Incentives to tank and heal need to be buffed significantly

So as a tank right now after I complete the daily the incentive to queue when something says (need a tank) is just laughable. The incentive is 7,000 gil. Maybe when the game first last that might have been good but it needs to be buffs far far more.Fair amount I think would be 50,000 gil. This also applies to healers. No matter the queue after you finish the daily reward the extra incentive to fill a certain role is laughable across the board.

This needs to be fixed. Every other MMO I have seen puts large rewards for filling certain role slots. The current 7,000 gil is just not going to do it. This especially applies if I am capped on currency by Thursday. The difference between dps and heal/tank queue times is extremely significant and can be addressed easily.

50,000 gil is ridiculous when you consider just how many duties will be listed as need bonus tank. At 50k gil you could run 4 a day and be making 200k. Which is far too much gil to be earning just because you tanked. (plus the normal gil from running the dungeon at all)
And lets face it, the average content that you could choose to run that would allow for bonuses is laughably easy as a tank or healer.
The incentives are just fine. Your reward for tanking/healing is damn near instant-queues as it is.

Plus adding gil into the game willy nilly tends to cause economy issues. Inflated pricing, etc.

There is no need for the game to hand you that much money per bonus run.

need also gives you free materia for leveling and 24mans which depending the prices is at least worth 50k

Well, the game already has a problem with too much Gil production and no Gil sink, no?

How much do you need to give to make players want to do tank jobs if there is nothing to spend Gil on in the first place? It is not like you can buy a house with it, :p

What other awards would you like to see? Tomestones only help so little given the weekly cap, unless you farming the uncapped secondary tomes.

Perhaps they can produce some sort of WT token systems where filling in the needed roles gives you a token to be traded for various rewards of YOUR choice. Like that moogle event but with a much larger prize pool?

There are also tank-mounts, aswell was cracked clusters (aka: materia of your choice) as rewards for tanks (while the later can also be achieved by healers and dps, since its tied to the "Adventurer in need"-bonus). On top of that you usually get faster queue-times as tank or healer than you do as dps.

As someone whos maining Paladin since 2.0 I think the strongest incentive to play a tank - or healer, or dps - should be that you want to play that job. I dont main a tank because I want those gil or the mounts, but because I enjoy playing that job - not everyone enjoys playing a tank (or healer. Or dps.), but I doubt that even more rewards will motivate a lot of people to play a job they dont actually want to play.
...and if you're only in the tank-buisness to get some extra goodies and not because you enjoy the job, maybe you should look for a different job to play? One that you actually enjoy for its gameplay and mechanics, not for some extra reward?

Tanking and Healing is laughabel easy, at the very least in dungeons. Theres nothing about it that warrants "special treatment" or special rewards, tanks and healers dont have it any harder than dps-jobs - there are just less people that like playing tanks and healers, so the incentives are there to motivate at least the odd person to run their roulette as one of those jobs. If the rewards arent good enough for you (...seriously, the fast queue times alone are good enough for me!), you can always decide that you rather stick to dps?
Trust me: 50k gil wont get a lot of people into roulettes - DRK didnt manage to convert a lot of people to tanking, and gil are pretty much useless in the first place. The truth simply is that more people enjoy playing dps and you can only do so much to convince them to play a job they dont want to play. And honestly: I dont think having a lot of tanks who are only in it for the reward is a good idea or will make for very pleasent dungeon runs - same goes for healers.

50k is overkill. I rather they focus on making the roles more engaging to play instead of tryingbto bribe people into playing them.

tank-has enough lol auto qs+bonuses non stop+mounts for each job
Healer-does it needs a mount reward for so many high ends like the tanks get

Isn't the instant queue incentive enough? XD

I think Tanks are fine as they are tbh, maybe Healers could do with a little more of a nudge, and I'd personally love to see some Healer mounts like the Tank mounts.

Giving more Gil isn't much of an incentive. Any amount of Gil that would be enough of an incentive would be too much to give out in a daily roulette.

