Leaving to get kicked

So exactly as the title says, I see this a lot, healers and tanks getting into it, then one of them "disconnects" so that they get kicked to avoid the 30min penalty, is there anything to do to stop this obvious abuse of in-game systems to circumvent their punishment for refusing to finish a dungeon?

You can report them but otherwise, no. There is nothing else that can be done, unfortunately.

maybe if they add 15 minute penalty when you get kicked might help some.

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Originally Posted by Zedix

So exactly as the title says, I see this a lot, healers and tanks getting into it, then one of them "disconnects" so that they get kicked to avoid the 30min penalty, is there anything to do to stop this obvious abuse of in-game systems to circumvent their punishment for refusing to finish a dungeon?

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Honestly.. if they disconnect, wait a minute to see if they come back.. if they don't, just kick them and move on with your day. You don't need to find some way to stick it to them when you're still going to have to find someone new to fill the spot anyway.
Is it annoying? Sure, but people need to quit looking for ways to punish people for something that costs them at most 2min of inconvenience.

Well, technically you can report them.

However, there is no guarantee the player will be punished, as there almost no way to proof that they disconnected exactly because they wanted to being kicked and not because their internet suddenly died, which happens fairly more often than intentional disconnections.

In conclusion: kick them from the party and move on.

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Originally Posted by Zedix

So exactly as the title says, I see this a lot, healers and tanks getting into it, then one of them "disconnects" so that they get kicked to avoid the 30min penalty, is there anything to do to stop this obvious abuse of in-game systems to circumvent their punishment for refusing to finish a dungeon?

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If the group wants to be vindictive and the 3 of you are skilled enough, then you could 3 man the dungeon. If the healer is on point, every dungeon can be cleared without a tank. If the tank has enough sustain and the dps are good enough, then each dungeon can be done without a healer. If they come back you force them to either take the penalty(if they actually ask for a kick to avoid the penalty then its reportable), or to fake another disconnect. You can either do the whole dungeon with them held captive, or you can kick them just before the final boss so they for sure dont get credit for anything.

Or just, you know, kick them(potentially blacklist/report depending on exactly what happened over chat) replace them and move on with your day.

Not everyone has a stable internet connection. Before you judge others, perhaps consider how low income players are often subject to lag spikes, random disconnections often at the worst timings? Kicking people just because they disconnected is indirectly discriminating against low income, poor connection players.

There's load of reasons why someone would disconnect. Real life can suddenly get in the way.

That being said, sure there are people who DC just to get kicked and avoid the penalty. Just kick them and get on with your day. Might be annoying but it's no big deal, really.

Unless you are really in need of someone to finish the duty, just don't kick them because that is what they want and what they want is what they shouldn't have.

Many dungeons can be completed, though slowly, while down a tank or healer.
Just plug on, and when they get back, they'll realize they haven't saved any time.

There's no way to be certain that someone isn't legitimately having connection issues. And it's not like FF14 is known for using a reliable ISP.

Any sort of punishment attached to DCs will also hit people having issues outside of their control. In a competitive game mode it might be an unfortunate necessity but in something like dungeons? At least IMO, adding a punishment isn't worth running over innocents.

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Originally Posted by Zedix

So exactly as the title says, I see this a lot, healers and tanks getting into it, then one of them "disconnects" so that they get kicked to avoid the 30min penalty, is there anything to do to stop this obvious abuse of in-game systems to circumvent their punishment for refusing to finish a dungeon?

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Just kick them if they're asking to be kicked. What's the problem?

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Originally Posted by hynaku

maybe if they add 15 minute penalty when you get kicked might help some.

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Sure, so if two friends that queue together decide to be trolls and randomly kick someone for their amusement or to let a friend join at the end of the dungeon, the kicked player will also have to wait 15 additional minutes before they can use the DF again.

If you know for a fact that they are trying to get kicked. Try to convenience the party to continue without them. The dungeon will take longer but you will be wasting as much of their time as yours. I done this a few times and they almost always give up and rejoin the run

Boy you can practically report people for existing in this game. Just play the victim card in your report and you will achieve your percieved justice over a "very bad abuser" of whatever. Go for it, make the community even less inclined to communicate and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

Boy you can practically report people for existing in this game. Just play the victim card in your report and you will achieve your percieved justice over a "very bad abuser" of whatever. Go for it, make the community even less inclined to communicate and whatnot.

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What does this have to do with people not moving for the reason to get kicked?
You are defending the offenders here. I had this too, I was literally walking backwards (S-button) out of a dungeon without turning until the exit prompt came up and left. I really hated that one and turned off my PC and went to bed instead of trapping innocent people to wait for 5+ minutes for the kick itself and then for a healer replacement. How can you "communicate" with a person acting to be AFK anyways as he or she is most likely doing everything BUT moving and talking to fake AFK? Also, so far, I don't think playing the victim card does anything so far. I had people trying to report me, I reported people for equally low-level stuff (out of fear I might be one-sided and get a strike) but realized the GMs are actually "okay" to "cappable" in their decisions. They won't ban anyone for going AFK once. How do I know? I went AFK in 2015 for 4 dungeons straight. GM Karsul told me he watched me doing it even, so you can basically have "problems" for 5 dungeons straight until you get into trouble - a 24-hour suspension. (I tried suicide by GM becaus I had really low intentions to ever play this game again. That's why I behaved like a despicable douche. Then I realized FFXIV is actually what I enjoy, and then there came Red Mage...)

https://imgur.com/95ss7Mu.png

But you gotta draw the line somewhere, and even 4 times it's too much! So back then it was even a offender protection going on. I should've penalized wayyyy earlier. So really, no "victim cards" or "just existing in the game" gets you in trouble. It's misbehaviour like mine, and thankfully I understood how good this game is before I really wasted my account!

