Jobs I'd like to see in FFXIV.

I feel like if the next expansion gives us another 2 jobs it should be healer and rdps to even out the roles.

RDPS: Beast Master. Uses a whip and can "tame" various beasts in the world. If this would somehow be a "nightmare" to balance make the beasts purely cosmetic but the gameplay the same. Or sort of like summoner. You'd have like 3 stances. Agressive, Defensive, AOE.

Healer: Chemist. It's a theme that no other class touches on and I think would be best as a healer. It would be almost nothing like alchemy. It'd be abilities like any other class and you'd throw potions to heal and buff and debuff etc. A Jekle and Hyde ability might be neat.

Alternative RDPS: Puppet master. Would be similar to beast master Except wouldn't use any weapon they can attack with. Instead their weapon will be a control bar/strings. ALL of your abilities will be commanding your puppet/s. Having little to no abilities of your own. That is how it would be different from beast master but they're otherwise fairly similiar.

Alternative Healer: Time Mage. Turn back the clock with time magic reversing damage done. A buff you can put on yourself or allies that lasts a few seconds and all damage done during that time is reversed when it ends. Could come with some really neat animation. Mechanic wise it'd be similar to most healers but be very unique thematically.

Alternative RDPS: Gambler. Before you say "But that's basically Astro" and I'd say Gambler is to astro as Gunbreaker is to Machinist. Similar weapons some similiar concepts but different roles and would play radically different. Instead of cards by a side gimick like astro cards and dice will be your main thing and can alter the outcome of the battle. Abilities like increase crit chance, using cards to cast abilities, or dice to roll damage the enemy takes. (It's set is already in game!)

Alternative Healer: Merchant. Now this is kind of a ridiculous concept but it's been used in a few games and is mostly a support class. Obviously the class would be learned in Ul'duh. They'd use their own ability resource version of gil as their class niche. Has an ability similiar to ninja that makes enemies who die while effected by it drop more gil. Sacrifice your artificial gil to buy potions and other useful items from the aether. Big Pharma healing! (Your teammates will have to pay you back after a run ;)

Last but NOT Least: NO MORE LIMITED JOBS. Y'all said you were thinking of adding more. Please no. I can't say no one wants them because I'm sure a few might but most folks in the US and UK don't like them and virtually everyone in japan hates them. Not only don't add new limited jobs but remaster blue mage into a real job. Have them start out at level 1 unlike other new jobs and their job quests involve them learning abilities from anyways. Some fun abilities is fine but you can easily make it a solid job. If you can't figure it out hire one of the many fans who have created wonderful concept workups for blue mage as a real job and not being OP or UP. The side version can stay I suppose cause deleting content is silly. Like bard's instruments. (Speaking of every job needs non combat fun things to do) But it's a side content thing you can do if you want with blue mage (prob dif job crystal for real versus limited). I'd prefer blue mage be a tank but I'm sure many want it as magic dps. I honestly don't care I just want one of my favourite final fantasy jobs to actually be usable in serious content in FFXIV my favourite final fantasy game.

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Last but NOT Least: NO MORE LIMITED JOBS.

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I agree. If ever they do make one of these jobs and the ones I personally like to see, I do hope they won't be limited jobs.

I like limited jobs, and also they mentioned Beastmaster as one of the limited jobs at Las Vegas fan fest

oh yeah and they mentioned Puppet master too as another limited job

Beastmaster whips aren’t long enough to be a RDPS. They’re long melee weapons.

And Blue Mage as a normal job doesn’t work really. Limited jobs in general are a sound way to add otherwise difficult to fit jobs.

Oh, and it’ll likely be Healer and Caster. Caster is the same as RDPS and Healer in terms of number minus limited jobs, and they already don’t count limited. We also haven’t ever gone back to back in terms of job additions.

Tank/RDPS/Healer (HW) -> MDPS/CDPS (SB) -> Tank/RDPS (ShB)

Taking that pattern into account, limited jobs not counting towards counts, and three roles being lower than Tank/MDPS but two of them weren’t in ShB, it just adds up.

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oh yeah and they mentioned Puppet master too as another limited job

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Yeah. I'm looking forward to this one. I just really wish it wouldn't be limited, but alas, not my call to make XD. I'd still play it then get too lazy to max it since it can't join instances without having a premade party first. Just like what happened to my BLU XD.

No thanks the more jobs they develop the less time they have to create new dungeons. If we get another healer and tank they're going to only make one dungeon every other patch because of having to balance the dungeon.