Tanks are already spoiled enough as it is. They already get a bunch of mounts just for running content.

Healers get....a unicorn. At lv.30. And a pat on the back? I guess?

Both get instant pops. Lately, it's healers getting more so than tanks. I'll take that over gil any day.

You also get materia that sells anywhere from 10k-30k each depending on server.

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Originally Posted by TyrTry

Tanks are already spoiled enough as it is. They already get a bunch of mounts just for running content.

Healers get....a unicorn. At lv.30. And a pat on the back? I guess?

Both get instant pops. Lately, it's healers getting more so than tanks. I'll take that over gil any day.

You also get materia that sells anywhere from 10k-30k each depending on server.

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Well tbh my healer doesn't get instant pop any more been getting 9min qs on white mage my warrior however its like 5 seconds pop lol

Gil already has so little value in this game. Giving that sort of bonus would add yet another nail into the coffin that is crafting. Furthermore, your reward is getting into the dungeon/trial/raid significantly faster than DPS players.

They have enough incentives already for tanks and healers. Shadowbringers even dumbed both rolls down considerably yet the queues inevitably stayed the same—or actually became worse with healers. Why? People simply don't like either roles given their increased responsibility. You can stuff all the gil and mounts you fancy but three expansions have proven people aren't going to veer that far from their preferences. In fact, one could argue Shadowbringers made things worse as many veteran healers abandoned the role in droves due to how simplistic and boring they felt the gameplay became. Constantly adding incentives and making things too accessible can often have the opposite effect.

f you are like me and inherently enjoy tanking, you'll almost always get more out of your play time with instant queues. That's already enough. Don't give us anything more. We are massively spoiled. The AIN bonus generally means fast queues, so really it could give nothing but you'd still want to queue up if you wanted to get in faster. Nevermind how we are getting 2 free mounts per job. Tank mains already have huge levels of entitlement and some of the first people likely to leave or threaten to kick if things don't go their way. Don't want to give them any more. Everyone has a job or role they like to play... If you like tanking, congratulations, we get to be the most spoiled role.

If we want to talk about healer incentives, how about we make them more fun to play. Incentivize people with a better play experience.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

Well tbh my healer doesn't get instant pop any more been getting 9min qs on white mage my warrior however its like 5 seconds pop lol

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Yeah. Most likely a serving thing. I use to brag about my instant pops back when I was a tank main and now my healer friends is rubbing it in my face.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Isn't the instant queue incentive enough? XD

I think Tanks are fine as they are tbh, maybe Healers could do with a little more of a nudge, and I'd personally love to see some Healer mounts like the Tank mounts.

Giving more Gil isn't much of an incentive. Any amount of Gil that would be enough of an incentive would be too much to give out in a daily roulette.

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Seen this comment a few times "instant queue lulz".

It is instant queue because after you finish the daily and get the reward you are done. If Square expects me to put up with the just wonderful experience in LFG /SarcasmOn then they need to increase the rewards. There is just no arguing that the current rewards after you finish the daily are a remote incentive.

Also to the guy who has been tanking since 2.0. I have been tanking since the 1990's across multiple MMO's so yeah I like the role but to incentive tanks/healers to get into the roulette's and leveling queues there needs to be more. Add whatever you want but the current reward is just no sufficient and the queue times prove me very correct.

I am also not saying this for just tanks but the DPS who very often have 25+ min queue times even on very populated servers. Once you cap currency and do the dailies the incentives to go back in are little to none OR not very clear to most tanks and healers.

The incentive to tank/heal is instant or near-instant queue times.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Seen this comment a few times "instant queue lulz".

It is instant queue because after you finish the daily and get the reward you are done. If Square expects me to put up with the just wonderful experience in LFG /SarcasmOn then they need to increase the rewards. There is just no arguing that the current rewards after you finish the daily are a remote incentive.

Also to the guy who has been tanking since 2.0. I have been tanking since the 1990's across multiple MMO's so yeah I like the role but to incentive tanks/healers to get into the roulette's and leveling queues there needs to be more. Add whatever you want but the current reward is just no sufficient and the queue times prove me very correct.

