Spending 4 hours mashing a button and taking a small break of 5 minutes(yes this happened to me.) only to lose is extremely disheartening, please make it much less painful or long to do this.
Getting a house is terrible.
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06-23-2020, 03:43 AMShyTheBardGetting a house is terrible.
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06-23-2020, 03:47 AMShyTheBard
I know this is played out to say but after doing this a few times it's extremely heart breaking and my hands hurt every-time.
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06-23-2020, 09:20 AMDivinemights
Without this timer system you wouldn’t even see an open plot at all for you to click.
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06-23-2020, 10:23 AMJojoya
The problem isn't the timer. Without that timer, that plot would have been sold before you were even aware it had been available.
The problem is the lack of supply, which is even worse right now with demolition suspended. Until that is addressed, it will be difficult for anyone who wants a house.
If you want the house just for you, buy an apartment if you haven't already done so. You still have limited access to gardening via the flower pots (only limitation is you can't intercross seeds). An apartment will hold you over until Ishgard housing is opened and you'll have a much better chance to get a house.
If it's for your FC and your members want the house sooner not later, make certain the trusted members of the FC are taking turns at the placard so no one person is giving up all their time. -
06-23-2020, 01:42 PMBurmecia
Is this the sound of broken record yet?: The time for house buying is super bad right now, because of auto-demo just not happening. It sucks, yeah, but I hate to see people getting burned and getting pissed at the game and SE and their fellow players because of the system is not working as normal. Now is just not the best time.
- And even when it is working normally I agree there is flaws! -
06-23-2020, 05:45 PMJamieRose
Why is auto-demo not working? Why announce a feature to free up housing and then not implement it?
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06-23-2020, 06:22 PMMhaericThey put auto-demolition on hold during various events that are happening irl. The first time was right after the tsunami in Japan I think. Right now it's because of the covid-19 pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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06-23-2020, 07:07 PMViduAs Mhaeric said: They will turn off the auto-demolition if large areas of the world are being hit by catastrophes that are mostly going to prevent a lot of people from logging in and/or paying their sub for a while. Most of the time those are natural disasters, like tsunamis in japan or hurricanes hitting parts of the US and usually only servers that belong to that part of the world get their auto-demolition suspended (as in: if there are floods in japan, they might turn off auto-demo for the japanese DCs, but not for NA and EU). The obvious idea behind this is that they dont want people to worry about their virtual house on top of having to worry about their real life home first - its a nice gesture to ease the suffering for people struck by such a disaster at least a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
They deemed the current pandemic to be such a natural disaster that warranted to halt the demolition for the time being - with people losing their jobs (and with that the means to pay for the sub) and increasing the likelyhood that a lot of people will get sick, maybe even taken to the hospital.
Auto-demolition is working - but they're trying their best to make sure that its working as intended, as in: "Taking" away houses from people who are not using them because they're not intrested in the house or game anymore. Not taking them from people who cant play for a while because nature happend.
And yes, its an imperfect system - not the least because they cant account for all the "small" personal disasters that might happen like accidents, illnesses or losing a job in general. But this is the best they can do. -
06-24-2020, 09:56 AMAwha
4 hours is not so bad, sadly when it comes plot wars breaks can cost ya.
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06-24-2020, 06:03 PMJamieRoseOh you mean that virus that stopped being dangerous because cops?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
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06-24-2020, 06:16 PMMhaericMy bad. I thought you were asking a reasonable question in good faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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06-24-2020, 06:21 PMPepsi_PlungeYou must mean another virus then..Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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06-25-2020, 01:13 AMern815Please look forward in 2021!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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06-25-2020, 12:23 PMAwhaThankfully you do not have to buy it. Fact remains it is turned off due to global pandemic feelings aside nothing you say or feel can and will change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
Did cut out the because cops part, and I do understand the frustration some people have where in areas government praised the protesters for standing shoulder to shoulder but then vilified people going out and socializing at bars etc . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge
Granted I do not feel the bare the same weight but problem is people will view them as the same and it does give a mixed message as to the severity.
