Hello! I'm a returning player and it's been almost two years since I've played this game, but got into it again recently when I made a new friend who's super into it, and now I've been playing again.
I decided to leave my old character behind on the server she was from (the whole thing was just a mess) and start fresh. Only thing is I am broke and rather than earn my money the old fashioned way, I wanted to see if I could offer my artistic skills!
I've done this on other games before, as they had no issues with it so long as real currency was not involved, but what is SE's stance on it? Those games even had specific forums where the advertisement of offering artistic services was allowed, and I don't see any here. My search didn't really turn up anything, so I figured I would just ask here and see what the rules on that are (:
Thank you so much!
Is Doing Art Commissions for Gil Allowed?
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12-11-2019, 11:47 PMRabbtitIs Doing Art Commissions for Gil Allowed?
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12-12-2019, 12:15 AMMOZZYSTAR
I'm pretty sure I've seen a thread asking the same question a while back and that the verdict was no because it could give gil an IRL value (e.g. you usually sell commissions for $30, but in game you sell them for 3mil or something like that), but I could be mistaken. Maybe someone else will drop by with a more definitive answer. (But if it is allowed, I'd totally love to do FF commissions for gil, too. xD )
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12-12-2019, 12:15 AMJWag12787
My understanding is that you cannot use Real currency for in-game transactions. But I honestly don't see anything wrong w/ using Gil for Real Life transactions, as it doesn't negatively affect the gameplay, market, or otherwise affect the game, so that's a good question!
Honestly, if you did do this, I'd probably support your GIL commissions as well! So, hopefully someone can shed more light on the policy? -
12-12-2019, 12:18 AMRabbtitMmhm, I did some more looking and I can't really find a definite answer... it's a bit confusing ): It stinks when game devs have to give vague answers, but at the same time it makes sense because they ca't be liable for it, y'know?Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR
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D'aww, thank you for your input :,3 I hope the final answer works in my favor, I'd be so happy. Tbh, I am just trying to earn enough for a pet namazu because I had that on my old character and we had so many happy memories together... *sniff* xD -
12-12-2019, 12:23 AMJWag12787Quote:
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Mew. Just realized you weren't even my datacenter, so even if it were allowed </3 :( -
12-12-2019, 12:30 AMPalibun
I dont think the ToS says anything about it, but i'd double check. I personally see no problem with it, and i think people would happily commision you. If i were a better artist i'd think about it myself, far better than crafting for sure X) If worst comes to worst you'd *probably* just get a warning if SE doesn't want you to do it, especially if you looked in the ToS and forums for an answer. Im not sure how heavy SE is with the ban hammer.
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12-12-2019, 12:34 AMLalaRu
Afaik the policies are made with the scope of forbid any real money payment for in game benefits outside the SE store. That is, only SE have the right to monetize on its products.
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12-12-2019, 12:41 AMRabbtitOh no!!! It's okay, I appreciate the sentiment regardless ♥ So close, yet so far apart... *reaches out my hand*Quote:
Originally Posted by JWag12787
Thank you so much! Yeah, I know some games are worse with handing out bans like christmas presents than others! xD On gaia online, I've earned *trillions* by making art, hehe... same with Tera online back when I used to play, I was too lazy to play the actual game but had no problem spending hours on a single piece of art, LOL xD Thank you for your input!Quote:
Originally Posted by Palibun
Oh yes, not looking for any real payment whatsoever. Thank you for your input!Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
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12-12-2019, 12:49 AMtdb
Note: this is my personal opinion, not SE's official stance.
In this specific case I don't see a problem with it since each commission is unique and their value substantially comes from the work you put into them. However I wouldn't say that any transaction is okay as long as real money is not involved. If you were to obtain mass-produced items using real money and proceeded to sell them to other players for gil, you would be effectively buying gil with real money even though they don't appear in the same transaction. This could be further extended into a scheme where a gold farmer sells you some sort of out-of-game tokens for real money and then buys said tokens back using gil. I would expect game developers to be very careful about issuing official blanket statements about mixed transactions for this reason. -
12-12-2019, 12:51 AMSenorPatty
I don't think it's been said yet so I'll ask: have you tried filing a support ticket? At least you might get a direct answer.
EDIT: I would suggest writing "Need ToS help" in the title/subject line/header just to make sure it grabs their attention. -
12-12-2019, 01:19 AMKinetic-duet
Sadly... :( ('cause that sounds like fun...)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-for-Gil/page3 -
12-12-2019, 01:39 AMRabbtitOh! I didn't even think of that. Figured they wouldn't respond, but I will totally give this a shot. Thank you (:Quote:
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12-12-2019, 01:55 AMViduQuote:
Originally Posted by Kinetic-duet
So people dont have to scroll through that thread to find the official answer, which is: No. Not allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkrateia
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12-12-2019, 03:06 AMMOZZYSTAR
Man, that's too bad! But thank you for that link Kinetic-duet, and the quote Vidu.
You would think, since these sorts of threads pop up enough, that they would clarify it in the ToS itself by now. Been around for like... 6 years you know? -
12-12-2019, 03:38 AMLalaRu
Oh, well. If I donate you some Gil for help your character FIRST, nobody stops you to say thank you to me with a piece of your art THEN.
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12-12-2019, 03:51 AMEnla
It's not allowed as others have pointed out, there was a big kerfuffle on the art side of the fandom when that was clarified as well back when gil was harder to make. I'd also warn people that if they try to get around it be careful of what they say in game and who they try to jump through hoops for. Most artist friends I have will do it but only for good friends and will never discuss the actual transaction in game given the risk of being reported.
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12-12-2019, 04:10 AMAverax
Pretty sure it's fine. As long as you're not paying actual money for gil.
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12-12-2019, 02:05 PMVnolan
Not allowed under the ToS, but if you make no mention of specifics in the game SE won't do anything.
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12-12-2019, 02:39 PMBarraindThe way this is worded is borderline useless, given that you can attribute literally everything, in-game or out, to 'the results of the application of skills'.Quote:
your skills and the results of their application are considered something of real world value
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12-12-2019, 02:48 PMRabbtitawww :( thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidu
yeah, true that ;_; it's probably a liability thing, or something they'll turn their heads to but probably if it's brought to their attention they'll HAVE to take action. The risk for being scammed (likely the customer) are far too great.Quote:
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Mmmhm, I see, gotcha. I don't think I'll do it at all then. Big risk, not worth it. Guess I'll just make my gil the only way a Miqo'te can... *cries* xD -
12-12-2019, 02:50 PMRabbtitHaha, well said xDQuote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
Well, if my IRL friends were to ever donate gil to a struggling newbie, me being the 'I don't accept free handouts from anyone' person that I am would likely draw up their characters. Joke on them, I was planning on drawing us all together anyways >:D I hope they'll like it lawl xD