Question regarding MCH's Lunchbox

So I was wondering...

Given the current nature of GNB, in that it uses aetherially enhanced ammunition to fuel its skills.

Which is the same concept as MCH, whom has the Aetherotransformer (AKA Lunchbox) to aid with this process (As well as to create ammunition I believe?)

Would it not be theoretically possible for Stephanivien to happen across an adventurer wielding a Gunblade (Given the nature of the GNB job quests) and then be able to study how it works in order to devise a way for MCH's to utilize their guns without need of the fugly Lunchbox stuck on their hip?

I mean, he's a smart guy. Surely he'd be able to figure something out?

Possibly done in a side-quest in the same vein as the Egi-Glamour one with a command to be able to show/hide the Lunchbox (Since I assume some people might have some glamours that work with it).

I'd very much like the option to hide it. It distracts from many attempts at creating a matching outfit. It wouldn't be so bad if we had more variety in how it looked, but we don't.

It's not the same technology.

MCH guns shoot magical bullets. Gunblades use actual physical cartridges that have to be charged up and reloaded.

MCH uses its lunchbox for some of the other abilities that don’t necessarily involve shooting so we would be left with some awkward animations where we’re interacting with a device that doesn’t exist anymore.

Another thing of note is that gunbreaker gunblades don’t actually shoot bullets. You pull the trigger and expend a cartridge to create an effect or magically enhance a strike. Even the long-range attack for GNB has you swing an arc of magical energy at the enemy rather than a bullet.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

It's not the same technology.

MCH guns shoot magical bullets. Gunblades use actual physical cartridges that have to be charged up and reloaded.

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MCH guns shoot physical bullets created by condensed aether (Directly into the gun if I remember the Job quests correctly). The "Magical" bullets was the old Reload mechanic where you would load in "Charged" bullets.

Of course, these days, MCH are pulling missiles out of their butts and conjuring up giant bullets behind them to chuck at enemies rather than actually shooting from their gun.

Meaning that MCH thus operates in a rather similar fashion to BLU wherein they condense aether into physical objects such as missiles and needles and what not.

Even if it was still a different technology, it doesn't mean that Stephanivien couldn't be inspired by its functionality and compact design to create something new.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

MCH uses its lunchbox for some of the other abilities that don’t necessarily involve shooting so we would be left with some awkward animations where we’re interacting with a device that doesn’t exist anymore.

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From what I can recall, it's used for all of 3 skills. Peloton, Tactician and Hypercharge.

Which could easily be altered. Given the number of other unique animations that MCH has for such skills (For example, Reassemble's animation of working the gun with a spanner would work well for Hypercharge. Barrel Stabilizer's hologram screens or Rook Overdrive's wrist mounted device could work for Peloton/Tactician)

I'd love to hide the thing. Having it missing for the few animations that hit it wouldn't really be any more distracting than, say, a bard pulling a harp or flute out of thin air.

I use the Makai pistol always. I'd love nothing more to have it attached to my hip and not my back and the lunchbox gone. The Makai pistol especially looking stupid since it's the smallest gun, and is a terrible back attachment.

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Originally Posted by Gula

The Makai pistol especially looking stupid since it's the smallest gun, and is a terrible back attachment.

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That may be about you being a roe. As a lalafell the makai pistol looks amazing for that same reason.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

MCH uses its lunchbox for some of the other abilities that don’t necessarily involve shooting so we would be left with some awkward animations where we’re interacting with a device that doesn’t exist anymore.

Another thing of note is that gunbreaker gunblades don’t actually shoot bullets. You pull the trigger and expend a cartridge to create an effect or magically enhance a strike. Even the long-range attack for GNB has you swing an arc of magical energy at the enemy rather than a bullet.

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Yeah, to emphasise that, the default Gunblade has a cylinder that doesn't even line up with the barrel.

https://i.imgur.com/S6dAohM.png

while it may be true that gnb and mch are different, i still want the option to hide it (same for ast card thingy). the awkward animation wouldnt bother me, its just like the pld shield where you block with just your arm :^)

If anything, I want lunchbox skins. Just a couple of extra models and a color scheme or two.

Guess I can dream...

It's your magical fanny pack. Collecting your aether and condensing it into ammunition for your weapon.

I don't even want a lore justification to hide that eyesore, I just want to be able to hide it ,_,

I just accepted the lunchbox and work my glamour around it. We’re already wielding a giant mechanical crossbow and a drill bazooka so the lunchbox is already in that aesthetic. Hide weapon is always an option if you don’t like wearing it around town.

I use the makai pistol too, but I don’t see them making a custom thing where they put it on your hip considering you can’t get it anymore and almost every gun that isn’t that gun is a rifle and won’t fit there.

The only thing I dont like about the aetherotransformer is that it's the same across all weapons instead of it having it's own style with different weapons. Dunno why they didn't just make it a sub weapon like PLD which is the only other combat job really using it.

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Originally Posted by Raiya

Dunno why they didn't just make it a sub weapon like PLD which is the only other combat job really using it.

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Same reason the off-hand NIN dagger and the RDM floaty thing aren't. After PLD they realized sub weapons are stupid and serve no purpose beyond making gearing up more annoying.

Another thought...

