White mage as we all know has always had the short end of the stick in terms of what to do during downtime. Its perception as the simple but powerful healer or the tutorial healer has led it to suffering a lot during downtime throughout the years.
I would argue however that it should not be the so called tutorial healer- that's what conjurer is for.
Instead I would say it should be the easiest to play of the three healers, but that does not mean it needs to be the current brain dead medica 2, dia then back to glaring with the occasional lily on the tank and blood lily on the enemy
WHM's the world over lament losing Aero 3, our only water ability (fluid aura) being nerfed to uselessness and the rest of our elements and abilities in shadowbringers.
Most want them back or at least aero 3
Throughout final fantasy history, white mages also had access to some useful buffs. Faith, Bravery, Protect, Reflect and Shell being the most common. Reflect for obvious reasons can't be used, but the others can be done or have been done previously in the game.
I'm thinking WHM could incorporate a little of both historical buffs and elemental damage for downtime. It would look something like this:
Note: I am not a balance expert so potencies will likely be a bit off. This is more an idea to bring some actual fun back to the downtime rather than balance
Damage spells:
Stone 1/2/3/4/5 does single damage to an enemy. 40% proc water
Aero 1/2 does DOT to a single enemy
Aero 3/4 does DOT to multiple enemies
Water 1/2/3/4/5 instant cast but must be procced, does single damage to an enemy and weaker aoe damage 3y away. Restores 500mp
Holy- bumped back up to 240 pot and mp cost raised to 900. (make it actually does more than tickle but not so much it can be spammed so frequently)
New ability Faith- self buff for Whm, costs 1 lily, recast 45 seconds: Turns stone into quake, water into flood and aero 1/2 into tornado. All instant cast spells at same mp cost as their bases.
>Quake: Does a potency 350 attack to every engaged enemy within 15y radius (so it doesn't aggro additional mobs in open world)
>Flood: Does a potency 375 attack to one enemy and within 3y of it
>Tornado: Does a potency 250 attack to one enemy and within 3y and inflicts them with a 15 second DOT dealing 150 potency over time.
New ability- Bravery: Boosts ally and self direct hit rate by 10% for 20 seconds and grants a lily. Recast 120 seconds. Cannot be used to gain lilies out of combat.
I can't think of anything to replace dia and glare, nor give protect and shell to allies like whm used to do without revamping or adding skills.
What are your thoughts? Shoudl whm focus more on its elemental roots or more on iconic final fantasy abilities?
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05-18-2020, 10:37 PMRecon1o6WHM downtime thoughts
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05-19-2020, 12:36 AMEaMett
I suspect there's a reason why they removed elemental skills from whm. So I doubt the elemental theme is coming back, ever.
If you really want some elemental skills, please look forward to the new healer in 6.0 -
05-19-2020, 05:03 AMNetherealThey should make fluid aura a silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaMett
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05-20-2020, 03:51 PMSaefinnQuote:
Originally Posted by EaMett
Which I think is daft. It'd be like Thunder, Blizzard and Fire spells all being replaced with darkness-based spells. Whilst WHM going more holy is appropriate for WHM in other FF titles, they've essentially established them differently in FFXIV where BLM and WHM are polar and how "light" and "dark" have their own spectrum of elements. Meaning a mix of light/dark and elemental magic is thematic to both jobs. Dia &Glare if anything should have been additional spells not upgrades. -
05-21-2020, 04:59 PMbasketofsealsIt'd be funny if they gave us darkness spells again as a sort of balance analogy and then we just end up being 1.0 THM. Bring me my cone heals and blood price please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
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05-21-2020, 10:54 PMRivinhal
I like the idea of using lilies during downtime to buff a spell. That's a cool idea. I'm not so certain I love your upgraded spells (for one, I don't think they should be upgraded to instant cast lol), but I see what you're going for. But I think that flat potency increases and new animations/skill names could suffice. That's less interesting, but it's way more realistic.
Not really a fan of Bravery though. I think if WHM is going to get direct offensive buffs like that (that grant a lily on top) they'd have to have their potencies slightly adjusted across the board to compensate. But I guess that's doable.
