Are Holy Spirit and Holy Circle Pointless...

... once you have Confiteor? I cannot see a purpose to either when that big sword stab is so much more potent (aside for the need for them in content between levels 68-79).

Confiteor is your finisher, as once you use it, the Requiescat buff ends

Confiteor cancels your requiscat immediatly upon using it, so in order to maximise your req windows you need to use 4 holy spells then confiteor, as that will bottom your mana and get the full effect of the req potency buffs

Ah, okay. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

Confiteor cancels your requiscat immediatly upon using it, so in order to maximise your req windows you need to use 4 holy spells then confiteor, as that will bottom your mana and get the full effect of the req potency buffs

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Now, I barely play PLD so correct me if I'm wrong... but the potency buff of Req is only active while you have 80% MP or more anyway, so only your first two spells feel the effect.
So surely using just one Holy spell, then Confiteor, would be a DPS gain even with dropping Req, so long as you're not forced to move?

Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350
Holy Spirit: 350
Confiteor: 800

vs.

Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Confiteor: 800 +400
Holy Spirit: 350
Holy Spirit: 350
Holy Spirit: 350

It's just those last 3 Holy's aren't instant anymore.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Now, I barely play PLD so correct me if I'm wrong... but the potency buff of Req is only active while you have 80% MP or more anyway, so only your first two spells feel the effect.
So surely using just one Holy spell, then Confiteor, would be a DPS gain even with dropping Req, so long as you're not forced to move?

Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350
Holy Spirit: 350
Confiteor: 800

vs.

Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Confiteor: 800 +400
Holy Spirit: 350
Holy Spirit: 350
Holy Spirit: 350

It's just those last 3 Holy's aren't instant anymore.

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The buff only activates if you meet the MP requirements, but once it's up, it's up for the entire duration.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Now, I barely play PLD so correct me if I'm wrong... but the potency buff of Req is only active while you have 80% MP or more anyway, so only your first two spells feel the effect.
So surely using just one Holy spell, then Confiteor, would be a DPS gain even with dropping Req, so long as you're not forced to move?

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Requiescat checks you current MP when used. If you have 8k to 10k at the time of use, it gives you a 12 sec buff that increase Attack Magic and Healing Magic potency by 50%, makes spell cast times instant for the duration and allows Confiteor to be cast. The Buff doesn't care about your MP; only Requiescat (which grants the buff if you have enough MP) does.

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Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350
Holy Spirit: 350
Confiteor: 800

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The actual potencies for this burst are:

Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Holy Spirit: 350 +175
Confiteor: 800 +400

With all Holy Spirits being instant cast.

Tooltip needs clarifying then.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Tooltip needs clarifying then.

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To quote Requiescat tool tip:
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 150. Potency increases up to 550 as MP nears maximum.
Additional Effect: Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50% if current MP is at 80% or higher, and allows spells to be cast immediately
Duration: 12s

Surely the "Duration: 12s" and the "current MP" makes it pretty clear? You deal your 550 potency Requiescat at full mana then get the buff for 12 seconds.

It is clear if you know how to interpret FFXIV tooltips which, let's just be honest here, can be pretty damn cryptic at times.
It really wouldn't hurt to change the wording on that one so that it can't be misinterpreted. We've all seen PLDs doing instant confettis.

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Originally Posted by Snek

To quote Requiescat tool tip:
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 150. Potency increases up to 550 as MP nears maximum.
Additional Effect: Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50% if current MP is at 80% or higher, and allows spells to be cast immediately
Duration: 12s

Surely the "Duration: 12s" and the "current MP" makes it pretty clear? You deal your 550 potency Requiescat at full mana then get the buff for 12 seconds.

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I'm sorry but that's not clear at all.
To me it reads as giving you an effect that lasts for 12s, and that effect is "if your MP is 80% or more, your spells do 50% extra damage".

It should read:

Additional Effect: If current MP is at 80% or higher, grants the 'Requiescat' effect. Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50%, and allows spells to be cast immediately. Duration: 12s

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I'm sorry but that's not clear at all.
To me it reads as giving you an effect that lasts for 12s, and that effect is "if your MP is 80% or more, your spells do 50% extra damage".