I am also not saying this for just tanks but the DPS who very often have 25+ min queue times even on very populated servers. Once you cap currency and do the dailies the incentives to go back in are little to none OR not very clear to most tanks and healers.

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Thats the idea behind the roulettes, though: That they give you a big daily reward once per day, and only little incentive afterwards. You get that very big boost once a day to help you progress (be it tomestones or exp) a little bit faster, but after that its back to the rewards from the actual dungeon.
My best guess is that the system is set up in such a way to control our progress speed and prevent burn-out, thus keeping you subbed longer - and making someone return to the queue tomorrow, so that even people who dont cap on tuesday still get a chance to reach their weekly goals.

Strong disagree from my side that there need to be better rewards for tanks (there should/could be mounts for healers, though!). I dont believe that its the lack of rewards that keeps people from playing those roles, but the lack of general intrest. The tank-mounts are amongst the more rare mounts as is, showing a lack of intrest in taking on these roles even for a mount (...or a lack of intrest in the mounts, granted). DRK was supposed to attract non-tanks that wanted to play that iconic job to try tanking - didnt work.
At the end of the day the majority of people would rather play dps than tank/heal - and they wont be bribed into playing something they dont enjoy.

I have played other MMO's where straight out bribes work. They just simply do. Some people would rather have tanking be there main source of income vs doing things like crafting or gathering. Compared to other MMO's asking for it to be buffed to 50k is honestly low. If I compare it to WoW then it would need to be buffed to 250k to be comparable on what they reward tanks who queue when they are needed.

The rewards are pretty significant and when that reward pops up tanks and healers queue immediately. It is not the playerbases fault that Square has not made an efficient gil sync. I am just offering a solution that a lot of veterans might find stupid but it would not hurt to try as the downside is minimal. Trust me if gil inflation was Squares concern they could address it in a 100 other different ways.

What I don't want to see is tanking dumbed down even further because they do not understand what is actually causing the issue.

I'm a Tank main and Gil isn't the answer... The answer is sharing EXP. IE, once I am 80. Let me link a job and when I do level, 50/60/70, MSQ, or other roulette let me share 25% of what would have been gained EXP to another job.

It's not that these classes aren't fun or engaging; it's that players don't want the added responsibility. Bribes are probably the best way to encourage people to try it out, but gil is a bad one to go with. This games economy is already bloated with gil to the point where crafting and the market boards are being trivialized. I think a greater variety of cosmetic rewards would be the best approach.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not that these classes aren't fun or engaging; it's that players don't want the added responsibility. Bribes are probably the best way to encourage people to try it out, but gil is a bad one to go with. This games economy is already bloated with gil to the point where crafting and the market boards are being trivialized. I think a greater variety of cosmetic rewards would be the best approach.

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What is a tanks responsibility anyways most you gotta do is get a teather along with holding lol... dps has way more responsibility than a tank does .... Healer however has a lot

I think a more appropriate "in need[ROLE]" reward would be something like

ARR dungeons: 5 Allied Seals

HW-SB Dungeons 5 Centurio Seals

ShB Dungeons 5 Sack Of Nuts

Trials & Raids 30 of your chosen Beast Tribe reputation (which you select from a list when choosing in the DF)


Small amounts of useful currency that isnt too much so your swimming in them and an amount so that if you want to be swimming in more of these rewards you keep doing DF runs as the in need role which is mostly tanks or healers.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not that these classes aren't fun or engaging; it's that players don't want the added responsibility. Bribes are probably the best way to encourage people to try it out, but gil is a bad one to go with. This games economy is already bloated with gil to the point where crafting and the market boards are being trivialized. I think a greater variety of cosmetic rewards would be the best approach.

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Dungeon tanking is far from engaging.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

I'm a Tank main and Gil isn't the answer... The answer is sharing EXP. IE, once I am 80. Let me link a job and when I do level, 50/60/70, MSQ, or other roulette let me share 25% of what would have been gained EXP to another job.

