Can we please remove old content that no one does anymore for more dev time?

There are a total of 192 duties now when you open Duty Finder, and most people don't do a lot of those content anymore. For example, not a lot of people do guildhests anymore. 99% of players have never beaten Solemn Trinity, for a good reason. Newer content is more enjoyable and interesting and old content like guildhests seem boring in comparison. I think the devs should have the courage to simply delete some of these old content so they have more time to develop new content. If they deleted guildhests we would probably be able to get one more Bozja Citadel step, and I think most people would prefer the latter.

You do realize that deleting content which already exists doesn't turn back the clock, or otherwise enhance their ability to develop things quickly?

If anything, making them go back and remove things form the game would only take away dev time.

I know this is a troll topic and removing content is stupid but...

Something has to be done. The roulettes are not enough anymore to fill the queues. We have too much content and there are not enough people in the roulettes to fill all those 8-man trials and 24 man raids. The roulettes worked in ARR and HW, but nowadays you have to wait for hours to progress through the stuff.

I use guilldheists for Challenge log.

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Originally Posted by Tint

I know this is a troll topic and removing content is stupid but...

Something has to be done. The roulettes are not enough anymore to fill the queues. We have too much content and there are not enough people in the roulettes to fill all those 8-man trials and 24 man raids. The roulettes worked in ARR and HW, but nowadays you have to wait for hours to progress through the stuff.

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Yea and this is a troll response in a troll topic. I have never waited the times you suggest for anything in this game.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Yea and this is a troll response in a troll topic. I have never waited the times you suggest for anything in this game.

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I have an AUS friend who regularly encountered 1.5 hour queue times while trying to progress through Omega normal. I once waited 2.5 hours to get into one of the stormblood Alliance Raids. Even during off-peak hours, that's pretty excessive.

This issue seems to unsurprisingly affect ilevel-cheese prone duties like Normal Raids and Alliance Raids the most, so fixing that may be a reasonable place to start.

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Originally Posted by Odstarva

You do realize that deleting content which already exists doesn't turn back the clock, or otherwise enhance their ability to develop things quickly?

If anything, making them go back and remove things form the game would only take away dev time.

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Actually, design by subtraction is used a lot in other video games. http://www.thesaint.scot/2017/03/fum...y-subtraction/ Maybe Square Enix can consider subtracting some of the content in FF14 too?

How, exactly, would deleting old content equate to adding new content? Aside from the occasional scaling that (I assume) must be done (but for only some of it), old content is dead development content. In fact, putting in the effort to remove that content - pulling, say, an old raid that's a part of some storyline - would likely generate much more dev. work than simply leaving it alone.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I have an AUS friend who regularly encountered 1.5 hour queue times while trying to progress through Omega normal. I once waited 2.5 hours to get into one of the stormblood Alliance Raids. Even during off-peak hours, that's pretty excessive.

This issue seems to unsurprisingly affect ilevel-cheese prone duties like Normal Raids and Alliance Raids the most, so fixing that may be a reasonable place to start.

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99% chance they are on one of the Japanese data centres but didn't have their duty finder set to include Japanese. The queue times are awful if you're waiting on, ultimately, two eligible tanks and two healers from a minority language to be in the roulette at the same time.

Levelling roulette ignores language settings, but everything else follows it.

The worst queue I have ever encountered (outside of misguided attempts to queue for EX trials) was a 40-minute wait to get into Orbonne when it wasn't current, and that's because my first queue came up unexpectedly quickly so I missed it.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

How, exactly, would deleting old content equate to adding new content? Aside from the occasional scaling that (I assume) must be done (but for only some of it), old content is dead development content. In fact, putting in the effort to remove that content - pulling, say, an old raid that's a part of some storyline - would likely generate much more dev. work than simply leaving it alone.

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Why is everyone saying this? You can delete files by just dragging them to the Recycle Bin and I imagine it's not that different on a gaming development platform. Deleting old content gives them more memory to work with.

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Originally Posted by RagingStallion

Why is everyone saying this? You can delete files by just dragging them to the Recycle Bin and I imagine it's not that different on a gaming development platform. Deleting old content gives them more memory to work with.

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Oh my lord. This thread is how you launched - and then sank - your forum career.

Dear, don't talk about MMO development, please, when you clearly haven't the foggiest notion of how even basic triggering, quest chains, and so on work.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

99% chance they are on one of the Japanese data centres but didn't have their duty finder set to include Japanese. The queue times are awful if you're waiting on, ultimately, two eligible tanks and two healers from a minority language to be in the roulette at the same time.