As for Protect? If you really wanted to reintroduce it, you could probably rework the current PvP version of Protect to allow it to work with a PvE WHM kit. That would be really interesting. -
05-21-2020, 11:19 PMMirronTulaxia
I like White Mages being more strictly Holy. As is it kind of ate up two different thematics (nature and divine) and because of that it wasn't a great fit. They're two distinct themes and they should be able to stand on their own. While I personally feel like they could have had a nature healer without issue (or a more divine one) others seemed to think that wasn't possible, so this change helps to make it possible.
As for the proposed idea, I'm not sure how I feel about it. Ignoring the elemental aspect which could just be changed, I would like Healers to focus more on healing as opposed to a soft rotation. Expanding the support a White Mage does would be fine, except that I'm not sure how they could do that in a meaningful way. As far as buffs/debuffs go I would want them to focus more on defensive things than offensive too, which isn't really popular but fits White Mage. -
05-22-2020, 01:43 AMSaefinnI think the two work together within the world of Final Fantasy XIV because it's not so much a nature healer (Conjurer I think was more nature) but how the elements exist along a spectrum and there being a split divide on the elements between Dark and Light. With White Mage taking the light and Black Mage taking the dark. This is then also carried on into Red Mage who seek to join the two sides of the spectrum together and why much of their mechanics are to two with balancing the dark and light through their respective elements until unleashing light (verholy) or dark magic (verflare). I think to have White Mage move away from that to have much more of a holy focus I think doesn't fit with the theme and feel of a White Mage here. And I miss big rocks, windy spells and the hope they one day bring a proper water-based spell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia
I guess also how as a result it doesn't simply feel like it's a holy mage, which we see a lot of out there, it's more about the elements than any kind of divine power and I like that.
Whereas something more purely holy I think works great for Paladin in this game, just like something purely dark would great for Dark Knight.
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Actually it might serve me more argument for why they could add Devout as a 4th healer. I suggested the idea of the 4th healer being a good way to move all of the healer design philosophy of 5.0 to a new job so all those who praise this direction have what they want, whilst reverting the existing healers to the design philosophies people already liked who're complaining. I suggest 5.0 WHM's design could be a good basis because it is the best designed of the 3 in ShB, and Devout would fit the position well. Devout would also leave more room for a pure holy class and could relate back more to Krile too. Though some might argue too close to White Mage in someways, but we also got people calling for Geomancer, which is already close to Conjurer and Astrologian and Time Mage, which is also close to Astrologian. -
05-22-2020, 05:10 AMAllegor
WHM is the healer with the most downtime, and that's kinda why I personally want it to be the 'green DPS' healer. AST is already busy juggling with their card and seals system, and SCH can get their DoTs back to better compliment all their ogcd, but WHM is the most straightforward, aggressive out of the 3 and that aspect of it should be improved. Not to mention that, as Recon said, it's embarrassingly easy compared to the other 2.
As for its theme and relation to geomancer, despite Yoshi already saying another split job is never gonna happen because SCH/SMN were already hell to code and balance, it'd just be the most logical outcome to have geomancer branch off CNJ in the same fashion.
Perhaps my wording wasn't the best there, I meant give them back all their DoTsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rivinhal
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05-22-2020, 08:19 AMRivinhal???Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegor
I swear I'm not trying to be snippy, but I take it you haven't played SCH in a while?
Edit: To actually contribute to the thread, I'll say I don't have a strong feeling on the WHM identity. I'd be okay if it was primarily nature-oriented, and I'm okay that it's primarily holy-oriented now. I feel like those are two halves of the same coin for WHM. -
05-22-2020, 07:31 PMMirronTulaxia1. White Mage is Conjurer. The two aren't desegregated just because of a name change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
2. If we're going with elements tied to Light then White Mage would have Ice. That's the element most strongly associated with Light/Umbral in the game, hence why Shiva in Eden turned out the way it did. So even going off of that reasoning it doesn't really line up.
3. Flare... isn't Dark Magic. It's Fire. The mastery of Black Magic (for a time) isn't Darkness, it's Fire. Lately Black Mages have picked up some Darkness-like spells (arguably the unaspected spells are those presumably), but the bulk of their theme isn't really Darkness stuff either. And they use the element most closely aligned with Light as well, Ice. So if you try and look at it from the XIV lens of six elements and two polarities it still doesn't quite line up to Black Mages being dark masters.
