There needs to be a way to remove dungeons from roulette?

Because I really, really, REALLY hate Amaurot. I hate running it and I get it all the time. I never want to set foot in that place again.

Ever. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Because I really, really, REALLY hate Amaurot. I hate running it and I get it all the time. I never want to set foot in that place again.

Ever. Seriously.

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That one is fun though lol I would like a thumps down system so I could remove all dungons below 35 from poping for me lol

It's not gonna happen as Roulettes are there to help people fill queues with rewards for clearing.

Speaking of which, what reasons do you have for hating Amaurot aside from getting it constantly?

Look up the definition of Roulette.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

It's not gonna happen as Roulettes are there to help people fill queues with rewards for clearing.

Speaking of which, what reasons do you have for hating Amaurot aside from getting it constantly?

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Compared to the other lvl 80 dungeons there’s just a lot going on. I get it, it’s meant to be...well I won’t say because that’s a spoiler, but it’s not at all relaxing to me. Compared to either The Twinning or Anyder, which I enjoy. Even Grand Cosmos is fun to me. Heck,I enjoy Eden’s Verse.

But Amaurot just seems long and tedious. And if you forget something you die instantly because your gear is synced down to 440.

I hate it. So much.

I don't mind it too much, but do wish my ilvl was higher in there. The dungeon feels like it takes longer because of where they set ours at.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Because I really, really, REALLY hate Amaurot. I hate running it and I get it all the time. I never want to set foot in that place again.
Ever. Seriously.

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Show me on the doll, where the mean meteor worm touched you....
AFAIK Amauroth is no longer part of the ex queue, so why are you running it?

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Originally Posted by Lium

And if you forget something you die instantly

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Erm... are we playing the same game here?!

Amaurot in design is fine, the main problem is your ilvl is synced to 430, so it's impossible to clear it fast. It should just be 470 like the rest.

See I'd take Amaurot over the hell that was Toto-rak almost every day for several months back in HW. I still get irrationally annoyed any time it pops up in the roulette these days because of how many times the roulette plopped me in there back then - even though it's practically a brain dead affair these days.

Would it be a roulette then?

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Originally Posted by Lium

And if you forget something you die instantly because your gear is synced down to 440.

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What? That's just how it works. I don't see the issue, just don't do Level 80 roulette, problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Enla

See I'd take Amaurot over the hell that was Toto-rak almost every day for several months back in HW. I still get irrationally annoyed any time it pops up in the roulette these days because of how many times the roulette plopped me in there back then - even though it's practically a brain dead affair these days.

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I got Toto-rak 8 times in a row leveling an alt. Luckily my party was understanding when I let a little grievance slip.

What are you dying instantly at..?

I just want the 50/60/70 roulettes to be separated into their own level roulettes...

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

What are you dying instantly at..?

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The one spot I see people die often in that place, is the first boss. Think I ran it with a healer once who, no joke, died 3-4 times to the meteor dropping. But that's such an easily, avoidable mechanic, I have no idea what was going on on the healer's side. At least we had a competent Red Mage on our Team, who kept rezzing them. Then there's the final boss, who could also be a problem if the DPS is too low. But that was a problem at launch. After a few months now, that should pretty much be a non-issue now.

But the cast is so long you could run around the arena 2 times.
And even if they die, well, a lot of people die randomly in dungeon and, that's not the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by Barachim

The one spot I see people die often in that place, is the first boss.

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Honestly, I've seen more struggles with giant pulls when people forget they're synched down to i440 than with the actual bosses in there. (Though I have seen a breathtaking number of people accidentally dash/dive/backflip off the arena with the final boss.)

Agreed. Amaurot is extremely difficult. That one should be moved to the expert roulette. It is and never was normal content. The fact that it is a main story dungeon baffles me. What were they thinking? I concur though, we should be able to disable the really difficult stuff like this.

I thought this was about Aurum Vale.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Honestly, I've seen more struggles with giant pulls when people forget they're synched down to i440 than with the actual bosses in there. (Though I have seen a breathtaking number of people accidentally dash/dive/backflip off the arena with the final boss.)

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When it comes to giant pulls, I found The Burn to be much more challenging. Because there are constantly aoes that you have to avoid. As long as Tanks watch their cds and Healers know what they are doing, I don't find it any more difficult than any other dungeon. But that's just my personal experience.

Can I remove a bullet from the Russian Roulette?

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

It's not gonna happen as Roulettes are there to help people fill queues with rewards for clearing.

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This. Amaurat especially needs rouletters to help new players finish the MSQ.
I would love to opt out of ARR content in my roulettes since I find most of it dull now but the reality is the roulettes primarily exist to keep old content alive and doing so would hurt queues.

But there's no reason to run the level 80 roulette anyway.
The total tomes you get from the 80 roulette plus the dungeon, is less than what you get if you just ran one of the two most recent dungeons.

On the subject, I wouldn't be against having a single opt out dungeon, being able to choose just one dungeon you never want to play via a roulette.
I think there's enough competition for 'worst dungeon' that there would still be enough able to run whichever dungeon you need.
Sastasha, Halatali, Toto-rak, Tam Tara, I'd love to exclude all of those, but would be happy getting rid of any single one.

Yes, let me never run Toto-Rak again. No more slowing pools of poison.

No more.

I'm starting to like Amaurat myself. It shows me how few tanks are as actually as good as they THINK they are.

I'd be happy with a way to prevent constant reruns of the same instance. I've had over a week straight of Mt Gulg in leveling roulette.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Because I really, really, REALLY hate Amaurot. I hate running it and I get it all the time. I never want to set foot in that place again.