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No thanks the more jobs they develop the less time they have to create new dungeons. If we get another healer and tank they're going to only make one dungeon every other patch because of having to balance the dungeon.

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They already said that they are going to be adding jobs in every expansion for the foreseeable future.

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I like limited jobs, and also they mentioned Beastmaster as one of the limited jobs at Las Vegas fan fest

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You are an extreme minority. Only a very small group of players and the game director seems to like them.

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They already said that they are going to be adding jobs in every expansion for the foreseeable future.



You are an extreme minority. Only a very small group of players and the game director seems to like them.

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I like them too. And the game already includes things that are for a relative minority, that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Everything can't be loved by every player, it isn't realistic.

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Beastmaster whips aren’t long enough to be a RDPS. They’re long melee weapons.

And Blue Mage as a normal job doesn’t work really. Limited jobs in general are a sound way to add otherwise difficult to fit jobs.

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And Chakram's aren't meant to be thrown weapons and dancer is normally a support class. SE can do whatever they want.

Blue mage can work as much as any class. If you can't see how then you have a severe lack of imagination. They've translated other classes that seem like they would be difficult. Like red mage which was a jack of all trade class could do most things but couldn't master them. If it was added identical to how it was in other games it would do objectively less damage then black mage. But because balance they changed it and gave it a niche. Dark knight is always a "risk-it-all" DPS where they go into critical HP to deal insane damage. And yet they made them a tank in FFXIV so blue could easily be a tank. Summoner usually summons ultimate-esque magic for temporary summons that last one turn. Instead they summon permanent companions in FFXIV. They can easily translate blue mage into a real job. I could do it by myself I'm sure a fortune 500 company can easily accomplish it. Like any class can be translated. They can't always be perfect to their original intent in other games because it would be unbalanced or awkward. But they've already done this too other classes. Summoner, Red Mage, Dancer and Dark Knight being the major examples.

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I like them too. And the game already includes things that are for a relative minority, that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Everything can't be loved by every player, it isn't realistic.

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Yeah but no other future is virtually universally abhorred by an entire country of players. There is a minority feature and an extreme minority feature. MOST Japanese players straight up boycott it while most EU and NA players are like "eh it's okay but I'd prefer if it were a real job". It's a japanese game if you make something that your entire country of playerbase hates you know you messed up.

Beastmaster and Puppetmaster will only ever be Limited Jobs so...

1. If you want to complain about Chakrams as thrown weapons you're about... 20 years too late. Chakrams have been throwing weapons since the original FFIII. Whereas an 82 foot long whip is not exactly something FF is known for.

2. Within the context of FFXIV Dancers are still Support oriented. In general offline FF's don't have roles ((with the exception of Explorers) your average job is DPS with some form of utility outside of White Mage/Paladin really) like this game.

3. Dancers also aren't exclusively support. They started with the best trait they had being Sword Dance after all. If you wanted to make a point about the issues with Dancer it would be that it's never been a ranged DPS class, not that it's exclusively Support.

4. Dancer is ultimately irrelevant to your desire for a nearly 90 foot whip, which is pretty absurd sounding.

5. Blue Mage being able to work out in terms of roles is irrelevant to the issues with adding Blue Mage as a normal job.

6. Red Mages claim to fame, at least to me, is not being a Jack of All Trades. XI broke that already, as did Explorers, and the simple fact is they're poorly balanced so in order to be balanced they really can't be JoAT. It's that they use swords, white, and black. Red Mages still maintain that, so them being a specific role isn't really an issue. Blue Mage does not have that luxury.

7. Dark Knights have tank like qualities in offline FFs, so that's not really an argument. I also didn't say Blue Mages couldn't be tanks (I would say they don't really have those qualities in offline FFs, but that's a different subject matter). Though really Dark Knights aren't a great implementation.

8. Summons are kind of all over the place, and Summoners are poorly executed in this game, so not exactly seeing the argument here. They aren't exclusively one turn effects though.

9. Using poor executions of jobs as justification to continue to poorly translate jobs is not exactly something worth supporting. If you're argument can be easily summed up as a logical fallacy (tu quoque) then it isn't a good one.

10. I mean, as what you're proposing still doesn't entail removing the Limited Job aspect then nothing really changes in that regard. So it's kind of a moot point. I suppose you can use it as an excuse to not expand the concept, but honestly not even sure what citations you have to back up your claim it's "universally abhorred". Honestly doubt you have any. Note that anecdotal evidence or a lack of Malboro mounts are not evidence.