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06-25-2020, 02:27 PMMsMisatoDoesn't matter if you believe it or not but SE does things like this when its a big deal. They do what they think is right. Its apparent you weren't here for the last time they turned it off when Japan had the tsunami.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
However,
You think its bad now with it off. Wait till they turn it back on because they will make an announcement when it is back on and every one without a house on the server will be there fighting with you. Even the trolls with too much money will come instant move to the plot to mess with people. You will wish for 4 hours of clicking. -
06-25-2020, 07:46 PMMavriasSo great that you're not in an at risk group and the pandemic has been nothing more than an inconvenience at worst for you, but people are still dying, Sharon.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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06-28-2020, 03:27 AMKayRadley
Sorry, but with the game as is, and the pandemic, you probably ain't ever getting a house.
Invest in an apartment. -
06-29-2020, 02:38 AMLolitaBansheeMeru
Timers would be fine if it showed you the damn timer.... but guessing how long is total bs tbh.... we should changethis to a bidding system
Problem is apartments have no outside deco options and your highly limited on what u can do inside because its so damn smallQuote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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06-29-2020, 04:51 PMKayRadleyThem's your options. Get an apartment, or do without.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru
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06-29-2020, 06:25 PMGallus
Yeah, apartments are not a very good alternative to a house. My bedroom irl is larger than these things.
Also, they don't even have a garden, which is one of the main selling points too, I like outdoor furnishings probably more than the indoor ones. You can't cross-breed plants either.
I would very much like to know for how long they plan to keep the auto-demolition off... it's not like Covid 19 will disappear in a couple days. -
06-30-2020, 04:00 PMJojoyaThat's one heck of a big bedroom you have then. I can add all the different rooms I have in my real life condo (625 sq ft) to an in-game apartment and make the apartment feel almost as spacious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallus
I think furnishing scaling is more of a problem than the actual room size. Even a Roe sitting on a sofa is sitting more on the edge of the seat instead of filling it.
Considering the current state of things with COVID resurging in many areas, I would expect auto-demo to remain off until at least 5.35 if not 5.4. Even if they re-activated it, I don't think you'd have much luck on Ragnarok since that's the highest pop EU world and new content patches brings players who were taking a break back to the game so the demo timers on their houses would reset. -
06-30-2020, 10:51 PMLolitaBansheeMeruwait they turned it off when people are stuck at home lol well that's just a dumb thing to do if anything auto demo should be increased during these times because almost everyone is stuck at home so there is no excuse for not being able to get on lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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06-30-2020, 11:45 PMAlteriiusWe're in the middle of a pandemic and people have no excuse to not log in? You're kidding, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru
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07-01-2020, 12:02 AML-Lihzeh
I have been off the game for a while, do we sill lose land if we are inactive?
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07-01-2020, 01:30 AMLolitaBansheeMeruA pandemic that has most things closed and most ppl have to stay at home yes I'm not kidding lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Alteriius
How does it prevent u from logging on when your basically limited to ordering out and staying home lol...
It's an excuse with what's going on that makes no sense -
07-01-2020, 01:51 AMMhaeric
I think the idea is that people who aren't able to pay their subscription due to being laid off or getting sick won't have their houses demolished. Nothing I can find about auto-demolition says anything about needing to maintain an active account, just that the owner of a privately owned house has to access it at least once every 45 days. This looks like it means that people's houses persist even if they let their subscription lapse and that ordinarily someone could potentially not pay for a month and still keep their house. The hold on auto-demoltion allows that to be indefinite until SE decides to turn it back on instead.
