Gender Specific Mogstation purchases

I'm not even sure if this is the right place, but after sending in a request for support the response was literally "We can't help you, ask on the forums."

I purchased gender-locked mogstation items when my character was male. Since then, I have fantasiaed to female. These items have female equivalents.

Can I swap them for the female versions?

A follow up if I can't, why? I'm not asking for free items; take the male versions away and don't give me access to them. But I've paid $30+ for both of these sets together and to just be out that money because I wanted to play a different gender is super... Not Cool.

I think there's an NPC in each citystate that you can trade them in for the opposite equivalent if there is one. Something like the Calamity Salvager or something like that.

Try the Calamity Salvager. There's one in every major City-State (ARR only I think) and there's also a permit you can buy to have one in whatever housing you may have.

You can only swap certain things, pretty much nothing past Heavensward release I think, but that's where to do it.

I've spoken with the Calamity Salvager, but the number of items available to trade are incredibly limited.

The sets I got were Thancred's Modding (Y'shtola's Moddish would be the fem equivalent) and the Far Eastern Noble (Far Eastern Noblewoman that one's equivalent).

When I was googling for an answer, I found a post mentioning you could swap Lightning's attire for Snow's, and vice versa, but I can't find even where that can be done so I don't know if that was false or has now been removed.

not everything can be gender swapped.

Thancred is not a male-Y’shtola

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Originally Posted by Joven

I think there's an NPC in each citystate that you can trade them in for the opposite equivalent if there is one. Something like the Calamity Salvager or something like that.

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This is only true for certain items but not for any mog purchase as far I'm aware. Pretty much you have to buy the female version.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Thancred is not a male-Y’shtola

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Right?

https://www.readunwritten.com/wp-con.../giphy-140.gif

To my knowledge the only ones you can change from male to female, or vice-versa, are the event items. Other than that, you are S.O.L

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Originally Posted by IridescentHope

I'm not even sure if this is the right place, but after sending in a request for support the response was literally "We can't help you, ask on the forums."

I purchased gender-locked mogstation items when my character was male. Since then, I have fantasiaed to female. These items have female equivalents.

Can I swap them for the female versions?

A follow up if I can't, why? I'm not asking for free items; take the male versions away and don't give me access to them. But I've paid $30+ for both of these sets together and to just be out that money because I wanted to play a different gender is super... Not Cool.

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I think the moral of the story here today is: think twice before altering your gender.

From Thancred's Modish Attire page:
"Note
This set of attire is designed for male characters."

And if you check any of the pieces:
"Fits: All ♂"

You are the one who decided to buy those ítems after being told about it's restrictions

XIV is behind other MMOs in how they handle gear and costumes. With the other games I play (XI, AA, GW2), gear will automatically just change based on whatever gender your character is. No need to buy two separate versions. It's quite nice, XIV should give that a go.

As far as a customer service standpoint, I've gotta say I was spoiled by how BDO handles their cash shop purchases. You can contact them within a few days with just about all shop purchases, and they will refund you, no questions asked. You can try on outfits, wear them for a day, decide you hate it, and get a refund. It was completely unexpected when I played, but it was SO nice. XIV should also give that a shot. :3

Personally, I find it a bit odd that gender-locking is even a thing when it comes to mogstation items. To me, it seems natural that you'd want your items to have the widest appeal in order to maximize sales. Having items that are wearable by both genders simply casts a wider net. Would it take some extra work? Maybe. I don't know this game's innards well enough to say... but I do imagine it'd help them sell more Y'shtola robes if more people could wear em.

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

From Thancred's Modish Attire page:
"Note
This set of attire is designed for male characters."

And if you check any of the pieces:
"Fits: All ♂"

You are the one who decided to buy those ítems after being told about it's restrictions

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Not trying to be snappish at you, but the player bought the items as a male character, then gender swapped. They are hoping to be able to continue enjoying previous purchases as a new gender. No mistakes made.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

XIV is behind other MMOs in how they handle gear and costumes. With the other games I play (XI, AA, GW2), gear will automatically just change based on whatever gender your character is. No need to buy two separate versions. It's quite nice, XIV should give that a go.

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A lot of gear does change with gender. That's a problem for some people who would rather choose which style they wear rather than have it automatically change. A Y'shtola costume that automatically becomes Thancred on male characters would irritate some people.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

A lot of gear does change with gender. That's a problem for some people who would rather choose which style they wear rather than have it automatically change. A Y'shtola costume that automatically becomes Thancred on male characters would irritate some people.

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In addition to that, a shared auto-switching outfit can only have one icon attached to it.

See for example the Endless Summer set with the men's shirt and shorts icons attached to the gear even if you're a female character wearing the frilly top and bikini bottoms.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

A lot of gear does change with gender. That's a problem for some people who would rather choose which style they wear rather than have it automatically change. A Y'shtola costume that automatically becomes Thancred on male characters would irritate some people.

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Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was originally posting this with Mogstation purchases in mind.

Most in-game gear does change like you mentioned, but there are still several sets of clothing on the MB that have a male/female variant as well (swimsuits, Quaintrelle/Boulevardier, Thavnairian shirt/dress, Ramie Tabard/Dhalmelskin Coat, Gryphonskin Breastguard/Uraeus Body armor, High House Bustle/High House Justaucorps). I'm missing a few in there, but I think you get the idea. It just seems rather archaic to me that SE intentionally designed a male/female variant for those sets, but instead of simply just letting people buy one item and having it change appearance based on their current gender, you have to buy both if you happen to switch at any point.

