Alchemist's Poison's

Ok, im a 50 alchymist, nothing i make is worth anything, the ingredients are worth 10 times as much.

I make a Paralyzing Potion, it is a level 50 recipe, it lasts 10 seconds, and has a recast of 2 MINUTES.

It is like saying "You can't use this poison yet, extreme use could kill your enemy of an overdose, and you dont want that, right?

make em have a resistance to it and remove poison cooldown, COMPLETELY. Because at this moment, noone cares about alchymist, because all potions are complete crap. Even elixir is on low demand, it is 7.5 minutes, this means you cant even use it 2 times in the ifrit battle. Make poisons max 15 seconds, make potions make 2 minutes, else noone is ever gonna give alchymist a second thought. You even ormised you would fix alchymist and also said you had done it last patch.

I think the issue is also the fact that we have played over a year and a half without using anything like pots/poisons/enfeebling stuff just fine and since it really isn't "necessary" for using; it also takes up inventory space.

I'm a 50 Alch as well and it is quite sad :(

Plus with usually 2 WHM's in groups with the Esuna spell, gold needles aren't really needed either except in VERY rare instances when both WHM's are petrified and another job has to throw needles on them.

Don't forget the completely useless stat potions, those too (even while being new) are completely worthless.

Alchemy needs some revisions still.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

Don't forget the completely useless stat potions, those too (even while being new) are completely worthless.

Alchemy needs some revisions still.

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Yeah, getting a 30 second 125 attack and 40 STR bonus on miser during hundred fists is so useless.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

Yeah, getting a 30 second 125 attack and 40 STR bonus on miser during hundred fists is so useless.

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i think his point was more that for the cost of the materials the finished items aren't worth the price that come with them. yes, they are very useful if you, or someone else you know, makes them. if you have to buy them from the wards at 4-5000 each then it's too expensive for their value.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

Yeah, getting a 30 second 125 attack and 40 STR bonus on miser during hundred fists is so useless.

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it certainly is, its lasting a short while, gives little reward, got a long cooldown, and the ingredients to make them is worth ten times as much as the potion itself. Potions should a) be very good, or b) be able to use in masses with no to very short cooldowns. I dont know one FF game where i couldnt use as many potions i wanted in a row, why not also here? Or rather, make it a shorter cooldown the higher level of the potion. For example, disabling potion = paralyzing potion + poisoning potion and is a level 28 recipe. Pasralyzing potion is a 49 recipe, costs 50k to make 2 and sells for 1k each.

I have to disagree while Alchemist needs some tweaks.

Mega Potions have been a life saver for me and my LS loves me for suplying them. I also farm all my materials and if you don't most crafts don't really put out a cost/craft favorable ratio. Get a Linkshell with some DoL and work out a deal with them I assure you they wont not sell stuff to you at a discount.

For real... People saying that the devs should make [x] stronger because the price of the materials is far too high is sincerely the worst argument possible. You're asking king to attempt to fix the one thing that is absolutely NOT their goddamn fault, it's completely, 100%, the player's fault the price things go for in the market, nobody is interested in even trying to start a change in the market.

i farm my materials too, but at the rate you get them, it is better to farm gil and buy them instead. Mega-potion is 600 hp, and sells for 100 gil on market with a loooooong cooldown, if it had a short (15 seconds max) cooldown, then id aggree, but as it is now, yes, it "can" save you, but that saving wont last long if one potion is that weak and you cant reuse it to build yourself back up. Currently time and gill vs gain is very much to high, even if you farm everything, thats the biggest problem.

Brother, you know how much everyone seems to love Second Wind? A Mega-Potion is a second Second Wind avaiable with basically the same cooldown, it's damn helpful. And good god, I've been on an Aurum Vale run yesterday (my entire team's first :D) and good god, i'd so have LOVED for my team to have a mega-potion to save itself when they HP were in the last 200 and I needed just a HALF SECOND to cast that god-forsaken cure.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Brother, you know how much everyone seems to love Second Wind? A Mega-Potion is a second Second Wind avaiable with basically the same cooldown, it's damn helpful. And good god, I've been on an Aurum Vale run yesterday (my entire team's first :D) and good god, i'd so have LOVED for my team to have a mega-potion to save itself when they HP were in the last 200 and I needed just a HALF SECOND to cast that god-forsaken cure.

