Reduce the insane spawn timers on S marks.

Is it really necessary to make everyone wait 4 days to spawn an S mark on top of the numerous and equally insane requirements to get them to pop. I've been trying to get to Udumbara for 3 months now and every time it spawns I'm asleep. I don't really see any benefit to having a spawn time that's so egregiously long. It's not like these marks give that much in terms of currency.

If you want to keep them "rare", fine, but is there any realistic reason to have the spawn more than 24 hours at a time? (Even that seems ridiculous to me, but hey I'm willing to compromise.)

C'mon Squeenix, this is ridiculous.

I think the timers for S ranks are just fine.
If anything, some of the ARR S ranks should have longer CDs.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

I think the timers for S ranks are just fine.
If anything, some of the ARR S ranks should have longer CDs.

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May I ask why?

Are you trying to spawn it or only waiting for someone else to do it and call it? Engaging in cross world hunts? Udumbara is currently open on Balmung, Brynhildr, Diabolos, Goblin and Malboro. Go try spawning it.

I would also like a definition for “insane” spawn requirements.

I'm curious whey are you so interested in S ranks? Seems the hunt community is a lot more in to 16/16 SHB A rank trains that the S ranks themselves. Various discords will ping you when various hunts are up and available and personally I don't see any problem with the S rank spawn timer.

I'm trying to get the achievements.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I'm trying to get the achievements.

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What's worth achieving if not the near unobtainable?
Don't ask to make things easier, work to get them more efficiently.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

What's worth achieving if not the near unobtainable?
Don't ask to make things easier, work to get them more efficiently.

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I don't really understand how you conflate insanely long spawn timers to difficulty. That's not difficulty, it's just time gating.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I don't really understand how you conflate insanely long spawn timers to difficulty. That's not difficulty, it's just time gating.

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Of course it's time gating. It's an MMO, time gating is what this does best.
However there's better ways to go about it than asking for an easier time than anyone before you.
Jump servers, help them with their S ranks. There's hunt communities out there that'll tell you what server on your data centre is spawning what.

I find the s ranks to spawn way too often now because of the server hopping.

I don't bother with the S ranks anymore because by the time one is called, a PLD has soloed the monster down. /humor

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

May I ask why?

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For many players across all servers, spawning S ranks is a core gameplay loop in FF14.

Hunters, you could call them I suppose.
As I hunter, I personally enjoy chipping away towards S ranks that are available to spawn when I have time, sometimes with my friends.

We spawn, relay, slay and then wait for the shiny rare monster's next spawn cycle.

The several day wait is an integral part of the spawning process remaining enjoyable for me.
If any S rank could spawn every day, that would not only make the rare mobs feel far less special but it would disrupt the balance of working towards the S rank achievements.

Take the aforementioned Udumbara for example: it's spawn condition requires 100 Leshys and 100 Diakkas to be killed.
Pretty taxing effort, no?

On the opposing side of the Spectrum, let's look at the S rank for the peaks - Bone Crawler.
Spawning it requires the chocobo porter to be rode in the area.
This can be accomplished in mere moments by barely even paying attention.

Some S ranks are far easier to spawn than others, and I feel S has achieved an intricate balance in regards to working towards S rank achievements.
After the easy ones have been killed, hunters can work towards spawning the more taxing S ranks, all we wait for the next cycle so we may be ever closer to earning those coveted achievements.

Personally, I... just like spawning S ranks and become thrilled when I successfully spawn and see one.
I love taking the time to 'host' rare content that numerous players can reap the rewards of, even if I may end up waiting days for an opportunity to do so.

I also find the S rank monsters fascinating - rarely seen monsters that only live for minutes after someone worked to make them appear, yet living much in the memories of people who spent great deals of time to spawn them.

Having all S ranks spawn on a daily basis would utterly destroy my attachment to the hunt as an activity and I would likely just subsequently quit the entire game.

If I wanted to work towards spawning monsters that could pop up multiple times a day, I'd dive into Eureka 0:

Went out to spawn on Brynhild killed well over 100 of each mob and it didn't spawn. Waste of my damn time.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Went out to spawn on Brynhild killed well over 100 of each mob and it didn't spawn. Waste of my damn time.

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Well you have to check if its even available to spawn in the first place...

If you dont even want to put in the effort to spawn them, without doing research on HOW and WHEN they can spawn, you dont have much of a basis to complain when ultimately you're not the one trying to spawn them - If you were serious about it, you wouldnt just go out and kill 100 mobs because a random on the forums told you to - Talk to people in the hunt community and work with them to spawn them.

I honestly kind of wish the game rewarded people for actually being the ones to spawn a given hunt. As things currently stand, there's little reason to be actively involved in spawning the S ranks unless you find it entertaining (Which I do) or to ensure you don't miss out on it.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Went out to spawn on Brynhild killed well over 100 of each mob and it didn't spawn. Waste of my damn time.

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I tend to just wait until the S ranks with more tedious spawn conditions are maxed or almost maxed out on their timers to avoid such frustration.

I do think the spawn conditions/rates for certain hunts should be tweaked a bit, though, particularly the ones spawned by treasure maps. The amount of multi-layered RNG on those is a bit outrageous.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I'm trying to get the achievements.

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Did you look up the meaning of achievement?

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Went out to spawn on Brynhild killed well over 100 of each mob and it didn't spawn. Waste of my damn time.