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I'm thinking this would help quite a bit early to midlife of an expansion (when the majority of people are still leveling whatever they're interested in leveling); although, you'll get a hilarious consequence I think from it too. In that you'll get more people who use tank/healer to level other jobs with fast queue times but because they didn't really care for those two roles in the first place they're going to make dungeons generally more rocky for everyone lol. If you've a bad tank and healer a lot of dungeons are going to be quite hard to finish properly, but if you've just bad DD then usually you'll be fine (just slow). Speaking the non-enrage content of course, the more casual / not PF-based content, obviously not fine in stuff that has a damage floor that needs to be met.

Not that I'm saying it can't be tried lol, just think it would be funny that it increased the pool of those jobs but made the content more annoying to run XD. I'd still like to see what happens if it's used, maybe from an event SE releases soul scrolls that you can activate to hold exp (instead of it going to your job / into the toilet if at cap), then you can transfer that exp to another job by using it while that job. Give the scroll a timed life, so that it vanishes by the end of the event- just see what it does to the DF. I like that I can share exp in pvp that way already, so it might be just as cool in DF.

Since we're suggesting stuff though I think a cosmetic merit system might be interesting, and then on top of that tank/healers could gain a bit of bonus merit exp. I'd love for it to be stylized if possible, like a sphere/crystarium/license board. Such a system that has general merit unlocks and then job specific, the exp could by split into types (dragoon experience for dragoon specific merit unlocks) but it doesn't have to be. Either way the tanks and healers would be able to unlock general cosmetics easier, and of course their own merits- if you didn't want to increase the length the system lasts they could also use that exp onto other jobs. Just for random examples you might have cosmetic animation changes, like your dark side dark knight spell getting the shadow effect from trailers, the Manderville Limit Break (hammer attack), Manderville run, dragoon hyper jump (mount), special holy breastplate for white mage (heavy armor cosmetic), etc. If you want you can even put some basic features into that, but nothing that will make players not take in a player who doesn't have X unlock. Like you might unlock shortcuts from one area to another, reduce costs for transportation, unlocking npcs in town, donating / investing to traveling merchant that gains larger stack and greater coverage as you go, you could even go as wild as allowing players to invest their experience into developing a hamlet or something (doma reconstruction, but based on experience points than gil).

Besides making exp more valuable for everyone, it would obviously make gaining experience easily and reliably a big pro to being healer / tank, even more so if they get a bonus in the roulette when in need. Like +20% merit exp on completion of duty (will apply to DD too, if they're in need).

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

What is a tanks responsibility anyways most you gotta do is get a teather along with holding lol... dps has way more responsibility than a tank does .... Healer however has a lot

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Tanks also have to do a number of mechanics and are expected (well, ideally) to do proper damage too, with a higher expectation they know the fight than other jobs (how far to wall to wall pull, where to stand the boss cross phases, what attacks don't show aoe markers but can still be dodged, what you have to interject, etc). In my experience DD is the most relaxing role, with the exception of maybe certain bosses that have very strict tasks that DD have to do (but usually those contents have things for off tank / healer too then- like if it's an enrage timer everyone is expected to deal decent damage so that's not just a DD thing).

Such that I think Tank has the most consistent stress and healers have the highest peak stress (situational stress) but potentially less than tank when things are going well (if everyone is bad, good luck and it might blamed on you for not keeping them all alive even though they're all sleeping in orange without any mitigating cooldowns ever). DD have to do things, their kits being usually more complex, but in terms of stress of the expectation, social stress at least- I dunno I don't think they're that stressful. You can regularly clear normal content without a DD, or DD asleep on the job, not so much if your healer or tank are (unless it's really early content).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Such that I think Tank has the most consistent stress and healers have the highest peak stress (situational stress) but potentially less than tank when things are going well (if everyone is bad, good luck and it might blamed on you for not keeping them all alive even though they're all sleeping in orange without any mitigating cooldowns ever). DD have to do things, their kits being usually more complex, but in terms of stress of the expectation, social stress at least- I dunno I don't think they're that stressful. You can regularly clear normal content without a DD, or DD asleep on the job, not so much if your healer or tank are (unless it's really early content).