4. As far as White Mages not fitting the theme of... I'm not sure I quite understand the argument, I guess XIV's elemental balances? As far as that goes, the two jobs are not balanced around the elemental wheel. Black Mages use the three standard elemental spells they've always used, and White Mages got a nature theme added to them and used a couple elements they've used elsewhere with a third added (Earth (though thinking on it Mobius does use Earth I believe)). There isn't anything wrong with it, but it isn't about balancing the wheel of elements at all and astral/umbral polarities. Black Mage bounces between the two poles as is, it's literally in the name. More to that point Black Mage is if anything more light aligned as its Umbral element is the peak light one, while its Astral one is Fire not Lightning. So looking at that kind of angle shows a really weird system in place.
5. In short, the elements don't really flow that way. Since they don't, actually having White Mage move to a proper Light theme (which is the closest to a consistent theme with the job) is better. They can always take those three elements and flesh them out better in another job and make that more of a theme. We could even see a proper Dark themed spellcaster at some point too, though I don't really expect that. To me Black Mage and White Mage aren't really opposites so much as a hold over from FFI being inspired by DnD. At least in terms of elements they aren't or in terms of themes. That said White Mage has been focused on the divine/holy much more consistently than anything else.
6. Devout, Geomancer, and Time Mage all can stand independently of existing jobs. Especially when one need only look at Scholar to see how much a job can change from past incarnations. That said I don't really see any point in Devout when White Mage does what Devout presumably would do. Geomancer stands out as a solidly nature themed job and in terms of mechanics could have a zone based gimmick perhaps. Time Mage is magic that manipulates time and space (including Earth, which could be a thing for taking away it from White Mage), Astrologian manipulates fate and uses star themed magic. While they overlap with Gravity it's not too heavy of an overlap really. Really it's just makes a case that Earth is much better suited for Geomancer or Time Mage than White Mage as White Mage has a solid theme that works without Earth, while Geo/Time would have a much harder time pulling it off. -
05-23-2020, 10:37 AMTulzscha
Hmmmm well AST has buffs covered with cards, defensive buffs would be similar to shielding which is more of SCH's thing and that's more pre-emptive healing than something to do during downtime. SCH I feel should either get their 2nd pet back and/or moar dots so for WHM I'd say more nukes and nuke-related things. If SCH is the healing version of SMN and WHM is healing version of BLM (while AST is off prancing around like the special snowflake it is) then yeah just toss in some more straight-forward bursty-type damage things.
Combos, procs, more lily stuff BlOoD fOr ThE bLoOd LilY, lots of ways it could go. Converting heal spells to damage could be neat, could flavor it by making the enemy undead or something. Going on the BLM comparison maybe some of their heals get even more beefy but eat through mana and they can dps to gain it back (with some mana-hungry dps spells as well for good measure). Or they could just dive into melee and tear the hearts out of their enemies upon which they feast to nourish the blood lily because that's what WHM is about now right? -
05-24-2020, 05:56 AMVitreus
I'd much rather WHM focus on the elementals but like others have said they might have been removed for it's iconic FF abilities so that a future healer, like geomancer, might come into play. That being said I do think our downtime kit needs to be changed. It's way too simple. The devs seem adamant about dps being an afterthought so I'd rather bring in more support spells for our downtime. Let us grant haste to our allies or put an vulnerability on the boss. Make it something interesting and fun. As it stands now content slowly becomes more trivial and boring the stronger we become because our downtime increases. Give us something fun to do in that downtime.
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05-24-2020, 08:24 PMSaefinnWhilst some inaccuracies on my part, I'll accept. I think in my post, I let myself confuse Light Magic with White Magic and Dark Magic with Black Magic. When light and darkness is umbral & astral.Quote:
Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia
Even then. The elements are split between White and Black Magic, even if they aren't opposites in terms of light and dark.
White Magic is not the same as Conjury, though in learning it, White Magic derives from the same elements as conjury and acts as an upgrade with light magic included. And it was the same balance for White Magic during the war of the Magi against the Black Mages of Mhach. And Red Magic holds the balance between White and Black Magic because of that war. White Magic in this game just isn't purely light or holy and to move into that direction I just don't think makes sense for this game. Light magic is meant to be an addition to their elemental magic, not an upgrade.
