Please let us apply glamour plates outside cities

I have made some glamour plates for heat, snow, rain etc. for a little more fun and immersive gaming experience when I'm out in the world. Problem is I'm not allowed to apply them when I need them, without first going into a city and then travel back to wherever I was. Which is quite bothersome.

Can't we be allowed to apply glamour plates outside the cities as well?
Pretty please with a Rolanberry on the top!

Unfortunately this is probably not going to happen for some time due to server limitations. They want to but they have to get around some large internal issues to make it work.

Seems dumb you can't because you can glamour any items as long as your not in combat using glamour prism's so what's the difference ?. I don't see what's keeping them from doing it.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I don't see what's keeping them from doing it.

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Spaghetti code.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

Unfortunately this is probably not going to happen for some time due to server limitations. They want to but they have to get around some large internal issues to make it work.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

Spaghetti code.

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If there's a will there's a way, I believe in them! :o

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This is why I always keep 999 glamour prism's on my character. So can apply glamour's anytime I want and not need to be in city to apply them.

Whatever's going on with the system, it's not just that we can't *apply* plates - we can't view them either.

I would guess that they don't actually carry that data with you in field zones.

My workaround has been to carry those "situational" outfits as real gear rather than applying plates at the time. You can apply the glamour to other gear before you leave town, or just carry the glamour items directly.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Seems dumb you can't because you can glamour any items as long as your not in combat using glamour prism's so what's the difference ?. I don't see what's keeping them from doing it.

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S-E has already said more than once they applying glamour plates outside of cities would cause database and server problems. So, wanting a smoother experience for everyone else is "dumb"?

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

Spaghetti code.

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This pretty much, the game is still using code from 1.0 and is overall holding the game back.

When you get much better gear in a dungeon but it ruins your style.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

S-E has already said more than once they applying glamour plates outside of cities would cause database and server problems. So, wanting a smoother experience for everyone else is "dumb"?

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My initial reaction to finding out I couldn't view or change glamour plates outside a city was similar to OP's. Not knowing the why behind it is a valid reason for saying "that's dumb" to a restriction that doesn't make sense. You have to keep in mind that not everyone stays up to date with what SE says. I highly doubt hynaku is saying stable servers is dumb. Next time, instead of attempting a subtle insult that just backfires on you, use some critical thinking.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

When you get much better gear in a dungeon but it ruins your style.

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I have dinged in a dungeon and refused to update my gear until the run is through and I can get to a city. Can't level efficiently if you don't look fabulous doing it.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

Spaghetti code.

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Even in death, 1.0 haunts us.

Back before 5.0 launched, at the fanfests, they asked people what was the most important part to update. Number of plates, number of slots, or where they can be applied.

The majority wanted number of slots, followed by number of plates, and last was where you can apply. They gave us more plates, and double the slots in 5.0. I would think they are working on the last bit as well. You know they know it's a requested feature.

I don't k ow why people think the devs intentionally leave features out. They work on them as they can and tend to add them in in batches. We'll likely get updates to the glamour dresser throughout the expansion.

The issue is probably that the game right now can't handle keeping all of our glamour chest data around in every zone. It's ok in a city since the dresser can be tied to that one zone for access, but once you zone out the connection is lost.

Wether is be ps4 or 1.0 code limitations we will never know, but I think it needs to change. However it's one incentive to keep coming back to town. I know I've went back to town just to change glamours and ended up messing around with retainers since I was there, but other than that, it needs to be changed.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

S-E has already said more than once they applying glamour plates outside of cities would cause database and server problems. So, wanting a smoother experience for everyone else is "dumb"?

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Your response is dumb. So how is it different applying glamour plates than using glamour prism's and placing glamour old way on gear. It should be the exact same. So wouldn't using glamour prism's outside a city cause game not to run smoothly?. I have yet to see them cause me to loose fps or game not run smooth when using them to glamour gear. I carry on me at least 20 sets of full glamour all the time. I only use it to store gear to free up space for my retainers for crafting mats since seems worthless to me since only can use it in main cities.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Your response is dumb. So how is it different applying glamour plates than using glamour prism's and placing glamour old way on gear. It should be the exact same. So wouldn't using glamour prism's outside a city cause game not to run smoothly?. I have yet to see them cause me to loose fps or game not run smooth when using them to glamour gear. I carry on me at least 20 sets of full glamour all the time.

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Because glamour prisms are attaching an item in your inventory to an item in your inventory.

Glamour plates are attaching items held in storage to items in your inventory.

It would be like glamouring an item from your retainer to you while in an instance.


What you think is simple may not be. You simply see the top of the coding, applying appearance to an item, as being the same. Its not. Not at all.

This is a lot like people thinking "Facebook/YouTube/Twitter/other sites that have local instances everywhere/other games no where near where SE servers are located works fine, so it must be the servers" when internet issues happen with the game.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because glamour prisms are attaching an item in your inventory to an item in your inventory.