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Personally most of that (just a opinion) is just basic common sense when fighting The only thing with tanking thats a little scary is spots you need to tank-swap but outside that Personally I find tanking and healing very relaxing

while dps have to control there max output dodge like crazy-picking things up either static are run (which creates zoning out symptom (at least for me) then I end up getting hit by something I know how to dodge because its just rinse and repeat non stop..

with a tank or a healer I'm normally in a safe postion where i dont have to dodge much which allows me to output at alot better and relax for most of the fights

Healers could use mounts though.

While healing is easy when the rest of the party has basic competence, try consistently healing PUGs.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Healers could use mounts though.

While healing is easy when the rest of the party has basic competence, try consistently healing PUGs.

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"most' partys don't have competence though so honestly healing is probably the hardest lol not by design but by people.

which is kinda funny number wise healers were always kinda balanced

but players well you got 2 dps jobs that are baiscly memeing (backflip off cliff or jump towards aoe and die

then mages try to maxium damage so choice to stand in an aoe on purpose lol

in fact i think that's the problem with healers is the dev team are just looking at numbers and thinking all parties play great when most are kinda going to screw you over on healers

I did some math and took a lot of screenshots to catch the gil rewards.. 42,500gil for at least 80 roulette, 50 roulette, leveling, trial and alliance. almost 300,000k a week for just doing that small amount of roulettes. This doesn't include adventurer in need bonus (where at least for the amount of roulettes I have access to, Leveling offers the biggest at 11,850).

50k adventurer in need is insane when combined with the amount of default gil you already get just for doing dailies.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

Personally most of that (just a opinion) is just basic common sense when fighting The only thing with tanking thats a little scary is spots you need to tank-swap but outside that Personally I find tanking and healing very relaxing

while dps have to control there max output dodge like crazy-picking things up either static are run (which creates zoning out symptom (at least for me) then I end up getting hit by something I know how to dodge because its just rinse and repeat non stop..

with a tank or a healer I'm normally in a safe postion where i dont have to dodge much which allows me to output at alot better and relax for most of the fights

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I suppose also because you use Machinist which is one of the more disco button jobs lol, compare Machinist to any content that is going 'ideally to normally' and I'd say machinist is more involved than White Mage for sure haha. When things are going insanely bad though of course I'd still say White Mage is way more stressful, mana dying, raises going out like free food at a carnival, that scary clutch heal sound as your tank still hasn't used a single mitigation tool yet. Which is also why I said they've crazy peak stress, where the weight of the world is on them and there is a timed bomb on top of that, but potentially pretty calm / easy going (also why I think a number of healers are looking to get their damage rotations back, because under normal circumstances they're super chill now).

Interestingly Warrior I think used to be more involved but if you're looking for a more lively feeling these days I'd say try Paladin at higher levels, just having some of those extra buttons and situational tools makes you keep an eye on more things (like when you get to look like a boss by using cover or saving your healer from dying while they hard casted a raise).

Also correct me if I'm wrong but I think I'm focusing on the social pressure, and you're looking at playing the job as optimally as possible and in particular you're also playing one of the more button frenzy jobs. In which case I'd agree certain tanks and healers are easier than certain damage dealing jobs when discussing mechanics, I was just thinking on the social side that if a tank or healer does poorly everyone knows it's THAT tank / healer, vs if a DD does poorly almost no one is going to notice unless it causes a bunch of wipes due to enrage.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

What is a tanks responsibility anyways most you gotta do is get a teather along with holding lol... dps has way more responsibility than a tank does .... Healer however has a lot

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lol, no. DPS is the least important role by a wide margin. I've been playing this game for a while and I can't recall a single dungeon run where it actually mattered that a DPS died. Tank not positioning things correctly or not noticing/picking up adds, or a healer fumbling can legitimately result in wipes. Either tank or Healer getting themselves killed in a mechanic can legitimately result in a wipe.