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1. If you want to complain about Chakrams as thrown weapons you're about... 20 years too late. Chakrams have been throwing weapons since the original FFIII. Whereas an 82 foot long whip is not exactly something FF is known for.

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Whips have been used as ranged weapons in the FF series before though, by being able to be used from the 'back row' just like other ranged weapons. Also, it wouldn't need to be 82 feet long, the maximum range for other ranged jobs is 25 yalms.
I don't see that as being a huge problem for whips, but ultimately it's an argument of credulity.

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Whips have been used as ranged weapons in the FF series before though, by being able to be used from the 'back row' just like other ranged weapons. Also, it wouldn't need to be 82 feet long, the maximum range for other ranged jobs is 25 yalms.
I don't see that as being a huge problem for whips, but ultimately it's an argument of credulity.

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Whips have been used as a melee weapon with reach before. Which... is what I said. Let's look at the actual game in the series that has range that goes beyond backrow and front row, the Tactics games.

Clothes in Final Fantasy Tactics (closest analog there is to Whips) have a reach of 2. Also the same reach as Flails, for what that's worth, and most importantly Spears. What about Bows and Guns? 3-8 for Guns, and 3-5 for Bows/Crossbows. So, here we see they don't have the same reach as actual proper ranged weapons. Although Whips... actually don't appear in TA/TA2 (which is surprising, I figured Beastmasters would use them but simply instruments it seems) Clothes still seem like a proper parallel, and again Bows/Guns have a lot longer of reach.

As for the "only needing 25" that's both wrong and kind of moot. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/C...nit_of_Measure puts 25 yalms at around 73 feet. Was a bit off on my recollection but that's still a ridiculously long whip.

Again, if you actually pay attention to the series the closest analog for this is a spear. A melee weapon with extended reach. Not a projectile weapon like the others.

I may be alone in this but instead of jobs per se it be cool if techniques were added to each job including added weapon and armor types. As some examples ninja got a assassin technique added that comes with more stealth offensive skills and less support oriented, maybe karsigamas as weapon and cloth clothing.
Samurai gets foot soldier and gains spear and heavy armor.
Monk gets bo staff etc.
Was just thinking of something for jobs start to get overdone. This way new features are added to freshen up everyone's mains.
Again prob not great idea lol.

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I may be alone in this but instead of jobs per se it be cool if techniques were added to each job including added weapon and armor types. As some examples ninja got a assassin technique added that comes with more stealth offensive skills and less support oriented, maybe karsigamas as weapon and cloth clothing.
Samurai gets foot soldier and gains spear and heavy armor.
Monk gets bo staff etc.
Was just thinking of something for jobs start to get overdone. This way new features are added to freshen up everyone's mains.
Again prob not great idea lol.

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Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, just not sure how they could do it here. I think of this sort of like Guild Wars 2 Elite Specializations...open up new weapon types and get some different abilities for already existing jobs.

On a personal level I hope the next job is either transformation based (with gimmicks changing a bit based on form, such you might be ranged, melee, and magical DPS type), or is like a melee magic based job (Golbez/Suaron/Ex-Death, clenching their fist for tornado, punching the earth for volcano, calling down meteors, etc sort imagery- perhaps dragoon armor based with heavy armor for their AF).

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I like them too. And the game already includes things that are for a relative minority, that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Everything can't be loved by every player, it isn't realistic.

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I think they should just not call them the classic job names, and give them their own pane rather than sharing the job section. Although far more costly I believe it would be more interesting to see them make them advanced, such that their limited side might be wacky but as true to role play fantasy as possible and their normal being balanced for regular content. Doesn't even need to be combat based, if whatever reason they wanted to say make Beastmaster a sort of DoL on one side.

If blue mage had been something else that would have taken so much of the sting out of it (even if it still used monster spells). However as it is, they can have all my salt till the end of time, they make some major changes, or their next mmo, which ever comes first lol.

I'd not be interested in their vision of PF old content like that at any point, but hey diversity of choices isn't a bad thing- but take a job I had really wanted to play, give a bunch of reasons that they break and walk all over themselves (reasons why it is why it is tend to be only partially true, and the truth seems to be "we wanted to do PF content and wanted to do it on a budget"), and you get me going from "cool it exists" like ultimate to "what in gods name did you do to my baby? I do not like this, I really do not like this, I think something went wrong".