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Shoot me if im wrong, but dont you get 4.5 second winds in the time you can use one mega-potion? Thats bnasically absolutely not the same, and the mega-potion you had to pay for. (Second wind is 0:45, not 2:30)

Btw, grats on first AV :) My ls had our first run a day ago too :P Mega-potion is ok as a lifesaver, but mega-potion should be an item you use frequently and you can earn lots of gil by selling at high demand, dont you aggree? A whitemage is so much better than a mega-potion you will forget theire even in youre inventory. (tested this by giving all team mebers some potions, none used em, it was a wipe though.)

It's allready pretty damn powerfull being able to heal 600 HP with just the use of a item.

You want something worth the cost then? Go farm some Vampire plant and get some Elixers made.

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I don't mean money cost, but for you "Full recovery"

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Originally Posted by Jynx

It's allready pretty damn powerfull being able to heal 600 HP with just the use of a item.

You want something worth the cost then? Go farm some Vampire plant and get some Elixers made.

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I did, they sell for 20k on market, that is 15k gil per hour if you farm for them frequently. Vampire plant sell for 20k on market, what to buy, elixir or vampire plant? id sell the plant. (The plant also sells more frequently than elixir.)

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600 hp is nothing, its 5 seconds with cure as any class. The same time it takes to find and use that mega-potion.

If your worried about money in this game I feel for you.

Maddening Potions, Nerve Drops.

'nuff said

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Originally Posted by BeePee

Maddening Potions, Nerve Drops.

'nuff said

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Those certainly are nice, if people knew about them id sure they sell for a bit :)
but how much is 100 enmity? didnt SE earlier say you would get 1 point of enmity per damage and heal ++ depending on different factors? So they wouldnt be any good on higher levels i guess?

1 minute duration and 4 minute cooldown sounds perfect though.

if paralysis potion was 1 minute with "chance of enemy not being able to attack" and 4 minute colldown on same enemy, but can use on others as much as one would like, then id be completely satisfied.

Potions are fine, the only thing I want to see is separate cooldowns based on potion type. If you use a heal potion it shouldn't lock you out from using a buff potion. That's already a known issue.

While I understand that ALC does still need some tweaks concerning recasts and such, I don't think it's useless and I don't think any of the ingredients for mega-potions are too rare or expensive. You can't make the mats too easy to obtain because of the level of synth, and the boosts you get are slightly OP (despite the time restraints) so I think it's a good balance to be honest.

Also, Medura, the enmity pots aren't a flat reduce/increase. It's +100/-80 with every action while the effect is active. So it's not just nice, it's actually very very good and almost required of a tank if your party is doing certain amounts of DPS that would otherwise be impossible to keep up with.

600 HP might sound like nothing but in a bind it can keep you from death, I prefer Elixirs but because of the rarity I only let tanks/healers use them, and they've basically stopped a wipe from happening several times.

Sleep potions have always been amazing, but I can barely find any Belladonna anymore, it used to be everywhere.

Poison potions used to be really good too (tossed them around during the Moogle battle and it at least felt like it helped), I haven't tried them out recently to see if it's powerful enough to use even with the 20 second duration.

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Originally Posted by Medura

Shoot me if im wrong, but dont you get 4.5 second winds in the time you can use one mega-potion? Thats bnasically absolutely not the same, and the mega-potion you had to pay for. (Second wind is 0:45, not 2:30)

Btw, grats on first AV :) My ls had our first run a day ago too :P Mega-potion is ok as a lifesaver, but mega-potion should be an item you use frequently and you can earn lots of gil by selling at high demand, dont you aggree? A whitemage is so much better than a mega-potion you will forget theire even in youre inventory. (tested this by giving all team mebers some potions, none used em, it was a wipe though.)