Glamour plates are attaching items held in storage to items in your inventory.

It would be like glamouring an item from your retainer to you while in an instance.


What you think is simple may not be. You simply see the top of the coding, applying appearance to an item, as being the same. Its not. Not at all.

This is a lot like people thinking "Facebook works fine, so it must be the servers" when internet issues happen with the game.

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This is why don't use it for glamour its a worthless system and only is good for storing gear. Lets say you get better gear in dungeon and want place same glamour on it but guess what you can't because glamour plates only work in major city. So better to just keep glamour's you use stored with your gear and keep lots and lots of glamour prism's in your item bag.

Probably some "master" glamour chest that stores everything from the linked glamour chests on each server and limiting the access to this to Inn Rooms in order to reduce server load. I think what they could do is expand the types of areas you can access your plates. Right now it's cities, so what about any place that is a sanctuary?

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Originally Posted by hynaku

This is why don't use it for glamour its a worthless system and only is good for storing gear. Lets say you get better gear in dungeon and want place same glamour on it but guess what you can't because glamour plates only work in major city. So better to just keep glamour's you use stored with your gear and keep lots and lots of glamour prism's in your item bag.

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That's up to you, personally I'd rather have the better gear equipped. Can fix the glamor later.

In not saying I don't want the glamour system to improve, it's just not as easy as people like to say it is.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Back before 5.0 launched, at the fanfests, they asked people what was the most important part to update. Number of plates, number of slots, or where they can be applied.

The majority wanted number of slots, followed by number of plates, and last was where you can apply. They gave us more plates, and double the slots in 5.0. I would think they are working on the last bit as well. You know they know it's a requested feature.

I don't k ow why people think the devs intentionally leave features out. They work on them as they can and tend to add them in in batches. We'll likely get updates to the glamour dresser throughout the expansion.

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I don't think it's up to the devs usually. They likely have a set budget and priorities. Naturally, those come first, followed by what they can spare. I also think that some requests aren't communicated to the dev team properly, so when something does get released that people have requested, it is almost never what people asked for. It is also more often than not overcomplicated. Yoshi P has also said on multiple occasions that they are severely understaffed. That shows a lot, especially as the game gets older. So sure, throwing money at a problem probably won't fix it, as they have said. But throwing money at more people would potentially help a great deal, even if it means giving some of them training. I'm not the CEO of a big name company so...I'm sure it's never that simple. But I'd like to think it is sometimes.

YESSS PLEASE!!!!:D:o:):cool:

I guess I'm old fashioned. I just stock up on glamour prisms and make sure to keep my armoury chest relatively clean of junk that I don't need.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I guess I'm old fashioned. I just stock up on glamour prisms and make sure to keep my armory chest relatively clean of junk that I don't need.

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I do the same for the most part. I really, really dislike the glamour plate system in this game. It's just clunky and unpolished :( I had given it a shot with my DNC and MCH jobs, but gave up after I'd end up with half-glams due to changing outside of towns, and also not being able to update styles on the fly.

XI has a somewhat similar glamour system, in that you design an outfit and save it for future use. But you can also design, edit & apply outfits anywhere in the game, you can save up to 100 outfits, doesn't use any sort of crystal/currency to swap apply or remove, can be used at level 1, and you can use any gear to create an outfit (as long as you can equip it on the main job normally). It's a lot of fun, and so easy to use. I dream of the day they make XIV's glam system closer to XI.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I guess I'm old fashioned. I just stock up on glamour prisms and make sure to keep my armory chest relatively clean of junk that I don't need.

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I used to do the same, but in the end I gave in because I ahve too many looks and they don't fit the armory chest, and the ones on retainers I even forget about.

But i also hate the plates, they're so limited.

I wish we had a system like Rift where by getting an armor piece you just unlock the apparance and can change the appearance of every piece whenever, without having to hold any piece or anything.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I do the same for the most part. I really, really dislike the glamour plate system in this game. It's just clunky and unpolished :( I had given it a shot with my DNC and MCH jobs, but gave up after I'd end up with half-glams due to changing outside of towns, and also not being able to update styles on the fly.

XI has a somewhat similar glamour system, in that you design an outfit and save it for future use. But you can also design, edit & apply outfits anywhere in the game, you can save up to 100 outfits, doesn't use any sort of crystal/currency to swap apply or remove, can be used at level 1, and you can use any gear to create an outfit (as long as you can equip it on the main job normally). It's a lot of fun, and so easy to use. I dream of the day they make XIV's glam system closer to XI.

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Wow, it seems crazy that they went backwards on that!

I'd like to point out that /lockstyle in FFXI is one of those things that was implemented many years after the game's heyday. It would have been very nice to have in the 75 era, because BiS mixtures could make you look stupid for years (remember it is a horizontal progression game, unlike FFXIV's vertical). Where as, we've always been able to glam our gear in FFXIV(though the plates are still fairly 'new').

