Reverting Quality of Life: Tank Stances

Honestly, there's not much to be said on this.

In Stormblood, the conscious and right decision was made to have tank stances remain persistant even when ilvl synching. This was a change that everyone liked!

For some reason, this change was not applied to tank stances when they were changed in 5.0; now tanks are back to forgetting their Shield Oats at the start of dungeons, and while it's a simple fix to just remember and turn it on, after an entire expansion of having a good quality of life here, there's no reason at all not to see that same quality of life reverted in Shadowbringers.

Return persistence through levelsynching for tank stances, please.

Forgetting happens.
Just say it, it's a one button pressed and done.

It's such a minor, little thing to simply say "hey, turn on tank stance" at the start of every dungeon, or to simply toggle it on the moment you notice a mob's beating your party members up. However, it's equally as minor for devs to just let us have it on all the time through levelsync too. Like, why not? I really don't imagine such a minor request would eat up the devs time a whole ton. I bet even an intern could do it!

This isn't something exclusive to tanks; all jobs lose their persistent effects when level synching. Monks lose their fist buff, Astrologians lose their sect, summoners and scholars have to resummon. It's more of a problem with how persistent buffs are handled in level sync in ShB, and it's something that they probably should address sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

This isn't something exclusive to tanks; all jobs lose their persistent effects when level synching. Monks lose their fist buff, Astrologians lose their sect, summoners and scholars have to resummon. It's more of a problem with how persistent buffs are handled in level sync in ShB, and it's something that they probably should address sooner than later.

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Then, let's fix that, too?

I would rather development resources go into things that players cannot fix with a tiny bit of awareness.
It really isn't that big of an issue and to be honest, having people be more aware would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Osteichthyes

I would rather development resources go into things that players cannot fix with a tiny bit of awareness.
It really isn't that big of an issue and to be honest, having people be more aware would be nice.

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I think the complaint is that they've already fixed it once. Why did they need to un-fix it?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I think the complaint is that they've already fixed it once. Why did they need to un-fix it?

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Let's be honest; Lack of oversight for something like this isn't unexpected from the dev team.
Whatever they did with the 5.0 changes was done without any thought about what they had done for all of 4.0, willing to bet, outside of "What can we do to make tanking easier that was 'hard' in the past? how can we entice more tanks?"
(An aside: Adventurer in need: Tank is the biggest lie of 5.0)

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Just say it, it's a one button pressed and done.

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This is my problem with tank stance in ShB, before it was always an active thought, do I have Shield Oath or Sword Oath? I can stance dance to get some extra oomph or to tank swap. Now I literally forget that what stance I am in at any given moment because it has been reduced down to turning it on 10 seconds into the fight as an OT and leaving it, that is the most engaging that it gets.

It'd be nice if tank stance was baked into the job and it was instead a DPS stance that you toggled on in order to halt bonus enmity generation.

Or getting crazy, a stance that you switched on so you could bank the bonus enmity generation, that you could then spend on skills to manipulate peoples aggro levels. Y'know, assuming we went back to a time when aggro was something to think about.

I'd desperately like for this to be re-enabled. Sometimes people die just because this is like my 8th duty today and enmity holds until the boss. Then bam, healer pancake. My static has actually has had some nasty nights because our 4-man static has an astro AND summoner, with literally only the DRG not suffering. Our quality-of-life would be greatly improved if they fixed this.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Then, let's fix that, too?

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This is more easily said than done. I highly doubt this was a conscious change. It is probably due to a quirk in the code that even Square-Enix may not fully understand. It could actually be very difficult to fix.

To be quite honest I don't mind the changes made to tanking for Shadowbringers. The issue of forgetting to turn on your tank stance still applied before even Shadowbringers. It was worse actually since doing lower level dungeons meant it would automatically turn off your stance. It happened to me a lot and I hated that. With tank stances now introduced at level 10, as well as the first dungeon starting at level 15, there's very few instances where I don't have to worry about the stance since I more than likely have it applied whenever I switch to a tank job.

I actually miss the two tank stances , idk why they changed it because you can still end up missing out on tank stance, so its a solution in search of a problem, if both of the stances effected enmity generation differently but still provided a bonus it would of been okay to keep them both.