Similar to a common issue with fighting games; people intentionally disconnecting in a fight they're losing to avoid taking the loss. It's never been solved there and it won't be solved here; there's no way to tell if a disconnect is intentional or not.

I mean, this game could do something similar to what fighting games do and flag people who disconnect early a disproportionately large percent of the time, then give people the option to filter out these droppers when they queue.

Wow OP this is petty. The vote kick benefits everybody with difference in play style. Of course going afk is a douche move if its done intentionally which theres no way of knowing for sure. I don't see your point of further penalizing them because you don't want kick. I mean you are holding someone else who could take there spot that wants to the dungeon.

Not kicking for the purpose of slowing a dungeon run down because said offender is afk is ridiculous. On top of that you assume its because of arguing over job stuff. Tank not tanking or healer just dpsing etc...

I have been in this situation before as healer and the tank went afk we continued until the time allotted to kick came up and votekicked and got new tank within 5 minutes and went to clear dungeon.

By your suggestion we should ve not kicked taken much longer to clear dungeon and face possible wipes with no tank. That in itself is a penalty to me.

Use votekick that s what it is there for.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

Honestly.. if they disconnect, wait a minute to see if they come back.. if they don't, just kick them and move on with your day. You don't need to find some way to stick it to them when you're still going to have to find someone new to fill the spot anyway.
Is it annoying? Sure, but people need to quit looking for ways to punish people for something that costs them at most 2min of inconvenience.

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Isn't there a 5 minute kick limit at the start of a dungeon? When 3 people have to wait that much it costs a total of 15 minutes of their time. There is no excuse to do that.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Isn't there a 5 minute kick limit at the start of a dungeon? When 3 people have to wait that much it costs a total of 15 minutes of their time. There is no excuse to do that.

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That's not what happens in practice. If someone disconnects purposefully in order to get kicked, it's probably because something isn't going well and he/she wants to run the duty with a different party. Those 5 minutes would've already passed at that point.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

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I was referring to OPs cry for punishment here. Just report away at literally anything and the GMs will come and swing around that good 'ol hammer of ban gladly.

So there is a solution for people like him that get tilted at such things; just have everyone be miserable by cosplaying as Randall Weems and snitching left and right.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/cf2cdc6f...u96wo4_250.png

Woah, you can do that and it's an option. Never thought of that, thanks OP.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

Just report away at literally anything and the GMs will come and swing around that good 'ol hammer of ban gladly.

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What proof do you have of this? The image MrKusakabe posted would imply the opposite.

Can't believe people are actually advocating for giving the people who do this what they want. Yes, let's just encourage behavior that exploits the game and wastes everyone's time, surely that will reduce how much this happens!

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Originally Posted by linay

What proof do you have of this? The image MrKusakabe posted would imply the opposite.

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The fact that he stated it happened in 2015 does not help your argument. Have you read the recent ToS overhaul which basically reads "any interaction with other players can and will be held against you"?

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Originally Posted by WrenElessedil

Can't believe people are actually advocating for giving the people who do this what they want. Yes, let's just encourage behavior that exploits the game and wastes everyone's time, surely that will reduce how much this happens!

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Is it more important to stick it to someone and waste your own time, or just get rid of them and get on with it?

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Originally Posted by WrenElessedil

Can't believe people are actually advocating for giving the people who do this what they want. Yes, let's just encourage behavior that exploits the game and wastes everyone's time, surely that will reduce how much this happens!

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Yeah. Odd considering how frowned upon it is to waste the group's time in other ways, such as doing abysmal dps.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Is it more important to stick it to someone and waste your own time, or just get rid of them and get on with it?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Yeah. Odd considering how frowned upon it is to waste the group's time in other ways, such as doing abysmal dps.

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If you stop kicking them they will stop using this trick to avoid the penalty timer and they will stop wasting your time in the long run.

Or they'll keep doing it to get a cheap laugh knowing they've wasted an entire party's time.

I don't really care what the person doing the DCing wants. I'm kicking them to save my own time.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

The fact that he stated it happened in 2015 does not help your argument. Have you read the recent ToS overhaul which basically reads "any interaction with other players can and will be held against you"?

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The fact that it was in 2015 is irrelevant as the current TOS still does not support your claim as to the gladness of the GMs to issue bans for literally anything. There would be no need for a TOS if literally anything can (and will, due to eager GMs) result in a ban.

yall: im gonna clear this dungeon and not kick the afker to teach him a lesson

the afker, probably watching youtube videos at that point: oh sweet free exp

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Originally Posted by QooEr

yall: im gonna clear this dungeon and not kick the afker to teach him a lesson

the afker, probably watching youtube videos at that point: oh sweet free exp

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This is about offline people, not afk. You can already report players for refusing to play. I've done it a couple of times and those players quickly decided they weren't too busy to play after all.