Anyone else want to see minor Scions get promoted to bigger roles?

I think it would be great to expand upon other members within the Scions of the Seventh Dawn even if it's through optional side quests. It's understandable that major Scions such as Y'shtola, Thancred, Urianger, Alphinaud, Alisaie, and even Tataru will always get a lot of screen time but the organization is a bit bigger than just them.

It doesn't have to be extremely major like Y'shtola's and Thancred's involvement in Shadowbringers but instead something along the lines of Arenvald's involvement in the Post-Stormblood main scenario quests. Arenvald went from a background character to someone that we eventually got to know.

From what I gathered in the lore book, here is a list of non-major living members still with the organization that could maybe get a plot promotion:
- Hoary Boulder
- Coultenet Dailebaure
- Alianne Vellegrance
- Riol Forrest
- Slafswys Helbloefwyn
- Dariustel Sompt
- V'mah Tia
- Ocher Boulder
- Aenor Cockburne
- Ephemie Giphelmont
- Aergmhus Saehstymmysn

Arenvald Lentinus used to be part of this list but the developers were able to pull him out and expand on his background and identity. F'lhaminn Qesh, while still playing a somewhat minor role, is also a character whose background and identity we are all already familiar with since it ties in with Minfillia which is why I didn't list her.

Personally, I'd like to see something done with Hoary Boulder since he's always at the center whenever they gather around the background characters. More story on Riol would also be interesting since he was the guy that tipped us off about the Crystal Braves. Lastly, I think Dariustel would be interesting since all Duskwights that play a somewhat bigger role (if any) are always villainous, from what I recall.

I think this would help flesh out the organization more as a whole and give it more identity than just the small circle of friends that we are familiar with. What do you guys think?

Riol has consistently shown himself to be moral, loyal, and capable.

I understand that, like Minfilia, most of the work he does is behind the scenes, but I still feel like he deserves more screen time. He's even a former member of the non-Echo using primal slayers, the Order of Heroes!

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Originally Posted by Jandroid

Anyone else want to see minor Scions get promoted to bigger roles?

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Personally I do not. FFXIV suffers from character bloat, the more screentime a minor character gets, the less the major ones get. And the major scions already don't get that much screentime.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Riol has consistently shown himself to be moral, loyal, and capable.

I understand that, like Minfilia, most of the work he does is behind the scenes, but I still feel like he deserves more screen time. He's even a former member of the non-Echo using primal slayers, the Order of Heroes!

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Company. Company of Heroes.

I definitely want to see Dariustel back. We don't have enough Duskwight characters, especially as non-villains, and it seemed like he was being set up as a supporting character in ARR (he gets a speaking line in the post-credits "welcome back" scene) but then he drops out entirely and is never seen again. The first lorebook (IIRC) says he's currently monitoring the beast tribes, but there's been little news on that front in ages. Maybe he could team up with Arenvald and Fordola...?

I'm conflicted.

On one hand, it'd be nice to see more of Riol and Arenvald. On the other hand, major characters are already lacking in consistent screen-time due to the amount of attention that the Scions already receive by comparison.

Would also like to see more of Horey Boulder, his partner and his brother. And also would like to see how the scions in general are fareing with most of the leadership isekai'd to the first (the WoL technically excluded)

Would also want to see more of Unukalhai.

I definately want to see more of unukalhai. That lad should be a gold mine of lore

Hoary/coultenet and definately Riol would be nice

most importantly though, Tataru! we need more of her! She got bugger all screentime yet she's important too. We just need to train her in arcanima or who knows, maybe she'd be really good with an axe.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

I definately want to see more of unukalhai. That lad should be a gold mine of lore

Hoary/coultenet and definately Riol would be nice

most importantly though, Tataru! we need more of her! She got bugger all screentime yet she's important too. We just need to train her in arcanima or who knows, maybe she'd be really good with an axe.

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Would had been really easy to accomplish for her to be involved in the SHB, just have the Exarch's spell be more of an AoE thing and poof, she gets isekai'd along with the WoL to the First (albeit without the one-way bit for obvious reasons...unless there was something inherent to the WoL's heritage that make shard hopping possible)

Her skills in espionage and accounting would also be useful.

Granted the opportunity had came and past. Mist also worth mentioning AFAIK that Krylie also didn't have much of a role beyond a cameo as a corpse (in Urianger's "vision")

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

Company. Company of Heroes.

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Order, Company... ehh, whatever.

That was a long time ago in-game; also, too much Fire Emblem Heroes. In the wake of the civilization-ending plague I did manage to kick the habit though!

I think I am at the point where I am ready for a new cast to take over.. I just want a few characters to be added and I want them to be involved more in the current stories or the stories to come. Hien is new and shiny to me still, so he can stay. But like the twins? Urianger? Yawn, overplayed, overused. Tired.

I would like for the twins to grow up already. The time dilation has stretched too thin for my tastes. Also I miss that skill on AST. As for side characters getting more love, I would like for Rowena's real stake in the world to come out and for Gerolt to really up the ante. And I'd for sure love for Hien to keep popping up. I would also very much appreciate Heustienne teaming up with Estinien in the future.