Ever. Seriously.

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Less complains and more pew pew.
You will get it done in 20mins

Roulettes in general need more options, not fewer. (The only removal I'd be behind is the removal of EX trials from mentor roulette; they either belong in their own roulette or not at all.)

Level 80 roulette right now is going to be weighted heavily toward Amaurot because it's the only dungeon in the bunch required for story.

In general though, if the 80 roulette has a "1/3" chance of giving you a dungeon you don't want to run, you might be best off simply not running that roulette.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Would it be a roulette then?

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Yes, just like the trials roulette is still a roulette despite not including Amaurot. Letting players avoid specific dungeons isn't going to cause the entire system to collapse. Participation may even increase if people didn't have to worry about being placed in their least favorite content. If certain dungeons are really despised by the majority, a separate option could be added to the duty finder to prioritize queuing into first timer dungeons or unpopular dungeons in return for more XP/tomes/whatever.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Can I remove a bullet from the Russian Roulette?

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Depends on how you define remove? I mean if you define remove by having in the bullet lodged in ones skull then sure one could remove a bullet. :)

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

On the subject, I wouldn't be against having a single opt out dungeon, being able to choose just one dungeon you never want to play via a roulette.

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I'd love to have something like this, actually. Everyone is likely to opt out of a different dungeon so I can't imagine it having a significant effect on queue times.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Can I remove a bullet from the Russian Roulette?

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Yes, just don't tell people that you did.

All the fear... none of the risk.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

Yes, just like the trials roulette is still a roulette despite not including Amaurot. Letting players avoid specific dungeons isn't going to cause the entire system to collapse. Participation may even increase if people didn't have to worry about being placed in their least favorite content. If certain dungeons are really despised by the majority, a separate option could be added to the duty finder to prioritize queuing into first timer dungeons or unpopular dungeons in return for more XP/tomes/whatever.

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Isn't the point of the roulette to help people to fill up content that would normally not get people?

the entire point of roulettes is to help new players get duty pops.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Isn't the point of the roulette to help people to fill up content that would normally not get people?

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That is one of the intentions behind them but it is not an excuse to make roulettes frustrating or boring, especially when an opt out function isn't going to negatively impact queues. In fact we already have some ability to opt out of duties since we have multiple roulettes instead of one roulette covering all duties. The only roulette that is all encompassing in the mentor roulette, and it's one of the most complained about.

Giving players more control over what they queue for would almost certainly help the Alliance Raid roulette for example since there are players interested in the higher level raids as well as the lower levels ones. Players that refuse to queue because of the ARR raids might change their mind if they never have to play through them. More diverse roulettes like Leveling won't really suffer from the option to lock out a specific dungeon, or possibly a handful of them, because the list of duties is so long that no particular dungeon will be universally avoided. If that did end up happening somehow then incentives could be used to attract more players. Expert roulette is probably one of the few that might be an issue because it doesn't include many duties.

It sounds like a win win for me. Keep roulettes around to help queues and make them more fun for those participating in them.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Honestly, I've seen more struggles with giant pulls when people forget they're synched down to i440 than with the actual bosses in there. (Though I have seen a breathtaking number of people accidentally dash/dive/backflip off the arena with the final boss.)

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You could do boss room to boss room pulls during early access week wearing AF gear, so i dont know why it'd be a problem now. If people are dying to big pulls in amuarot, then its not the content's fault.

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Originally Posted by Barachim

When it comes to giant pulls, I found The Burn to be much more challenging. Because there are constantly aoes that you have to avoid. As long as Tanks watch their cds and Healers know what they are doing, I don't find it any more difficult than any other dungeon. But that's just my personal experience.

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It's not so much that Amaurot is harder than a normal dungeon, in my experience, it's that the ilevel sync is aggressive enough that people who are coming in as level 80 used to the damage they can do and/or soak in later content with i470+ gear can be caught off-guard in Amaurot. Add to that the Roilers and Detonators that tether to folks (and the healing debuff you get from it), and some parties can get caught off-guard.

You're absolutely right that the Burn is more obnoxious, mechanically.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

Yes, just like the trials roulette is still a roulette despite not including Amaurot. Letting players avoid specific dungeons isn't going to cause the entire system to collapse. Participation may even increase if people didn't have to worry about being placed in their least favorite content. If certain dungeons are really despised by the majority, a separate option could be added to the duty finder to prioritize queuing into first timer dungeons or unpopular dungeons in return for more XP/tomes/whatever.

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It's far more likely queues would become unbearably longer for certain dungeons than increase. If you could veto five dungeons from Leveling, I can all but guarantee which ones would be picked.

Sastasha
Copper Bell
Toto-rak
Tam-tara
Aurum Vale

And therein lies the problem. Four of them are story required, which means new players could be waiting hours. Amaurot would have a similar problem simply because of the ilvl sync.

You don't have to run a roulette, imagine that concept.

So many ways to get tomes in this game now.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

This. Amaurat especially needs rouletters to help new players finish the MSQ.
I would love to opt out of ARR content in my roulettes since I find most of it dull now but the reality is the roulettes primarily exist to keep old content alive and doing so would hurt queues.

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Technically, MSQ players can run Amaurot just as the other msq dungeons with Trusts which makes the whole roulette reliance rather wonky, unless the players specifically prefer to run those dungeons with real people. This is, of course, fair enough, and up to everyone's personal preferenance. In contrast to pre-ShB dungeons where you must rely on other players - no negative connotation intended - to queue for the dungeons (and some "harder"/longer to queue trials).