It just seems to be arbitrarily moving it more in line with WHM in other FF titles and touch on their themes, rather than the one they've already established. -
05-24-2020, 11:31 PMMirronTulaxiaThe elements were split between them. Now they aren't. White Mages don't typically have a rigid 1:1 opposition with Black Mages in terms of elements. They use Holy/Light, while Black Mages tend to use Fire/Ice/Lightning. Letting another job take up the three elements White Mages were using, especially when they're likely to be more important thematically, isn't a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
As far as how it impacts the lore, it really doesn't. White Mages way back when in the War of the Magi are different from White Mages now, and especially different from White Mage WoL. Nothing wrong with him moving away from those roots. It's not like Black Mages are going around dealing with Voidsent after all.
With regards to how arbitrary it is, if they're adding a job to better focus on those themes then it really isn't. While I personally feel they could have had White Mage and Geomancer both as healers others disagree. -
05-25-2020, 02:23 AMSaefinnWhilst they are different now to what they were in the War of the Magi, White Mage now derives from Conjurer, which is also based around those elements. I just don't see it plausibly dropping those elements as it grows more powerful when it has always been a combination of those elements and light-aspected magic, which has worked great and is something that I and WHM's I know also liked about it. But why change it up now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia
And it doesn't stop the potential for a Geomancer, I'd think Geomancer would probably better suit a support magic DPS rather than a healer, personally. But the game already has them in lore and is perfectly plausible to bring them in. -
05-25-2020, 03:07 AMVeloxWell if you think back to the lore of White Magic, the reason why it was banned was because in it's purist form, it allows for the direct manipulation of the aether in people. The most powerful White Mages of Amdapor could break down the very existence of the soul with a single spell. This does fall in line with what we've learned about the nature of Light in 4.0 (the complete cessation of aether). I mean, the WoL's soul began to fracture by absorbing Light...imagine the power some of the Amdapori could wield if they had the ability to just completely shatter a soul at will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
If only makes sense that as the WoL grows ever more powerful in White Magic, White Magic would begin to manifest in its purist form and start to greatly offset any past teachings of conjuration. Thus, as the WoL continues to learn White Magic at the expense of Conjury, the more influence White Magic will have on his/her tool kit. Earth/Water/Air will give way to Light. -
05-25-2020, 10:42 AMSaefinnI'm not sure I agree it's tied to the MSQ, because as I understand, job design isn't based on what is happening to the WoL in the MSQ. With regards to the MSQ this light absorbed by the warrior of light is only temporary and is gone by the end of 5.0. And if there were influences, then I'd expect some consistency over on Red Mage who also makes use of White Magic and I'd expect jobs with elements associated with light would be affected too. As elements associated with light would also benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
And we've also established that White Magic isn't just made up of elements relating to light, but also dark. Water and Wind are Umbral (light), whilst Earth is Astral (dark). So I'm not sure White Magic in its purest form would simply be 'Light Magic'. White Magic isn't light magic, it's a combination of Light, Earth, Water and Wind. Nor would I see the Warrior of Light perverting White Magic in the way the Amdapori did or getting on the wrong side of the elemental. Even then, there's no indication the Amdapori got to the point where they were purely using light-aspected magic, as we see mobs associated with Amdapor using other elements associated with White Magic.
Even with all that said, if the warrior of light were getting more powerful as a White Mage from swapping Earth and Wind for Light, it's a little well, anti-climatic. As there's only 20 potency on Stone IV -> Glare. And 60 potency only on the initial hit on Aero II -> Dia. It's a negligible difference. And the animations don't even make up for it in giving the feeling of being powerful.
Wouldn't it also have been cooler if instead of Glare and Dia as upgrades you got Quake and Tornado? And Y'shtola already casts Tornado. -
05-26-2020, 01:14 AMAllegor
I got to admit though, I do like the afflatus spells have a floral theme so it's not like WHM entirely abandoned their CNJ roots
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05-26-2020, 01:55 AMQueenSheba
I main WHM exclusively.
I hate everything in this post.