If it was some side Eureka content, not blue mage, or whatever, I'd not be so critical, but because of their reasons and with what they did it with- blue mage quickly came into my top two saltiest things in this game to me (to the point I feel disappointed every time I look at my job list and see it is even in the same area as my other jobs, all of the other jobs I do actually like even if they're not my preferred style, which adds to the negative feeling as I liked all their normal jobs so it's extremely likely I would have liked normal blue). I do not think Blue Mage is that good, even when people talk about why they like it- the reasons seem to boil down to "different" which could have been done so many other ways, and when the reason is like 'gimmicks' then again this vision is not the only way they could have done it, very few of the reasons given are actually exclusively to what was done, but much of the dislike to the job from others is because of what was done, I do not think it is as good as it should be for what they were designing for. I feel there are significant content flaws in it's design even for what they are making it out to be, and to show that I'm capable of viewing things from different angles, one of the things I suggested, for others, was to add 100% drop rates when in a group which sharply changed some people's opinion of the job- that's when I still think it would have been much better normal / solo based, and not to say they did it because I said it but that I feel like I can shift perspective and think against my own interests. When I do that I still believe it has many problems, and ultimately I think it could have been a lot more fun via other options (either actual job, or just hog wild, rather than brought down to earth so they can force groups via PF- a concept I think could have been done better through like Magitek Armorcore like content, new magitek construction and piloting content). Also I remember Yoshida mentioning he said this long ago so it shouldn't be a surprise to people, so I want to say the first time he said this, back in ARR beta, I also said, back then, I'd find it disappointing and sad- so eeeeyy we both consistent lol.

So not bothered the type of content exists, it's fine to make something to encourage PF groups, but very disappointed in the what (BLU), why (reasons they gave are only partially true, if you follow them through to the design of the job), and how (feel there are some serious design concerns)- I feel it should have been done either differently (not through blue or different design goal) and or better (more time spent with the system).

Mystic Knight
Geomancer
Necromancer
Chemist

Honestly, I cannot even get excited for new jobs anymore.

Why?

Because of GNB/DNC/BLU.

Let me explain.

GNB/DNC are very disappointing to me.

First off, they feel like limited jobs in their own right.
How?
They have very limited weapon selections. This was not something that happened in FFXI.

So I have no clue why its acceptable here. FFXI is almost 20 years old, and its not plauged by these issues. The only excuse I would take is XIV is a budget game compared to XI. Which its not.

Secondly, the designs of the jobs themselves.
Each animation for all their attacks look far too similar to one another.
What I mean here, is for every job, the attacks have unique flair. MNK, probably being the most un-unique job of the base ones, and even its attacks are noticeably different. From Snap Punch to Demolish, and even more so with Elixir Field, and more specifically Arm of the Destroyer, and Four Point Fury, look nothing alike.

Then even more extreme cases are Full Thrust for DRG, and then Jump look absolutely nothing alike. Nor does Chaos Thrust look like Full Thrust.

Now for GNB and DNC. To me, all the attacks, AoE or not, look and sound extremely uniform. Nothing stands out at all. Especially went pitted up against a job like DRG or PLD or WAR. I mean its night and day.


BLU.

Blue mage is a flat out lie.

Its not a full job, and it absolutely is not an overpowered job.

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Its not even a solo job!!!!!! Its literally nothing it was supposed to be, or advertised as. Its a flat out lie.

More than half the actually useful skills like Tail Screw, or Petrify, completely fail to work on anything that matters. Even something so pathetic as a dungeon boss. Its foolishness this job is. Still fun to play, and fun content, but its a lie. Thats what I"m saying. Its not a full job, and it is nothing worth even mentioning when it comes to power. Which was the exact reason they said it needs to be a limited job.

What I'm getting is Square-Enix is just too lazy now.

Too lazy to create gear for jobs, and too lazy to balance anything thats even slightly out of the norm.

I'm dead serious. This type of thing didnt fly in FFXI. So there is absolutely no excuse for it.

So again. I just have no excitement for new jobs, because anything coming out is gutted and half baked.

Sorry, thats just how I feel.

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I mean, they could have called it something else, but it wouldn't make Blue Mage any more likely to show up as a "proper" job, which is the core issue really. Rose by any other name and all that too means it would likely have been a double issue if they said "well it's Blue Mage, we just didn't want to call it that", which arguably is what they did with classes in 1.0 and that... didn't work out too well.

I don't understand the BLU hate.

It's always been a very gimmicky busted job in the RPG versions, which doesn't really fit in an mmo setting. The class was completely busted in XI and they never got around to toning it down. It a strict trinity setting of Tank/Healer/DPS, blue mage doesn't really fit in, in my opinion. It's never going to be the odd, busted and wonky mage you want it to be from old FF titles, at least not running "real" content.