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07-01-2020, 02:01 AMAlteriiusYes, people are losing their jobs, getting sick and losing friends and family, but that's no excuse to not log in and play a video game.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru
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07-01-2020, 02:06 AMExotic_LunchboxPeople who have lost their jobs are not looking to spend $15 a month on a game, it seems like a very small number but it's the truth. Also take some countries who can only access games at places like Gaming Cafes, etc and you can at least understand why they would make this move.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru
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07-01-2020, 03:22 PMKayRadleyA pandemic that has left a lot of people furloughed, if not jobless. No work means no money, no money means no way to pay for a sub, and no sub means no logging in. I had to take a month-long break a while back because my finances meant I had to forego my sub in order to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alteriius
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07-01-2020, 04:08 PMJojoyaMost of those stuck at home are stuck there because the places they work have been shut down. If they can't work, they don't have an income. They have to stretch what little money they have for basic necessities. That $15 sub fee, which was forgettable while they were working, now represents food for their family for a couple of days.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru
But those are the lucky ones. Imagine being stuck for weeks in an ICU because you ended up with COVID and couldn't breathe without the help of a respirator. Imagine being the family member of someone who is hospitalized, someone you're not even allowed to visit for fear of the virus spreading even more.
Do yourself a favor. Count your blessings that you're even able to continue to play the game right now. Others aren't so lucky.
Here's where things are going to get weird. I'm one of those that doesn't believe the demolition timer should be suspended in these situations. A house in a game shouldn't be anyone's major concern under any circumstances. It's just a game. What you earned once in a game and lose can be earned again later, even if that later doesn't happen as fast as you want. Real life is far more important. Crap happens in life and we need to learn to deal with loss and recovery, even if some of those lessons come from things that happen in a game.
But I definitely appreciate the compassion that the Square Enix team is demonstrating to those who are affected by suspending demolition. That's the great thing about the SE team - they understand we're all just people in the long run going through good times and bad. We're not just an open wallet to them, unlike so many other major game companies out there. Ultimately, I support their gesture of compassion.
In the meantime, welcome to your own real life lesson courtesy of FFXIV. Not everyone gets to own a house in real life. Some areas are sorely lacking a supply of houses for all the people who live there and so many are left with no choice but to live in an apartment if they're not willing to leave their friends and family behind to move some place that has houses available. Maybe they'll get lucky and a house will become available later but for now, they need to settle for an apartment and make it their home.
Now you get to go through the same thing in game. Maybe you'll learn from it. Maybe you won't. Some people are too dense to ever learn the lessons life tries to teach. -
07-01-2020, 09:18 PMMavriasso, question. if someone is at home, not able to work, what excess income are they bringing in to spend on luxury expenses such as video game subscriptions? additionally, those sick and in the hospital probably didn't get the chance to bring their PC or PS4.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru
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07-01-2020, 10:27 PMCommander_Justitia
Why do you care about your virtual house if you don't have money to pay for the sub then anyway? Feel like it doesn't matter either way. In the end it is preventing people who want to and can actually play the game right now to access that kind of content. I can only see the benefit of suspensions shortterm like a month - 2months (and on top of that are still 45 days), if it stays longer you are only lowering the value for the actually active part of the playerbase.
Even with suspensions off people are gonna lose their house because they run into financial or medical trouble irl, and those still lost their houses too...You cant make it 100% right.
Anyway, I totally support changing the system, people are desperate enough to spam the housing placard for hours in the hopes it will be available the right moment. I can imagine it is a physically and mentally exhausting procedure to do so. They should limit the timeframe and indicate it, something like "This house will be able to be purchased between 7-9AM ST" It is so bad if it doesn't open up after 20hrs or something even if the average is lower. Also makes bots less effective. -
07-02-2020, 02:21 AMJimmymagicsome people don't have to work for a sub apparently...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alteriius
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07-02-2020, 04:42 PMTDChangeling
I actually do agree that halting auto-demo, in general, is a stupid decision. It makes sense on paper, life isn't fair, these people may be loyal customers had the real world not screwed them, and why should SE pile on the suffering? But that kind of falls apart when you remember it's just a game. Anyone who can't manage to get online for the three months it takes for Auto-demo to kick in probably has bigger problems than their virtual doll-house going away. Meanwhile, it opens up people sitting on plots forever, either unintentionally, or purposefully, such as people buying with alts to flip them, locking out those of us who *can* pay.