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They play on NA during offpeak hours, so I guess it's the 1%. Roulette's themselves aren't generally a problem, it's content in exploitable roulette's that rely on roulette groups to fill.

Just because you may not do the old content, doesnt mean others dont. Or that new players coming in dont do it...
I for one consistently go back and replay old content (with the exception of PvP but only because I dont PvP)

But really, its already content they've created. There's nothing holding the dev team back in this regard. What is holding them back is COVID. So I guess if we want dev time to go back to normal we'd be better served by doing our part to slow its spread while we wait for better treatments.

I would actually like to see guildhests come back at max level as just short duties with some wacky situations or mechanics.

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Originally Posted by GrumbleBeard

I would actually like to see guildhests come back at max level as just short duties with some wacky situations or mechanics.

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This is the only useful suggestion in this troll thread. If only we should ask for even more content. if noone plays guildhests then this is the way to make it relevant again and teach people some of the new mechanics.

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Originally Posted by RagingStallion

Why is everyone saying this? You can delete files by just dragging them to the Recycle Bin and I imagine it's not that different on a gaming development platform. Deleting old content gives them more memory to work with.

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Ok...
"Memory" isn't a problem, it doesn't hold anything back. It's in the game, it's done.

Removing content is not the same as just hitting the delete button. Very quest chain could reference that content, you'd have to rewrite NPC dialogue, recode quest chains with new requirements and unlocks, etc.

They are actually working on removing some content though, a bunch if fetch quests from ARR and the 2.x patch chain. Note the word "working", removing this content is costing dev time.

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Originally Posted by RagingStallion

Why is everyone saying this? You can delete files by just dragging them to the Recycle Bin and I imagine it's not that different on a gaming development platform. Deleting old content gives them more memory to work with.

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Deleting files yes, deleting content no. No, it would not give them more memory to work with.
You clearly have no clue whatsoever as to how game development works, and I don't feel like educating you, so I will just summarize by saying that deleting old content will not help the developers at all with creating new content.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

They play on NA during offpeak hours, so I guess it's the 1%. Roulette's themselves aren't generally a problem, it's content in exploitable roulette's that rely on roulette groups to fill.

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Not sure how it was relevant that they're Australian then... unless that was meant to stand for something else. But anyway.

(Edit: Oh of course, because they're in an Australian timezone trying to queue on an American server that's half a day out of synch with them. Can't put that entirely down to the cheesers then.)

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Oh my lord. This thread is how you launched - and then sank - your forum career.

Dear, don't talk about MMO development, please, when you clearly haven't the foggiest notion of how even basic triggering, quest chains, and so on work.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Just because you may not do the old content, doesnt mean others dont. Or that new players coming in dont do it...
I for one consistently go back and replay old content (with the exception of PvP but only because I dont PvP)

But really, its already content they've created. There's nothing holding the dev team back in this regard. What is holding them back is COVID. So I guess if we want dev time to go back to normal we'd be better served by doing our part to slow its spread while we wait for better treatments.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Ok...
"Memory" isn't a problem, it doesn't hold anything back. It's in the game, it's done.

Removing content is not the same as just hitting the delete button. Very quest chain could reference that content, you'd have to rewrite NPC dialogue, recode quest chains with new requirements and unlocks, etc.

They are actually working on removing some content though, a bunch if fetch quests from ARR and the 2.x patch chain. Note the word "working", removing this content is costing dev time.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Deleting files yes, deleting content no. No, it would not give them more memory to work with.
You clearly have no clue whatsoever as to how game development works, and I don't feel like educating you, so I will just summarize by saying that deleting old content will not help the developers at all with creating new content.

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OP bears a remarkable resemblance to a recent forum troll whose specialty was making inane topics and requests. It's most likely not worth the effort of arguing logic.

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Originally Posted by Tint

The roulettes worked in ARR and HW, but nowadays you have to wait for hours to progress through the stuff.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

They play on NA during offpeak hours, so I guess it's the 1%. Roulette's themselves aren't generally a problem, it's content in exploitable roulette's that rely on roulette groups to fill.