And I am not saying that Y'shtola should turn into Thancred, that was only the OP. They obviously are very different characters, with very different outfits. If they're going to release a specific NPC's outfit, why not design an outfit based on that for both male and female right from the start? Or if they want to take shortcuts, just simply unlock the exact outfit as-is for everyone and stretch it to fit. The latter option tends to make some gear look really bad on the non-intended gender, but hey, at least everyone then gets the option if they want it.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

In addition to that, a shared auto-switching outfit can only have one icon attached to it.

See for example the Endless Summer set with the men's shirt and shorts icons attached to the gear even if you're a female character wearing the frilly top and bikini bottoms.

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This is only how SE has chosen to implement that. But if SE gave you the option to buy an outfit only once that would work for both male & female instead of having to buy both, would you honestly turn up your nose at that option because the icon will show only one version of it?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

This is only how SE has chosen to implement that. But if SE gave you the option to buy an outfit only once that would work for both male & female instead of having to buy both, would you honestly turn up your nose at that option because the icon will show only one version of it?

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I'm not saying I would, just that it's a logical reason why they might want to create two separate items instead of one gender-dependent one.

The fact that they don't let you trade between them is a different kettle of fish.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm not saying I would, just that it's a logical reason why they might want to create two separate items instead of one gender-dependent one.

The fact that they don't let you trade between them is a different kettle of fish.

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That seems like it would be a rather horrible reason for them not to implement both genders on one piece of gear. :X "Hey guys, some players will be upset that the icon doesn't match their current gender, we better make them buy two separate items instead!" *high-five*

I know in GW2, some of the outfit icons will show both gender visuals on it while some just show one variant (but the outfit itself still works for both). If icons are truly a concern for SE, I'm sure they could design a better icon.

GW2 icon for reference

https://i.imgur.com/XZ9p1Mw.jpg

Going back to the Mogstation outfits real fast - If they wanted to keep NPC outfits locked to only one gender, I do get that..sort of. I still think they should design the outfit for both genders, but ultimately this is SE's call. However, there are a lot of sets in there that are designed around a single theme, but have been split into two separate purchases (Mun Gaek/Eastern Socialite, Far Eastern Schoolgirl/schoolboy uniform, Far Eastern Maiden/Officer, Faerie Tale Prince/Princess, Nezha Lord/Lady, Loyal Housemaid/Butler, Eastern garb for men/women, etc). That isn't even all of them, but that should be enough to give an idea.

If they can't make it automatically swap apperances due to technical issues, I understand - this is after all XIV and limitations are plenty. But they already have an NPC in game that can do a gender-swap for a select few outfits - they really should add the remaining cash shop items as well. Making players purchase the same outfit twice (if they want to be able to use it when they fanta) with no option to switch the outfit in-game just feels bad.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Not trying to be snappish at you, but the player bought the items as a male character, then gender swapped. They are hoping to be able to continue enjoying previous purchases as a new gender. No mistakes made.

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Correction, they bought an outfit and now want a separate outfit instead. They still have that purchase.

All outfits should be gender neutral and just fit them to male or female bodies. ESO does it well.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Correction, they bought an outfit and now want a separate outfit instead. They still have that purchase.

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I was under the impression they wanted to use the same outfit and that they mistakenly thought that Yshtola //was// the fem version of Thancred.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I was under the impression they wanted to use the same outfit and that they mistakenly thought that Yshtola //was// the fem version of Thancred.

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Thancred and Y'shtola modish attire are like their own little bundle styled after that speciific character, each including a hairstyle.

People will find everything to complain about

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

People will find everything to complain about

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It's difficult not to complain sometimes when this is a non-issue in many other MMOs as gear automatically changes to match the gender, and some of those are older than ffxiv.

XIV has a habit of handling things in convoluted ways, and this could be considered one of them. It's ridiculous that XIVs solution to using an already purchased item when you Fantasia is "hey, go buy another one for the other gender now, thanks!".

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

XIV has a habit of handling things in convoluted ways, and this could be considered one of them. It's ridiculous that XIVs solution to using an ready purchased item when you Fantasia is "hey, go buy another one for the other gender now, thanks!".

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While I would say this would be reasonable for the Far Eastern Noble/Noblemwoman attire, but he also wants his Thancred outfit to be exchanged for the Y'shtola one, which is completely unreasonable because they aren't equivalent at all.

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Originally Posted by Raltar

While I would say this would be reasonable for the Far Eastern Noble/Noblemwoman attire, but he also wants his Thancred outfit to be exchanged for the Y'shtola one, which is completely unreasonable because they aren't equivalent at all.

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Yeah, that last bit was a bit of a stretch to me as well, but like you said there are many outfits on the shop that do have a normal male/female equivalent. Would be nice for them to implement some way to swap these without needing to buy a new set (either through the calamity NPC, or just fixing the gear to swap automatically in-game).

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Thancred and Y'shtola modish attire are like their own little bundle styled after that speciific character, each including a hairstyle.

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Correct. It was their misunderstanding, not mine.