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If you feel like you're wasting your time, don't do it. There's plenty of other content and plenty of other achievements to go after. Others who don't see it as a waste of their time will continue to spawn the S ranks.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I don't really understand how you conflate insanely long spawn timers to difficulty. That's not difficulty, it's just time gating.

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This argument is brought up for almost anything. Do we just hand everything that isn't a complex test of skill on a plate to everyone? It's ok for things to take time, patience and dedication.

(Edit: Ah, just noticed your tome weapon thread. Basically you do want everything time gated handed to you on a plate).

Join a few S rank linkshells and you'll have it soon enough.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Well you have to check if its even available to spawn in the first place...

If you dont even want to put in the effort to spawn them, without doing research on HOW and WHEN they can spawn, you dont have much of a basis to complain when ultimately you're not the one trying to spawn them - If you were serious about it, you wouldnt just go out and kill 100 mobs because a random on the forums told you to - Talk to people in the hunt community and work with them to spawn them.

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That's not what happened. I did the research, I put the effort in and I got screwed over. Then I went to sleep and when I woke up the mob was dead again. That's time I could have spent doing anything productive besides smack at the same two mobs over and over again to no avail.

That's because you didn't pray RNGesus enough. He don't care about the efforts made, like when you are the one carrying an entire raid and gets nothing at the end, while all the players who were dying again and again gets all the drops. Even with the respawn timer at 90%, you still have one chance out of ten to pop nothing. I have seen this with quite a few Ixtab (300 ronka mobs to kill).

That being said you did answer your question yourself by saying "if you want to keep them rare, fine". They wouldn't be rare anymore if they were spawning every hour to fit with your sleeping/school/work hours, do they ? XD

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

That's because you didn't pray RNGesus enough. He don't care about the efforts made, like when you are the one carrying an entire raid and gets nothing at the end, while all the players who were dying again and again gets all the drops. Even with the respawn timer at 90%, you still have one chance out of ten to pop nothing. I have seen this with quite a few Ixtab (300 ronka mobs to kill).

That being said you did answer your question yourself by saying "if you want to keep them rare, fine". They wouldn't be rare anymore if they were spawning every hour to fit with your sleeping/school/work hours, do they ? XD

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I think you need to go back and re-read what I wrote.

Pretty much every response here amounts to “but I got my tiger the long way so you should too.”

And I got Xanthos doing well over 100 synced Garuda runs, now someone can get it in 1 run solo. That’s how the game is. There’s nothing wrong with making things easier to let new players catch up. Especially when it’s not even difficulty based gating, it’s just about being online enough to be around when they spawn.

I feel like the tiny HP pools on ARR hunts are the biggest issue presently.

It takes less then two minutes for a level 80 DPS to solo kill one now, which makes some random player picking off something you spawned before you can even locate it a very realistic possibility.

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Pretty much every response here amounts to “but I got my tiger the long way so you should too.”

And I got Xanthos doing well over 100 synced Garuda runs, now someone can get it in 1 run solo. That’s how the game is. There’s nothing wrong with making things easier to let new players catch up. Especially when it’s not even difficulty based gating, it’s just about being online enough to be around when they spawn.

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SE already made it easier. They added world visit. Instead of being limited to just your world's S rank spawns, you can do them on every world in your data center.

Get in a cross world linkshell that relays S ranks and you can get those achievements fairly quick if you want them that badly.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I think you need to go back and re-read what I wrote.

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I did that even though i already did read you before, and i dont see how it makes what i said irrelevant. The english forums are becoming tiring to read these days, with all these low cost trolls of one line long.

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

Pretty much every response here amounts to “but I got my tiger the long way so you should too.”

And I got Xanthos doing well over 100 synced Garuda runs, now someone can get it in 1 run solo. That’s how the game is. There’s nothing wrong with making things easier to let new players catch up. Especially when it’s not even difficulty based gating, it’s just about being online enough to be around when they spawn.

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Hunts achievements are approximately 8 times easier to earn than they used to be.

I don't have the tiger btw yet I've been actively spawning Sranks since Storm blood.

Hunts should be buffed so they don't die in seconds, but they already spawn multiple times a day across data centers.

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

Pretty much every response here amounts to “but I got my tiger the long way so you should too.”

And I got Xanthos doing well over 100 synced Garuda runs, now someone can get it in 1 run solo. That’s how the game is. There’s nothing wrong with making things easier to let new players catch up. Especially when it’s not even difficulty based gating, it’s just about being online enough to be around when they spawn.

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I'm pretty sure these babbies don't give a crap if new players catch up or not.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I'm pretty sure these babbies don't give a crap if new players catch up or not.

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I'm fine with newer players trying to catch up.
But the system for hunts is still just fine the way it is, imo.

If you're simply after reducing time gated objectives (which is really seems like) you're simply playing the wrong game.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm fine with newer players trying to catch up.
But the system for hunts is still just fine the way it is, imo.

If you're simply after reducing time gated objectives (which is really seems like) you're simply playing the wrong game.

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Saying crap like that just proves me right.

when we are at this... I would like to have 'Hand of Mercy' for 10 assists in pvp and astrope for going 5 dungeons without mentor crown, because becoming a mentor is too much work anyway

and why dont we have ultimate weapons from retainer quick ventures

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Saying crap like that just proves me right.

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I don't see how.
Verbosity is important when trying to claim something like this.