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It's not even a good troll response either, because I regularly play during NA off-peak hours, and can usually get into roulettes within about 10 minutes, even as a DPS. Maybe it's faster because I have most things unlocked? I suppose if you only unlocked LotA and no other alliance raids after that, I can see how the queue might take a long time. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Iscah

99% chance they are on one of the Japanese data centres but didn't have their duty finder set to include Japanese. The queue times are awful if you're waiting on, ultimately, two eligible tanks and two healers from a minority language to be in the roulette at the same time.

Levelling roulette ignores language settings, but everything else follows it.

The worst queue I have ever encountered (outside of misguided attempts to queue for EX trials) was a 40-minute wait to get into Orbonne when it wasn't current, and that's because my first queue came up unexpectedly quickly so I missed it.

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I have waited (not actively, like doing things irl in range to hear the queue pop) more than an hour and a half to try to complete Ridorana and Rabanastre on my alt once I knew they would be necessary for the ShB relic. I play on NA and have just English enabled.

These queue times happen and it is due to ilvl cheese. It needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

I play on NA and have just English enabled.

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You may want to enable other languages too. I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but I think I've only encountered one other player not speaking English anyway, and it didn't affect the duty at all so it can't hurt either.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

It's not even a good troll response either, because I regularly play during NA off-peak hours, and can usually get into roulettes within about 10 minutes, even as a DPS. Maybe it's faster because I have most things unlocked? I suppose if you only unlocked LotA and no other alliance raids after that, I can see how the queue might take a long time. :rolleyes:

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I don't talk about queuing into roulettes, of course that's fast, I am talking about queueing directly into Rabanastre, Dun Scaith, the easy mode trials of Sophia, Suzaku or Yojinbo. Content wich needs 8 or more people and are not part of the MSQ. These queues will take a long time and the roulettes, wich should help to fill those queues, are seemingly not enough anymore when more and more content gets added to them.

I see TitanMen has made a new account.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

I have waited (not actively, like doing things irl in range to hear the queue pop) more than an hour and a half to try to complete Ridorana and Rabanastre on my alt once I knew they would be necessary for the ShB relic. I play on NA and have just English enabled.

These queue times happen and it is due to ilvl cheese. It needs to go.

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Unfortunately I think it's one of those things that is a lot more widespread on the American data centres than the Japanese ones, so the dev team don't see it happening so much.

Add in the fact that even without that element, you're naturally going to have less people queuing who are eligible for the Lv70 raids than the Lv50 ones. If you assumed an even spread of people of various levels queuing, anyone at levels 50-69 isn't able to access Ivalice even if they wanted. That's two thirds of the roulette automatically ineligible, and likely to drag the last third down to their level. Assuming that third aren't the ones who are cheesing...

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Deleting files yes, deleting content no. No, it would not give them more memory to work with.
You clearly have no clue whatsoever as to how game development works, and I don't feel like educating you, so I will just summarize by saying that deleting old content will not help the developers at all with creating new content.

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Everyone calling this a troll thread, yet this is exactly what Bungie are doing with Destiny 2. Luke Smith has said that removing old content will let them create more new and better content. Don't think a lot of people here really understand programming, and how whenever adding something new to the game, it could cause issues in content way back down the line, which they then have to spend time to fix.

Everytime an update is released in D2, many bugs find their way back in, and then the devs are having to waste time fixing them. The example they gave was that they had to spend time fixing bugs that had appeared in content that less than 0.5% of players had touched in the last 3 months. The more content that you add to games, the more scope there is for things to go wrong upon adding even more.

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Everyone calling this a troll thread, yet this is exactly what Bungie are doing with Destiny 2. Luke Smith has said that removing old content will let them create more new and better content. Don't think a lot of people here really understand programming, and how whenever adding something new to the game, it could cause issues in content way back down the line, which they then have to spend time to fix.

Everytime an update is released in D2, many bugs find their way back in, and then the devs are having to waste time fixing them. The example they gave was that they had to spend time fixing bugs that had appeared in content that less than 0.5% of players had touched in the last 3 months. The more content that you add to games, the more scope there is for things to go wrong upon adding even more.

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Yeah, but destiny 2 is even more of a mess imo because of that. Like, I went to go back to the game recently, and it was just a mess with stuff being all over the place and changed so much. You start a new character and it just throws you in randomly without giving you any ability to go through the intro. Immediately turned me off from it.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Oh my lord. This thread is how you launched - and then sank - your forum career.

Dear, don't talk about MMO development, please, when you clearly haven't the foggiest notion of how even basic triggering, quest chains, and so on work.