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Hrm? I- I could have swore that only Elixirs ran a higher delay than than the other healing potions? I WAS running off the assumption that the healing Mega-Potions were still on a 0:45 cooldown, I could be wrong.

I'm not sure how the usefullness goes then, though i'm a budding alchemist. However, once again I need to retirate, the prices on the market wards and the fact that the price of the ingredients is far higher than that of the finished items are entirely the player's faults. In fact, it's the fault of players like you who say "Vampire plant sell for 20k on market, what to buy, elixir or vampire plant? id sell the plant." with as many people complaining about the difference in prices as I see, you could seriously all band together and force a change in the market.

The only thing I agree with is that the types of potions should have seperate timers.

Debuff
Buff
Heal

Should all not share the same timer.

after i bought some throat drops to cure silence on my mage class i never wanted to use them again 5 min cool down to use it once more... I still think alc got the shaft. As someone who does not craft and only buys stuff sad to say i will not be purchasing anymore alc related goods >.>.

as a lvl 48 alchemist and avid user of medicines here's a simple breakdown of how i feel about each potion:

Mega-Potion: good
Mega-Ether: ok
Elixir: ok
Status Cure Medicines: joke, recast too long
Status Debuff Toxins: joke, duration too short, recast too long
Stat buff potions: ok, duration too long
Enmity increase/decrease meds: good

summary: not feeling so great about being an alchemist.

People always look at status remedies in the wrong way, they're fantastic. No they aren't the spammable necessity they've been in past FF titles, but in an emergency situation the meds can be a god send in this title. In case of emergency - prevent wipe.

Status remedies are very useful. The recast duration, especially the shared recast, are a bit annoying. However, consider that the alternatives could come down to a) your WHM saying "silenced" in /p, standing around doing nothing for 30 seconds except possibly remember he has Benediction, and you quite likely watching your tank wiped out or b) the WHM popping Throat Drops and resuming curing immediately.

Of course, Throat Drops and Spine Drops are also available from the GC, so that might not help ALCs much :)

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Originally Posted by Lyssa

Status remedies are very useful. The recast duration, especially the shared recast, are a bit annoying. However, consider that the alternatives could come down to a) your WHM saying "silenced" in /p, standing around doing nothing for 30 seconds except possibly remember he has Benediction, and you quite likely watching your tank wiped out or b) the WHM popping Throat Drops and resuming curing immediately.

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This. Slugs happen to Silence your only WHM at Miser's Mistress? Throat Drops. Want a huge stat. boost to your main combos? STR/INT pots. Tank can't seem to keep hate over DPS? Maddening Potion. Tank can't dodge a NM's WS and takes a huge chunk of damage? Elixir.

The potions all have uses, some more than others. The consensus seems to be that, rather than rarity of mats. being an issue, it's moreso that the shared timer makes it hard to see the full benefit of using potions.

Oh I can find tons of mats to make most any potion, or find someone who can get them for me. The mats aren't the issue it's the shared timers.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Oh I can find tons of mats to make most any potion, or find someone who can get them for me. The mats aren't the issue it's the shared timers.

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Rofl sorry, there's like three ALC threads up now I mistook this one for the 'mats are too expensive/rare' thread xD

Well people have brought up that Potions are not good for profit on alchemist. But I don't use Alchemist for profit really...so I can't say on that front.

I think we need an FFX-Rikku-esque class, skill, something that allows us to combine potions together to make epic things. Take random potions and combine them all together into some kind of crazy explosion that can deal damage. It would at least increase the demand for potions. I'd elaborate further but I'm almost to Dunkin Donuts~

Status remedies in this game feel more like an emergency response than anything, which is how they should be IMO. It's not like in FF11 where there were enemies where if you were in range to heal your party at all you were getting silenced, so you needed to be able to spam. The only silencing enemies I know of in this game are easy to avoid just by standing further away.