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05-26-2020, 04:57 AMSemirhageWhich part? Filling WHM downtime at all, or the specific suggestions presented?Quote:
Originally Posted by QueenSheba
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05-26-2020, 05:52 AMKabooa
Let us work under the assumption that an Elemental healer isn't the reason that White mage has moved to Holy only offensive spells.
The structure of this kit is similar to Casino Black Mage, the ARR iteration before Eno-Chan came in.
Frankly, I'm not a fan. Wasn't a fan of Casino Mage at the time either, but yakno, Eno-Chan wasn't around to show me the way. Any Spam-> Proc system is just a combo system with extra steps that feel extra bad when you can't plan around it.
The Lily empowerment part can work.
Spend Lily -> Gain Empowered Spell use. Instant single, AoE DoT, Badonka AoE. -
05-26-2020, 08:35 PMMirronTulaxiaThe out of game answer is, presumably, they streamlined aspects of it so they could give it to Geomancer or another concept. In game there isn't any particular reason they have to work the way they do, but there isn't any real reason they have to stick strictly with Conjurer-themed spells either. As for stopping it from adding Geomancer, I've never held that stance, but others do. Whether or not SE does is hard to read at this point. It's quite possible they just wanted White Mage to fit its traditional depictions more, or move it away from being opposite of Black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
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05-26-2020, 10:56 PMAyer2015
I'm more than happy to glare spam on my downtime. Can always play AST if I wanted to buff the party.
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05-27-2020, 02:27 AMSemirhageI have no idea how you're not bored out of your skull. I'd like some actual class design in my WHM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayer2015
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05-27-2020, 08:30 AMAcece
If whm is going to be the pdps healer then it should have (in my opinion) the most complicated dps roation of the healers. Whm can't have the simplest heals and also have the simplest dps, unless they just want whm to have the lowest skill floor and skill ceiling, by far, in the game.
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05-27-2020, 10:57 AMYuella
I propose using the stone-aero-water elemental aspect for WHM's DPS. A gauge that can be filled with those 3 elements and if all 3 elements are there, glare does more damage. it doesnt to be like RDM, just a simple 1 counter for each (like Samurai's). Aero = fill Aero gauge, Stone = fill Stone gauge, new water spell = fill Water gauge, then Glare.
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05-27-2020, 02:10 PMAllegorHonestly, it kinda already does. I'm always lowkey self conscious AST/SCH are always juggling cards or their fairy stuff while weaving in gcd and ogcd and watching out their job gauges while I'm here like Glare, Glare, Glare, Glare, Glare ohh, incoming aoe! Rapture, Assize, Glare Glare Glare....Quote:
Originally Posted by Acece
WHM is the tutorial healer, the only one of the 3 a brand new player has access to, but come on, by the time one reaches ~50 no job, regardless of role, should feel that easy. -
05-27-2020, 04:04 PMLimoniaI agree. This is also why I'm so puzzled every time someone suggests that when a healer rework comes, SCH should focus on dps with more DoTs, AST should focus on buffing the party with more card stuff, and WHM can become the pure healer so that those kind of players have a healer as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acece
It is because WHM has the most straight-forward healing that it can get a more "complicated" dps "rotation". Not saying that SCH and AST should keep their one DoT, one spam spell type of boring dps. But because of how WHM healing works, it has the most potential to get a dps combo (or whatever, maybe something similar to DNC procs or so) without making it too complicated. WHM also has a lot of empty hotbar space compared to the other healers, so one more reason to give WHM more dps options. -
05-29-2020, 05:54 AMVitreusWith all due respect I cannot understand how you can't be bored spamming a single ability.Quote:
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05-29-2020, 07:36 AMLiam_Harper
I can understand it. WhM is a relaxing class to play. It needs less of the constant focus that a dps does and that's appealing for newer players. It's fine to enjoy the current healers.
However, when you learn your WhM and your team learn the encounter (which doesn't take long) you soon learn there's no further room to improve. Every fight is Dia, Glare, Glare, Glare, lily for raidwide, Glare, Glare. You start longing for those messy runs to really test you or make you feel your skill contributed to the run. There's nothing to master, where dps have so many tiny factors that can push you that bit further. That's where experienced healers get bored. -
05-29-2020, 02:36 PMAcece
The reason whm is so good for beginners isn't because of it's simplified dps rotation. It's because it's the only healer that you can reliably heal reactivity in a, very heavily, planned healing game. so as long as they keep the heals simplified (and powerful) they can go as far as they want with the dps rotation. I really hope they don't leave healers in the dust next expac, all the healers have a lot of potential they can expand on if they tried hard enough.