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He began his forum career years ago. This is just his comeback.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I have an AUS friend who regularly encountered 1.5 hour queue times while trying to progress through Omega normal. I once waited 2.5 hours to get into one of the stormblood Alliance Raids. Even during off-peak hours, that's pretty excessive.

This issue seems to unsurprisingly affect ilevel-cheese prone duties like Normal Raids and Alliance Raids the most, so fixing that may be a reasonable place to start.

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Lower ilvl sync on the old ARR 24 mans would be a start. Labrynth of the Ancients syncing down to 110/120 when the it should be ~ ilvl 60 (maybe 90 max) or so.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

99% chance they are on one of the Japanese data centres but didn't have their duty finder set to include Japanese.

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This should no longer work? i though after a 10 min or smt the languages are ignored.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I have an AUS friend who regularly encountered 1.5 hour queue times while trying to progress through Omega normal. I once waited 2.5 hours to get into one of the stormblood Alliance Raids. Even during off-peak hours, that's pretty excessive.

This issue seems to unsurprisingly affect ilevel-cheese prone duties like Normal Raids and Alliance Raids the most, so fixing that may be a reasonable place to start.

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Yes i had the same issue with friends on shiva, during any time that isnt 17:00-18:00.

Honestly if its too much work or they simply dont want to, to not upset ppl, then pls, just give us a roulett for each of the raids...

Honestly he has a point for guildheists and the same reasoning could be applied to battle guildleaves, people hardly do those and this content has been stale for years.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I have an AUS friend who regularly encountered 1.5 hour queue times while trying to progress through Omega normal. I once waited 2.5 hours to get into one of the stormblood Alliance Raids. Even during off-peak hours, that's pretty excessive.

This issue seems to unsurprisingly affect ilevel-cheese prone duties like Normal Raids and Alliance Raids the most, so fixing that may be a reasonable place to start.

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omega pops fast, tell your friend to play when people are actually online and not search french only parties.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

You may want to enable other languages too. I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but I think I've only encountered one other player not speaking English anyway, and it didn't affect the duty at all so it can't hurt either.

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To add, enable Join Party In Progress in your Duty Finder settings.
That way you can jump ahead in line when a party needs a member after one had dropped/got kicked while already in a Duty.

I wouldn't worry about content that will end up dying; the Developers will adjust it when that time comes if things start to slow down too much on Servers.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Oh my lord. This thread is how you launched - and then sank - your forum career.

Dear, don't talk about MMO development, please, when you clearly haven't the foggiest notion of how even basic triggering, quest chains, and so on work.

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I don't use parsers and I don't think you should expect people to use them as well. Not everyone knows how triggers work.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Oh my lord. This thread is how you launched - and then sank - your forum career.

Dear, don't talk about MMO development, please, when you clearly haven't the foggiest notion of how even basic triggering, quest chains, and so on work.

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No need to be rude to OP. His point doesn't make sense but there is definitely a bloat of content that no one does anymore.

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Originally Posted by FF16Necromancer

No need to be rude to OP. His point doesn't make sense but there is definitely a bloat of content that no one does anymore.

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Necroing your own threads now?

Geez that's sad...

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Originally Posted by Razard

Necroing your own threads now?

Geez that's sad...

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When you respond, YOU GIVE HIM THE ENCOURAGEMENT HE'S LOOKING FOR.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

When you respond, YOU GIVE HIM THE ENCOURAGEMENT HE'S LOOKING FOR.

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Calm that capslock, skippy. You might blow a blood vessel.

Just a bit of advice. You don't beat trolls by screeching at them, you defeat them with mockery.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Calm that capslock, skippy. You might blow a blood vessel.

Just a bit of advice. You don't beat trolls by screeching at them, you defeat them with mockery.

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Caps lock necessary because you, somehow, seriously responded to them so I wanted to make sure you got the message loud and clear. You don't beat them by responding to them, either.

JuSt A bIt Of AdViCe. Doughnut.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

Caps lock necessary because you, somehow, seriously responded to them so I wanted to make sure you got the message loud and clear. You don't beat them by responding to them, either.

JuSt A bIt Of AdViCe. Doughnut.

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Wait. You thought my initial post was serious?
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/.../403/Girls.jpg

Maybe I should've put in /s for the slow among us.

DoNt GiVe AdViCe iF YoU ArEn'T QuAlIfIeD. Sweety.