Has anyone tanked long fights as paladin since 1.21a? Any MP issues? How about hate now with spirits within? The buff to blocks with Devine veil really noticeable?
Thanks for your input!
Paladin buffs
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03-28-2012, 02:19 PMwaldoPaladin buffs
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03-28-2012, 03:50 PMdarkstarpoet1we only used it a few times tonight, but it didn't take long and our tank went back to war quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by waldo
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03-28-2012, 03:55 PMleomike35
Divine Veil helps with dmg mitigation but the mp issues are still apparent. However bard makes that better. Some may still prefer war but paladin keeps hate a lot better. Now if we could only get SE to replenish mp by as much as aegis gives back hp and paladin would be a survivor and self sufficient. Divine Veil is very nice though. :)
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03-28-2012, 04:28 PMAion
WAR can utilize his HP to sustain high damaging moves (and recover his hp + additional damage using WS), but what PLD can use?? that is what bothers me most.
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03-28-2012, 05:16 PMAlerith
You can stack Divine Veil and Outmaneuver for some self-MP recovery. Also, Ethers are your friend. Divine Veil also allows for Phalanx spam and the Spirit's Within combo is a great addition to enmity. Good update for PLD overall.
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03-28-2012, 05:31 PMJunpei
Paladin I think is fine now, the issue is the damage output from WAR.
It can tank as well as PLD but WAR shortens fights and holds hate real nicely through damage enmity. There's no reason to take a Paladin to Chimera (example) when a WAR is a safer choice incase you get by a magic breath attack due to the higher HP and it can almost top the dps parse x_x
Paladin needs enough damage mitigation that you can drop a white mage and bring an extra dedicated DPS to balance them out! -
03-28-2012, 05:40 PMIssachar
What I've learned about the new PLD:
1: Divine Veil + Outmaneuver = yum MP/TP. Divine Veil forces partial guarding, so you get Outy's perks for free.
2: Divine Veil + TP = Phalanx spam = damage. While not alot, significantly more than meleeing.
3: Divine Veil = no physical pushbacks. Tested on Buata, didn't budge an inch.
4: Enmity from Spirits Within = somewhat insignificant. Not entirely stoked about using it as a dealmaker.
5: AF = still garbage.
6: HP = same. WAR's better for one versus many/brickhouse-slamming mobs.
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03-28-2012, 05:48 PMHalvaard_VidanOr bring PLD/Gld up from the low end of the DPS pool at the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junpei
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03-28-2012, 05:56 PMAionSW damage is not bad,isnt it? I think it is a bit below Goring Blade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Issachar
Thing is you going to be very busy if you wanna full utilizing PLD...like the the buttons smash gif on other thread,lol -
03-28-2012, 07:26 PMAlerith
A good PLD is a busy PLD.
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03-28-2012, 08:21 PMTirionCreyA busy paladin is a dead paladin aka Animation Lock :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
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03-28-2012, 08:33 PMAlerithBesides Khimera, when does animation lock ever result in potential death for a PLD? Not even on Ifrit is this the case since you're usually not in a position to be plumed or erupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by TirionCrey
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03-28-2012, 08:35 PMStanislawCoincounter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
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03-28-2012, 08:36 PMAlerithTouche.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
But it's still manageable. It's not like Spirit's Within has the animation length of Chaos Thrust. -
03-28-2012, 08:37 PMStanislawI agree it's still manageable, especially with Divine Veil now, but your question was 'potential' death, so. =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
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03-28-2012, 08:43 PMJinkoOne of our paladins tanked coincounter yesterday and didn't even have to run out from 100 tons, I think the buffs are pretty good could do with another skill to block though and they would be the complete meat shield.Quote:
Originally Posted by waldo
MRD/WAR is broken, they need to be nerfed, stances would do, Berserk and Defender. (shouldn't be allowed to change stances during combat)
I don't think that's the solution, PLD shouldn't be a DPS class, what needs to happen is WAR needs less DPS whilst in a defensive stance/role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvaard_Vidan
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03-28-2012, 10:10 PMJunpeiYeah the War defensive stance increasing his attack speed is ass backwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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03-28-2012, 10:30 PMTirionCreyAnd how is he able to just straight tank now, beside the 20seconds of Divine Veil blocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
This is a serious question btw, I haven't tanked since patch, due to work and timezone, so what has actually changed for PLD outside of those 20sec blocks? -
03-28-2012, 10:53 PMAlerithEnmity and damage from Spirit's Within I think is the only other notable thing. While Spirit's Within didn't get a direct damage increase, you don't have to combo it now for good damage, just high enough health. And it has an accuracy bit attached to it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TirionCrey
I understand that doesn't help with damage taken, but it can certainly help with the enmity bit. -
03-28-2012, 11:00 PMJinkoAegis Boon & Divine Veil I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by TirionCrey
No idea, I was the healer and was just watching, all I noticed is that on 100 tons he was taking 0 damage, it was probably just luck that coin didn't spam 100 tons, otherwise he would have been forced to run out.