No matter how the class was implemented it was going to make a certain number of people unhappy.

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I mean, they could have called it something else, but it wouldn't make Blue Mage any more likely to show up as a "proper" job, which is the core issue really. Rose by any other name and all that too means it would likely have been a double issue if they said "well it's Blue Mage, we just didn't want to call it that", which arguably is what they did with classes in 1.0 and that... didn't work out too well.

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I think 1.0 not working out too well had a lot to do with other issues than the names of stuff lol. Having played it :p.

Don't need to turn this into how to make a blue mage thread but I'll just leave it at if you evaluate every single FF, that there is no reason blue has to be the way it is currently in FFXIV. There are potential benefits from going this route, benefits which I don't think they took to the fullest (like if they wanted 1:1 true to form, why in the world is fire angon not what it's supposed to be, or what angel whisper is historically, I mean we know why, for balance reasons, but that just makes it all so much more frustrating and why I have a hard time believing their reasons are either true and a bit misleading or they didn't do a good job following the rules they set forth for themselves and that the actual reason was because it was a budget friendly way to make PF content and anything else was just coincidence). Like I said though we should probably avoid disusing 'how blue could be' in this thread lol, so you can have last response on that so we don't derail anything after that, but if we find another thread I could do this all day, having looked at every blue due to the forums and this topic, blue doesn't require itself to be this way (like if you discussing gimmicks then we can point out all the other jobs with gimmicks too)- now you can tell me it can be this way and I'd say sure it could (not that I'd like or appreciate that choice), but if you tell me it 'had to be this way to be real' then I'm going to call plumber because we've got a lot to clean up . . in another thread. . lol :P.

As for no more limited jobs, bringing us back into point of the thread (which I'll respond to that if you address that from me, just don't want to intentionally derail a thread), I think they can add more I just don't think I'll like any of them if they make them similar to blue mage as I don't think that was very fun (or as fun as I had hoped and expect SE is capable of making it to be- which is why sometimes I say I think they could have done better, even if it was still limited but actually designed to be solo content I'd probably have liked it a lot more than the version where all mechanical value is forced behind PF, among other reasons). Perhaps their next limited job will have a lot more soul and care from the learning pains of the first limited job, maybe that one will be cool, I don't know, can't tell the future, but as they've already took the job I was interested and made it in a way I find uninteresting- so most of the pain is already done. Losing beastmaster or puppetmaster, personally, will be like "eh, oh well"- but I'm speaking personally some people might feel like how I felt about blue mage (as I, personally, am not really like "ohh I need to play that!!!" and as I said they might find a way to make those have more soul/interest to me, as I can't say they wont adapt/try something different). Still think it would be safer to do new concepts for limited though, even if it's just a veneer for the actual job- just to move it away. Beastmaster, now shepherd, or something like that :3.

beastmaster if added should be a tank wielding two axes,

also , mascot makes sense for healer 2 .. chemist is kinda already in the game as a discipline of hand so it being added would be stupid tbh

third... No to gambler we need to get corsair ... for Limsas pirate theme ... the guild already exist in limsa the duel wielding pistols already exist ..

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beastmaster if added should be a tank wielding two axes,

also , mascot makes sense for healer 2 .. chemist is kinda already in the game as a discipline of hand so it being added would be stupid tbh

third... No to gambler we need to get corsair ... for Limsas pirate theme ... the guild already exist in limsa the duel wielding pistols already exist ..

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I feel like if they were to add chemist it would be similar, but not actual chemist. I still think it’s going to be Medic.

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I feel like if they were to add chemist it would be similar, but not actual chemist. I still think it’s going to be Medic.

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I mean even in final fantasy tactics, all a chemist did was throw potions and get auto-pot abilities it was basically used to hand out potions for stuff and after you learned autopot passive it worthless.

I want to see some quick acrobatic fighting class that uses a bo staff

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sadly that ship sailed that would have been monk

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Oh certainly. But what I meant was that instead of continuing with how 1.0 did things (Conjurer and Thaumaturge as easy to point at classes they radically overhauled) they tried to bring it in line with traditional FF stuff again.

As far as evaluating every FF with Blue Mages goes, Blue Mages have certain consistent trends that make it as a normal job at the very least not feasible. You're going to run into a mechanical issue or tradition issue. You're welcome to pull up or make a new Blue Mage thread, but this is simply plain and true for how Blue Mages are. Blue Mages learn abilities from monsters (the closest you can find to an exception is VIII in that you can refine cards which come from monsters into items for Quistis, but it's more just a couple steps removed and still ultimately monster based) in a manner different from how other jobs learn abilities. This means that a Blue Mage in XIV, for instance, really shouldn't be learning spells simply by leveling up and job quests, which is how jobs currently get them. This means you're left with three options.