Also, the tank is the one who navigates the dungeon for the group. That alone is what stopped me from being a tank for most of my early days in this game. When I didn't know where to go or what to do to progress in dungeons I defaulted to healing to avoid queues, even though I enjoyed it less. Much easier to just follow everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

lol, no. DPS is the least important role by a wide margin. I've been playing this game for a while and I can't recall a single dungeon run where it actually mattered that a DPS died. Tank not positioning things correctly or not noticing/picking up adds, or a healer fumbling can legitimately result in wipes.

Also, the tank is the one who navigates the dungeon for the group. That alone is what stopped me from being a tank for most of my early days in this game. When I didn't know where to go or what to do to progress in dungeons I defaulted to healing to avoid queues, even though I enjoyed it less.

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eh dungeons ya everyone's job is easy but that's not even 40% of the game lol on alliance raids (infact even in shisui ive had dps screw up on the run away from target follow abilities

look at alliance raids dps screw up or fail to meet a check gg all you have to do on a tank is hold correctly /position and use your cds with maybe 1-2 times with a special tank mecha of swapping or getting theaters.. most of the the other stuff like adds is just basic 101 ... compare that to the rest and ya tanks got it easy lol one reason i mostly do raids/alliance raids on tank is tanks got it easy on those lol

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

eh dungeons ya everyone's job is easy but that's not even 40% of the game lol on alliance raids (infact even in shisui ive had dps screw up on the run away from target follow abilities

look at alliance raids dps screw up or fail to meet a check gg all you have to do on a tank is hold correctly /position and use your cds with maybe 1-2 times with a special tank mecha of swapping or getting theaters.. most of the the other stuff like adds is just basic 101 ... compare that to the rest and ya tanks got it easy lol one reason i mostly do raids/alliance raids on tank is tanks got it easy on those lol

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Dungeons are the vast majority of the game for the vast majority of players. There's no DPS checks in any of the roulettes or story content, which is what most people are playing when they're deciding what role they want to take on. I didn't even touch Alliance raids as I was going through the story.

All the way up to 80 I don't think I've ever encountered an instance where a DPS screwing up actually wiped the party. As long as the tank and healer did their jobs and survived everything else didn't matter; the fight just took an extra couple minutes if a DPS died. That's why most people go straight to DPS when they're new or uncertain; it's the least responsibility by a very wide margin. By the time you're actually facing a DPS check you're well past the point where you're deciding what you want to main.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

There's no DPS checks in any of the roulettes or story content...

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I...I mean, there are... Ghimlyt Dark comes to mind. Granted, I've never *failed* it, but it exists.

See also, Steps of Faith, though that's a mechanics check that got nerfed to the ground.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

eh dungeons ya everyone's job is easy but that's not even 40% of the game lol on alliance raids (infact even in shisui ive had dps screw up on the run away from target follow abilities

look at alliance raids dps screw up or fail to meet a check gg all you have to do on a tank is hold correctly /position and use your cds with maybe 1-2 times with a special tank mecha of swapping or getting theaters.. most of the the other stuff like adds is just basic 101 ... compare that to the rest and ya tanks got it easy lol one reason i mostly do raids/alliance raids on tank is tanks got it easy on those lol

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The only reason why dps checks fail in alliance dungeon is because tanks did not move adds or tank them at all, dps can just press random buttons and you will be fine.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Dungeons are the vast majority of the game for the vast majority of players. There's no DPS checks in any of the roulettes or story content, which is what most people are playing when they're deciding what role they want to take on. I didn't even touch Alliance raids as I was going through the story.

All the way up to 80 I don't think I've ever encountered an instance where a DPS screwing up actually wiped the party. As long as the tank and healer did their jobs and survived everything else didn't matter; the fight just took an extra couple minutes if a DPS died. That's why most people go straight to DPS when they're new or uncertain; it's the least responsibility by a very wide margin. By the time you're actually facing a DPS check you're well past the point where you're deciding what you want to main.