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07-03-2020, 02:25 AMKenkyI'm sorry, what?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
Do you genuinely believe a global pandemic just.. Stops being a global pandemic because one country has a Law Enforcement issue? (I am aware it's not just one country, but it's all coverage of one country and ignoring the rest) Because if so, then by Zodiark, you need to remove your head from the dirt.
I'll re-hash things that have been said, purely because, well.. Everything's already been said at this point. Not everyone has the luxury of doing what they want. Not everyone has the ability to log-in, despite the lockdown. Be it due to illness, financial trouble or general outages in their local area. At this point in time, a notable majority of people worldwide are stressed up to the eyeballs with how to cope and survive through this. They don't need their virtual house's timer to add to that.
Put yourself in their shoes and see how thankful you'd be that SE is kind enough to relieve some stress during this time, rather than condemn their actions because you're unaffected. -
07-03-2020, 04:13 AMKayRadleySo in the event that I be furloughed again, or worse still I no longer have a job because where I work shuts down (unlikely since I work in a grocery store, so we are essential, but stay with me for the sake of this hypothetical), and I can't find a job because the only industries that are still open have to operate in a reduced capacity to contain this modern day plague, and I have to choose between warding off starvation or playing with a toy, I should lose my house through no fault of my own?Quote:
Originally Posted by TDChangeling
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07-03-2020, 04:22 PMJojoyaWhy are you so concerned about a house in a game if you're trying to deal with those other things?Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
It's a game. It doesn't matter in the long run. Worry about getting your life back together instead of what you do or don't have in a game. If you're able to come back to the game later, then worry about housing then.
And yeah, I've already lost a house when I had to take an unplanned break from the game just before Stormblood was released. When I left, several dozen houses had still been available on my world. When I came back, there were none. So I got myself an apartment and waited. Shirogane opened up in 4.1 and...
I still couldn't get a house. Everything was immediately purchased, including the plots in the old wards that became available as the house flippers bought up everything they could get their hands on to resell at outrageous prices (the purchase timer didn't exist yet and multiple house ownership per account was still allowed).
It wasn't until the new wards were added in 4.2 that was I able to get a house again. I still had to wait 3 weeks after they were added because the new wards were only available to FC purchase and relocation. But when the personal moratorium was lifted, I was able to get the house I wanted. Thank goodness the new purchase rules had been added and few were aware of the FC loophole for owning multiple houses. Otherwise the multi-house owners and house flippers probably would have bought everything up already.
Did my life crash and burn during those 6 months because I didn't have a house? No. Did I suffer real life injury because I couldn't get a house? No. Did the game suddenly suck because I didn't have a house? No.
Was I angry another player now had my old house while I had to wait to get one? No. I was glad that they got the opportunity to buy it when it would have effectively been left unused while I wasn't playing.
People need to get their list of priorities straight. Owning a shiny in a game should never be on that list. You're far more of a Karen that that other poster. -
07-03-2020, 04:28 PMKayRadleyI'm able to pay for my sub and keep my pantry stocked, so my priorities are plenty straight. I'm talking about other legitimate homeowners who should not be punished due to circumstances that are beyond their control that are affecting society as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
My advice remains the same as always: if you're having a hard time getting a house, look into getting an apartment. Otherwise, learn to do without. -
07-03-2020, 05:43 PMMhaericThe point is they don't have to be because SE is being 'good people.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Yes, people can lose houses because of unforeseen circumstances at any time. The difference here is that multiple people are potentially having this occur because of the same reason. SE recognized this and decided to do something about it.
As for people getting their priorities straight... they are. If someone is losing a house over a real-life issue then they absolutely are getting their priorities straight. If SE decides to step up in some way to help them out then that does not make those people suddenly become selfish Karens even if they thank SE for doing it. Complaining about SE helping out those who found themselves in this situation since it makes getting houses harder, on the other hand, has the entitled Karen label stamped all over it. -
07-03-2020, 05:46 PMHeulGDarian
Everytime i see the title of the thread i cant help but want to say: youre right its terrible ,i dont recommend it to anyone, 0/10, no need to bother getting one :P