1. What we have currently or a variant of it. Not tied into the main stuff, but still is true Blue.
2. We cut out the traditional aspect. Wouldn't be the first job to do it, but that's just a tu quoque fallacy so it's not one I'm going to approve of.
3. We let it stay traditional but let it play with others without any other restrictions. Which just seems like opening up a mess of things honestly.

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I don't understand the BLU hate.

It's always been a very gimmicky busted job in the RPG versions, which doesn't really fit in an mmo setting. The class was completely busted in XI and they never got around to toning it down. It a strict trinity setting of Tank/Healer/DPS, blue mage doesn't really fit in, in my opinion. It's never going to be the odd, busted and wonky mage you want it to be from old FF titles, at least not running "real" content.

No matter how the class was implemented it was going to make a certain number of people unhappy.

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That's exactly why people want it implemented like that. They want the broken overpowered skills to be used in all current content. They want the job to be able to que up as any role.

As for me, I want a DPS Time Mage.

give us the musketeer guild you cowards

Chemist or Time Mage

Chemist a healer: Combined various effects of skills together to make more potent skills like a heal over time + a burst heal to create a burst heal that gives heal over time. A shield + a heal, etc etc and have stock of these items to use on hand. Sort've a dedication job where when you put in enough time amid the fight, the payoff makes up for more than enough of it.

Time Mage as a healer: Something akin to freezing your health bar and halting things to a stop 100%. Being able to create afterimages of characters that take aggro instead and things of that nature.

I think the issue with jobs like Pupettmaster and Beastmaster that they either have a collectables gimmick (consider how many of the minion pool are puppets) or could more easily be tied to one, thus not having a complete collection would be detrimental to clearing content in a normal DF environment, so as a result they would have to be Limited Jobs.

Granted Puppetmaster could theory work without using existing minions, but it would prolly be closer to MCH minus the guns.

Granted I'm of the seemingly rare opinion that the devs shouldn't abandon the limited job concept but focus on improving it and that if they were to be made into normal jobs, that they would inevitably start 20 levels below the cap as per dev and player convenience.

Of course this is off topic, so I give a more earnest answer for unlimited jobs.

I want to see a Rune Fencer/Mystic Knight/Magic Knight. a Swordsman that uses the En spells that exist in the game to enchant his weapons and execute attacks.

I want to see a Job that focuses on Symbols and runic powers, preferring drawing and drawing from the sigils associated with the Twelve to grant boons to the party and banes on the enemies (AKA a support class)

I want to see a Job that uses Hammers.

I don't know why everyone is sleeping on Geomancer but they are my favorite class! I would die of happiness plus there have been several hints in game for them.

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I don't know why everyone is sleeping on Geomancer but they are my favorite class! I would die of happiness plus there have been several hints in game for them.

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Geomancer is probably easily the most talked about job, and as it fits both Caster and Healer it's got good odds for popping up next expansion. I wouldn't be surprised if we see it show up as the first reveal honestly.

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I don't know why everyone is sleeping on Geomancer but they are my favorite class! I would die of happiness plus there have been several hints in game for them.

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I dunno about slept on. The Geomancer community is very very vocal both for caster and as healer. It’s also has the most buildup of any class in the game at this point.

I'm excited for it. In general new DoM excite me, they have the lore I like best, but I like Geomancer a lot in classic FF. I also try to subject the subject matter though getting info on it is dicey at best most of the time beyond the very Westernized version.

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Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

I'm excited for it. In general new DoM excite me, they have the lore I like best, but I like Geomancer a lot in classic FF. I also try to subject the subject matter though getting info on it is dicey at best most of the time beyond the very Westernized version.

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I really hope they stick with the purification and spirits theme. Whatever role it ends up being.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

I really hope they stick with the purification and spirits theme. Whatever role it ends up being.

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It's really hard to tell what they'll do with them. I feel like there are a lot of ways they can go, and they've kind of set up Kyokuho to go sideways from expectations with his whole "lost knowledge of the past/trying to mix in other stuff to make up for it" deal. I wonder if they'll have a pet aspect, or something resembling one. They certainly seem to lean more towards Onmyoudou stuff so I could see it.

As for purification I'm not sure quite how they could represent that. Maybe Dispel?