PLD have the ability to hide their shield completely through the use of a specific glamour. That's despite their shield playing a large part in regards to their fighting style. With that in mind an option to hide the MCH box would not be much of a stretch.

Currently Machinist has no connection with the lore, so removing that wouldn't change anything. At least until we get next rework, hopefully.

We need the lunchbox to cast Peloton

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Originally Posted by SamRF

We need the lunchbox to cast Peloton

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Bards use a flute to cast it. Do you see a flute on them anywhere?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Bards use a flute to cast it. Do you see a flute on them anywhere?

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Flute can be stored in places hidden from sight due to its cylinder shape

We can hide helmets from sight if we don't like them. Hroth boys have that effect as the default. There is no reason why we can't use the same magic or technology to hide that ugly box.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

Flute can be stored in places hidden from sight due to its cylinder shape

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I have to assume that you've never actually carried a flute, especially one that isn't designed to be disassembled. They're not exactly easy to just shove into a pocket. And whether a player could hide one at all depends on their character's race and glamour; I'd have to be wearing a trench coat for that to work.

Relatedly, there's also the harp that bards pull out of thin air to use their songs. Which they still do even when using a bow that has a harp built in, like the Artemis Bow (which, lore-wise, was specifically made to avoid this issue by quickly folding and unfolding, but it still goes away to use a song).

Either way, though, you don't see them when you don't need them. So why can't the lunch box pull the same disappearing act?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I have to assume that you've never actually carried a flute, especially one that isn't designed to be disassembled. They're not exactly easy to just shove into a pocket. And whether a player could hide one at all depends on their character's race and glamour; I'd have to be wearing a trench coat for that to work.

Relatedly, there's also the harp that bards pull out of thin air to use their songs. Which they still do even when using a bow that has a harp built in, like the Artemis Bow (which, lore-wise, was specifically made to avoid this issue by quickly folding and unfolding, but it still goes away to use a song).

Either way, though, you don't see them when you don't need them. So why can't the lunch box pull the same disappearing act?

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Alright sorry for not being more obvious but I was joking from the start. Why would I care about a Peloton animation lol, it was a comment meant to allude on how insignificant the lunchbox is. I'd have said Tactician animation if I wanted to make a better argument :P.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I have to assume that you've never actually carried a flute, especially one that isn't designed to be disassembled. They're not exactly easy to just shove into a pocket. And whether a player could hide one at all depends on their character's race and glamour; I'd have to be wearing a trench coat for that to work.

Relatedly, there's also the harp that bards pull out of thin air to use their songs. Which they still do even when using a bow that has a harp built in, like the Artemis Bow (which, lore-wise, was specifically made to avoid this issue by quickly folding and unfolding, but it still goes away to use a song).

Either way, though, you don't see them when you don't need them. So why can't the lunch box pull the same disappearing act?

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It appears you have missed the joke. I'm very sorry.

In my defense, 2020 has been a terrible year for me so far and my brain's not guaranteed to be fully functional at any given moment.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

In my defense, 2020 has been a terrible year for me so far and my brain's not guaranteed to be fully functional at any given moment.

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lmao understandable, I've also got wooshed on jokes a bunch of times because of fatigue and lack of concentration. I know how it sucks which is why I clarified pretty fast lol.

It would be nice to have a /lunchboxoff command like what they did with Gauss Barrel a while back. I'm guessing there isn't enough complaints about the lunchbox or maybe they just aren't capable of doing it due to programming reasons? At the very least, it would be nice to have at least 1 gun that doesn't come with it. I know SAM have at least 3 Katanas that don't have a scabbard attached.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd very much like the option to hide it. It distracts from many attempts at creating a matching outfit. It wouldn't be so bad if we had more variety in how it looked, but we don't.

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I like it. It shows we came ready, sandwich in hand!

Ultimately the lunchbox is there because that's what gives SE the excuse that you hold a carbine in one hand while the other does...seemingly nothing. I justify it by thinking that the left hand is a conduit for the aether that creates the bullets, its hovering over the lunchbox almost all the time, so surely having your hand near it is like turning off the safety in a real firearm...maybe.

I dunno - MCH animations have always been kinda dumb.

I'd love it if the box just changed it's look like sam scabbards do. Give me that first so at least you can try to match it to an outfit. Though I'd also wouldn't mind a hide it option as it tends to clip a lot if it's not already clashing with what i'm trying to wear. I'm just glad that SE doesn't go too realistic with the gun animations because some of the guns a mch use would have a lot of recoil let alone mess up our right arms as they're too big to be used with just one arm. Though i guess that just means that one arm is jacked?

I would love to be able to hide it, it works well with some outfits, namely the MCH AF gear, but when trying to make certain glamours, its just a bulky eyesore that gets in the way, its one of my biggest pet peeves with MCH, you don't even need a lore reason, you used to be able to hide the gauss barrel despite how important that was to MCH lore and PLDs can glam their shields away, just having the option to hide it (and make it server side please, I don't like how it looks, I don't want others seeing it either) would be fantastic. I love the Balthier set but if I try use it for my MCH, that lunchbox clips with the side bags and it really annoys me.

I get the purpose of the box, really I do, but surely being able to hide them wouldn't be too difficult to implement? We could toggle the gauss barrel, why not the box? Same with ASTs card sleeve thing.