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05-31-2020, 05:53 PMAnatha
I love that we get holy spells instead of the absolute bore that was stone and aero.
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06-01-2020, 09:51 AMRosa_FrandliaAre you sure? In HW you had to maintain Aero 1, 2, and 3 as dots (also could have thunder and virus). I'm really confused how that was more boring.Quote:
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06-01-2020, 10:53 AMKabooaDots with no interaction are no different than Glare, stronger glare every 18s, and stronger-er glare every 24s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia
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06-01-2020, 12:29 PMRosa_FrandliaI don't get you, that is up to 5 GCD's that are used refreshing dots compared to one. A more powerful spell doesn't mean it is less boring. It also gave more to do in healing downtime as well as some instacasts, although aero 3 then did have a longer cast time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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06-01-2020, 01:44 PMKabooaConsider the following.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia
A DoT effect differs from Front End / Back End burst cooldowns in a few ways, but all three methods are dressing on the same basic premise - Maintenance. Maintenance abilities are designed to be more powerful for the "Resource" (In this case - The GCD), but are not designed to be used repeatedly against the same target.
Their use and variance across different games changes based on other game mechanics or engine quirks, such as the presence of Snapshotting, or dynamic updating.
Among these three basic entries into Maintenance style abilities, there are a few differences among them that give them a basic boon over the other.
DoT skills usually have no cooldown, but confer an "Implied" cooldown. Overwriting the DoT before it is done is losing damage. However, with no cooldown, you can DoT multiple targets.
Front Ended burst do it all at once, making it ideal for hot swaps, or as the last skill before a transition.
Back ended burst rely on other mechanics but allow you more creative set ups for high spike damage - This is more apparent in PVP settings as spike damage is harder to deal with.
DoT management by itself, however, is among the most shallow cases. If you do not understand the original sentiment, go and play Machinist. Drill and Air Anchor demonstrate "Stronger Glare" as a design focus. They are both front ended cooldowns, and yet follow the same overarching principles of Multi-Dot management.
But, if dressing is all you need to get by, by all means.
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06-01-2020, 03:54 PMSaefinn
I think what is being got at is that how is the reduction in the number of DPS spells make things more interesting for a job that already only had a handful of them? A few extra spells helped breakup the monotony a little more.
Comparing to MCH is not a fair comparison, if 55% of the time MCH was hitting Drill in group content, then maybe it will be fairer and I bet you MCH would be complaining how boring their job has gotten. Or better yet 90% of the time you are doing solo content. Because this is not only how it feels to DPS on a healer (and not just WHM). -
06-01-2020, 04:12 PMKabooayes, you've hit the crux of the issue, and why I brought up Machinist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
Maintenance skills alone don't bring much. If Mach was their one combo (These fall under "Filler" category - The entirety of the Machinist Combo is no different than Glare, but it's 3 buttons.) and Drill + AA, then you could either reduce or add another Drill-like and it wouldn't make a difference.
When dealing with a limited number of abilities, the best way to get the most mileage out of them isn't to add more of the same. It's to add interactions between them. It's adding constraints. Lilies being the mechanic to heighten spell power is good. It creates a natural resource and priority conflict.
Adding 3 more DoTs is less-good. It's not inherently wrong, but it's significantly less interesting than keeping the 1 DoT and filling out the toolkit with more unique applications. -
06-01-2020, 08:50 PMNobleWinter
I just wanna see more interesting options like maybe Afflatus Rebirth to Revive a teammate that uses 2 Lillies and grants no blood Lillies. Then you have a choice between a free revive that sets back Misery or using swiftcast and dumping the mp. Give Scholar Fey Awakening to spend 50 Fey gauge to revive as well. We could have way more fun ways to spend our resources. Even Astro Seals could be spent to trigger different DPS abilities. Let's say 3 of the same seal could be used to trigger a massive personal attack so using seals solo would mean aiming for the opposite seal combination to trigger full power Divine Seal. Healer gameplay just seems to lack any depth at all on both the healing side and the DPS options.