It should read:

Additional Effect: If current MP is at 80% or higher, grants the 'Requiescat' effect. Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50%, and allows spells to be cast immediately. Duration: 12s

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I mean if you actually bothered to play it and used common sense, if you're instacasts don't disappear after your mana drops below 80% then why would the damage buff disappear. and the fact that in SB, PLDs spammed HS x5 in it's rotation which also had a damage/ healing buff under req for the full duration, dunno why all of a sudden it would disappear after mana dropped below 80%, not everything needs to be handed out on a platter, because people can't use their heads.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

I mean if you actually bothered to play it and used common sense, if you're instacasts don't disappear after your mana drops below 80% then why would the damage buff disappear. and the fact that in SB, PLDs spammed HS x5 in it's rotation which also had a damage/ healing buff under req for the full duration, dunno why all of a sudden it would disappear after mana dropped below 80%, not everything needs to be handed out on a platter, because people can't use their heads.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Now, I barely play PLD so correct me if I'm wrong...

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I don't see why tool tips should be purposefully misleading until you use the skill to find out for yourself.
That would seem to me like you're saying tool tips are useless and we should all work it out purely by playing it instead of utilising an informative resources the devs provide us with.

Why is it that you're emotionally invested in this specific tool tip that you have to lash out at anyone who suggests a better, clearer option?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I don't see why tool tips should be purposefully misleading until you use the skill to find out for yourself.
That would seem to me like you're saying tool tips are useless and we should all work it out purely by playing it instead of utilising an informative resources the devs provide us with.

Why is it that you're emotionally invested in this specific tool tip that you have to lash out at anyone who suggests a better, clearer option?

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On the contrary, by 68-80 levels I think you should have managed to develop some sort of basic common sense to understand how the skill works within that time frame.

The most worthwhile way to learn is by doing, so it's not emotionally driven that I argue against your point, but rather from an expectation that people should actually try to figure out for themselves a degree before looking for help, and I already consider the tooltip extremely clear already.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

On the contrary, by 68-80 levels I think you should have managed to develop some sort of basic common sense to understand how the skill works within that time frame.

The most worthwhile way to learn is by doing, so it's not emotionally driven that I argue against your point, but rather from an expectation that people should actually try to figure out for themselves a degree before looking for help, and I already consider the tooltip extremely clear already.

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Is there any downside to more accurate tool tips?
I'm just trying to work out where this defensive attitude is coming from.

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Originally Posted by Casualty

The buff only activates if you meet the MP requirements, but once it's up, it's up for the entire duration.

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Ah, I was wondering about that one. Cheers. Tooltip could be more clear, honestly.

Confiteor can only use one time and will end Requiescat, so it will be use as finisher for Holy Spirit or Holy Circle combo

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I'm sorry but that's not clear at all.
To me it reads as giving you an effect that lasts for 12s, and that effect is "if your MP is 80% or more, your spells do 50% extra damage".

It should read:

Additional Effect: If current MP is at 80% or higher, grants the 'Requiescat' effect. Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50%, and allows spells to be cast immediately. Duration: 12s

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Fair enough. Personally I don't think it needs clarification, but it's such an easy change and if some people need the clarification, why not? Not like it changes anything but makes it clearer for some people (net positive in my eyes).

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Is there any downside to more accurate tool tips?
I'm just trying to work out where this defensive attitude is coming from.

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This is a personal thing. If an effect will be ended early for whatever reason, SE tooltips go out of their way to state as much. See the Army's Muse buff BRD gets after Army's Paeon ends. Plenty of people read that tooltip and understand exactly what it means, and any confusion can easily be dispelled with a few GCD's of trying it out on a target dummy.

Also see Dark knight living dead. They always state what will remove the buff. That's how their team designs the tooltips. No need for them to change that otherwise you are going to see more skills that are overly descriptive which usually causes more confusion than the ones that try to get straight to the point. You already have some skills that have a combo action, a combo potency, and 3 combo bonuses attached to them no need for over elaboration on top of that and it being a positional skill as well.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I'm sorry but that's not clear at all.
To me it reads as giving you an effect that lasts for 12s, and that effect is "if your MP is 80% or more, your spells do 50% extra damage".

It should read:

Additional Effect: If current MP is at 80% or higher, grants the 'Requiescat' effect. Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50%, and allows spells to be cast immediately. Duration: 12s

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To make it better, and more consistent with other actions tha grant effects, it should be more like this.

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Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 150. Potency increases up to 550 as MP nears maximum. If current MP is 80% or greater, grants Requiescat.

Requiescat Effect: Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50% and allows spells to be cast immediately
Duration: 12s

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To make it clearer, you can change the buff Requiescat gives to a different name, just to distinguish it's buff from the ability itself.

I will say, I never saw the issue, but upon reading it, I can see how it can be a bit ambiguous to what it means.