities (so imagine, optionally, dark knight aura instead of being red fractals it being that dark smokey look it had at the original trailer). Here that could include changing the way abilities look, mounts, new gear, etc, but of course been FF inspired (like the sphere grid). Make the weekly challenge log give bonus merit exp, such that players want to complete the roulette, Southern Front, and FATE challenges for the merit exp and I think you'll have a decent spread of contents available.

It would be neat to have some extra jingle to the sound of lots of exp.

You get materia which isn't awful but I just sell it, so that's a jingle I guess but I meant the less literal psychological one not the literal sound of gil clinking in my pocket lol. Also as a huge aside I had thought a magitek pilot (operator) system, with some influence of armorcore or xenogears/saga, would be a pretty neat content and where your spirit binding energy could be used to overclock the mech in solo play only (meaning the content could regularly be party finder, but also occasionally entirely valid for casual players who need that boost to do some content they cant seem to find a group for- a diversity/fail safe feature that allows different styles of players and a 'just in case' feature for special content).

Great idea, what are you mad at more options to level up?
Also as PVP you can change jobs inside so can actually use your best job for important content/parties

And level sync up will make you have your complete skill set if you so want to practice more the job you are leveling

You could argue that people could not touch their job at all and level it to cap but well you can also level all jobs just doing MSQ roulette and only half knowing a couple of attacks so people having to learn their jobs at cap level already exist.