And uhh the city state leaders. I'd like them to do more than sit in their towns and twiddle their thumbs. It'd be nice if Merlwyb contracted the Ironworks or something to outfit her ships with magitek. It'd be nice if Gridana lady and the conjurer's guild started lending out their healing services to the front lines. It'd be nice to see how Lolorito and the Sultana are getting along as well, even though i hate the Sultana.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Would also like to see more of Horey Boulder, his partner and his brother. And also would like to see how the scions in general are fareing with most of the leadership isekai'd to the first (the WoL technically excluded)

Would also want to see more of Unukalhai.

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Unukalhai should most definitely get some screen time. I would honestly be very surprised if Unukalhai is forgotten in Shadowbringers since he is a disciple of Elidibus. I actually don't consider him to be a "minor" Scion because I expect him to become a "major" one very soon. I would be very surprised if the writers bury him and forget his existence.

The only question is how the writers would reintroduce him in the main scenario quests for players who never completed the Warring Triad story.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

I think I am at the point where I am ready for a new cast to take over.. I just want a few characters to be added and I want them to be involved more in the current stories or the stories to come. Hien is new and shiny to me still, so he can stay. But like the twins? Urianger? Yawn, overplayed, overused. Tired.

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I don't really understand this logic. It's a continuous story with an established supporting cast. You don't just drop them all and pick up a new set of characters to replace them.

Giving more characters some time in the spotlight is one thing, or even introducing new major allies for each expansion, but they're not going to abandon the core cast.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

And uhh the city state leaders. I'd like them to do more than sit in their towns and twiddle their thumbs. It'd be nice if Merlwyb contracted the Ironworks or something to outfit her ships with magitek. It'd be nice if Gridana lady and the conjurer's guild started lending out their healing services to the front lines. It'd be nice to see how Lolorito and the Sultana are getting along as well, even though i hate the Sultana.

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Did you miss the bit where they all joined the Eorzean Alliance and fought alongside us on the battlefield at the Ghimlyt Dark? "Gridania lady" saved us from being blasted by a colossus and everything. (And if her Tale From the Calamity is anything to go by, she certainly would have been healing people on the battlefield during and afterwards - it's just not a particularly exciting thing to show within the game.)

Nanamo last showed up in the Saltery sidequests and Lolorito is involved in that at a background level too, wherever they take it from here.

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Originally Posted by Jandroid

The only question is how the writers would reintroduce [Unukalhai] in the main scenario quests for players who never completed the Warring Triad story.

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Well, now that they've set a precedent for making previously-optional content required for MSQ... :D

But, really he should have been brought back into play ages ago. Or give him something to do in a subsequent sidequest OR at very least have him off doing some kind of important task so there's a reason for him to be not involved in the MSQ, rather than sitting around the solar all day but not getting involved in the quest unfolding in the main hall.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Did you miss the bit where they all joined the Eorzean Alliance and fought alongside us on the battlefield at the Ghimlyt Dark? "Gridania lady" saved us from being blasted by a colossus and everything. (And if her Tale From the Calamity is anything to go by, she certainly would have been healing people on the battlefield during and afterwards - it's just not a particularly exciting thing to show within the game.)

Nanamo last showed up in the Saltery sidequests and Lolorito is involved in that at a background level too, wherever they take it from here.

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No, and I didn't miss the part where they fought at Ala Mhigo either. I want more of that though, and particularly I want them to have more dialogue. I loved the sit down with Varis at the end of Stormblood. There should be more, though. Even within these great examples the city-state leaders feel more tacked on than expanded upon. I'd like some more Aymeric and Lucia too. Especially Lucia.

Sure. Depending on how they do it. In fact with the major Scions stuck on The First the current expansion would have been a great time for this.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

I think I am at the point where I am ready for a new cast to take over.. I just want a few characters to be added and I want them to be involved more in the current stories or the stories to come. Hien is new and shiny to me still, so he can stay. But like the twins? Urianger? Yawn, overplayed, overused. Tired.

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I really can't agree. I love that the core cast has stayed largely consistent over the course of the game bar one or two roster changes each expansion. It makes them actually feel like my party members and friends, and I'd hate if they were just gone for the sake of being gone.

I'm all for seeing people like Hoary Boulder or Unukalhai (especially him) get more to do, but not at the cost of killing off the core group.

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

I really can't agree. I love that the core cast has stayed largely consistent over the course of the game bar one or two roster changes each expansion. It makes them actually feel like my party members and friends, and I'd hate if they were just gone for the sake of being gone.

I'm all for seeing people like Hoary Boulder or Unukalhai (especially him) get more to do, but not at the cost of killing off the core group.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you here. I know I started the thread with the topic of promoting the less significant Scions but it definitely shouldn't be at the cost of abandoning the main cast. One does not simply overhaul the main cast and expect a coherent and consistent story. Even though Arenvald wasn't promoted as part of the main cast, it was definitely a breath of fresh air to get to know another member of the scion that isn't the ones we often work with.

Though the primary members of the Scions often play a major role in every expansion, not everyone always play the "main roles" the way Alphinaud and Estinien were in Heavensward or the way Lyse and Hien were in Stormblood but the cast changes are actually very consistent and natural as opposed to everyone suddenly being dropped. I actually like how Alphinaud took the backseat in Stormblood to let Alisaie shine but it's not like he was completely axed since he still played some role in that expansion and maintained relevance throughout the course of the story. Natural transitions like these are fine in my opinion if it's to help other characters grow.

What I look for in the development of these minor Scions are actually more for the enhancement of worldbuilding rather than forcing them to suddenly become a part of the main cast.