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(cough) lets see here old steps of faith (back before hw came out on my 1st acc) did , people have trouble with dpsing Titanan (fairy trail) a few people on the big ant lord on dpsing the butterflys ... I had few new ppl fail to do it on ifirts nail and titans heart a few times even after being told to ... Then theres few others like swallows compass (although most get it) but they most certainly do exist and can happan and not just dps checks ive seen dps run
into the healer with the follow aoe things like in shisui, theres also (well doesn't matter any more) but the alliance raids where it exist... "trails" mostly have atleast one Look at ramuh some how people still fail it unless your going unsync

not even counting the lake dungeon when they dont dps the bird quick enough and everyone dies on midgard lol


hell last week i had a pt where the healer and I on warrior had to pick up the plants in the dungeon because the dps didnt do any of it lol

All I want is a John Cena intro when loading into a group as a tank.

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Originally Posted by Awha

50k is overkill. I rather they focus on making the roles more engaging to play instead of tryingbto bribe people into playing them.

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Louder for the people in the back!

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

(cough) lets see here old steps of faith (back before hw came out on my 1st acc) did , people have trouble with dpsing Titanan (fairy trail) a few people on the big ant lord on dpsing the butterflys ... I had few new ppl fail to do it on ifirts nail and titans heart a few times even after being told to ... Then theres few others like swallows compass (although most get it) but they most certainly do exist and can happan and not just dps checks ive seen dps run
into the healer with the follow aoe things like in shisui, theres also (well doesn't matter any more) but the alliance raids where it exist... "trails" mostly have atleast one Look at ramuh some how people still fail it unless your going unsync

not even counting the lake dungeon when they dont dps the bird quick enough and everyone dies on midgard lol


hell last week i had a pt where the healer and I on warrior had to pick up the plants in the dungeon because the dps didnt do any of it lol

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Erm, a handful of fights that were sort of DPS checks a long time ago doesn't really make your point. In this games massive amount of dungeons there's a handful where losing a DPS MIGHT matter; whereas a tank/healer dying, failing in any content in any context could easily result in a wipe.

Even if we focus on your limited set of scenarios only, DPS always have someone to help cover their failures. Being only 1/4th or 1/2nd of your role is a fraction of the responsibility on your shoulders specifically, and every role is technically responsible for meeting a DPS check, not just DPS.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Erm, a handful of fights that were sort of DPS checks a long time ago doesn't really make your point. In this games massive amount of dungeons there's a handful where losing a DPS MIGHT matter; whereas a tank/healer dying, failing in any content in any context could easily result in a wipe.

Even if we focus on your limited set of scenarios only, DPS always have someone to help cover their failures. Being only 1/6th or 1/2nd of your role is a fraction of the responsibility on your shoulders specifically, and every role is technically responsible for meeting a DPS check, not just DPS.

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Of those "massive dungeons" there's only a handful where a party of healer + 2 DPS who kicked their tank or tank + 2 DPS who kicked their healer can't progress slowly, one pull at a time.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Of those "massive dungeons" there's only a handful where a party of healer + 2 DPS who kicked their tank or tank + 2 DPS who kicked their healer can't progress slowly, one pull at a time.

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Right. Progress slowly, 1 pull at a time, and then wipe at the boss or wait. Whereas if you kick a DPS, and by some miracle he's not replaced so fast it cracks your monitor, you could still finish the entire dungeon with literally no issue.

Not trying to rag on DPS, it's just how this dynamic works. DPS are very low consequence, very low responsibility. That makes it really appealing to new players, and what people start with in a game like this will often be what they stick with. That's why we see very few tanks and healers by comparison.

I just want competent players. Dps, tank, or healer, I could care less which one. Just act like ya give a damn.

Hell, just give us ALL boosted awards just for dealing with Pugs who make dungeons last longer than 30 minutes...