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

I'd like to point out that /lockstyle in FFXI is one of those things that was implemented many years after the game's heyday. It would have been very nice to have in the 75 era, because BiS mixtures could make you look stupid for years (remember it is a horizontal progression game, unlike FFXIV's vertical). Where as, we've always been able to glam our gear in FFXIV(though the plates are still fairly 'new').

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lol, this was painful indeed. MNK was my first job to 75 and so I spent far too long running around in subligar, although now I love 'em. Bit of Stockhom Syndrome I think. D:

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

I'd like to point out that /lockstyle in FFXI is one of those things that was implemented many years after the game's heyday. It would have been very nice to have in the 75 era, because BiS mixtures could make you look stupid for years (remember it is a horizontal progression game, unlike FFXIV's vertical). Where as, we've always been able to glam our gear in FFXIV(though the plates are still fairly 'new').

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Not entirely true. Glamour wasn't added until 2.2 or 2.3 iirc. It definitely wasn't in at launch.

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Originally Posted by CazzT

My initial reaction to finding out I couldn't view or change glamour plates outside a city was similar to OP's. Not knowing the why behind it is a valid reason for saying "that's dumb" to a restriction that doesn't make sense. You have to keep in mind that not everyone stays up to date with what SE says. I highly doubt hynaku is saying stable servers is dumb. Next time, instead of attempting a subtle insult that just backfires on you, use some critical thinking.

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It backfired? It really didn't, nor was it a subtle insult. Also, ignorance is not an excuse in-game or anywhere else in life. Before you make a comment, the burden is on you is to research, lest you get called out for ridiculous comments.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Your response is dumb. So how is it different applying glamour plates than using glamour prism's and placing glamour old way on gear. It should be the exact same. So wouldn't using glamour prism's outside a city cause game not to run smoothly?. I have yet to see them cause me to loose fps or game not run smooth when using them to glamour gear. I carry on me at least 20 sets of full glamour all the time. I only use it to store gear to free up space for my retainers for crafting mats since seems worthless to me since only can use it in main cities.

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A comment that is researched and backed by facts is dumb? Please, stop embarrassing yourself. Just do a little research on the topic before you comment on it, and you won't look so ignorant in the future.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Not entirely true. Glamour wasn't added until 2.2 or 2.3 iirc. It definitely wasn't in at launch.

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Yeah, I remember how mismatched my Bard was with CT top and some purple shorts but I could do nothing about it. And so on.

Really hope they can figure out a way to do this soon. For now the whole system is mostly just a fairly inconvenient extra storage box for me. Easier to just use glamour prisms and keep a few sets on me...

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Originally Posted by hynaku

So how is it different applying glamour plates than using glamour prism's and placing glamour old way on gear. It should be the exact same. So wouldn't using glamour prism's outside a city cause game not to run smoothly?

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There are two possible core differences.

One is that being able to apply plates would require the plate data to be loaded and carried with you in the field - which it currently doesn't seem to do at all.

The other is that there might be some underlying issue with processing that many "apply glamour" instructions within such a short time, that has more of an issue in the field than in towns. I also read somewhere that there may have been an issue in the small-but-not-impossible scenario that an enemy killed you while it was running the 'macro' to apply all the glamours from the plate - so the system would receive something like "apply glamour A - apply glamour B - player has died - apply glamour C".

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Originally Posted by hynaku

This is why don't use it for glamour its a worthless system and only is good for storing gear. Lets say you get better gear in dungeon and want place same glamour on it but guess what you can't because glamour plates only work in major city. So better to just keep glamour's you use stored with your gear and keep lots and lots of glamour prism's in your item bag.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I guess I'm old fashioned. I just stock up on glamour prisms and make sure to keep my armory chest relatively clean of junk that I don't need.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I do the same for the most part. I really, really dislike the glamour plate system in this game. It's just clunky and unpolished :( I had given it a shot with my DNC and MCH jobs, but gave up after I'd end up with half-glams due to changing outside of towns, and also not being able to update styles on the fly.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Really hope they can figure out a way to do this soon. For now the whole system is mostly just a fairly inconvenient extra storage box for me. Easier to just use glamour prisms and keep a few sets on me...

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I really don't understand how you guys are using glamours if the plate system has no perceptible benefits to you. I was sold on it within seconds of trying it out, and seeing how easily I could restore newly-equipped gear to the appearance I wanted.

It seems like the theme of complaints is "the current plate system doesn't do everything an ideal system would do, therefore it has no value at all".

It's true you can't switch between two different jobs out in the field and have them take on individual appearances, but you can't do that with prisms either (unless you want to manually reglamour every time, which I doubt). The same restriction applies whether you use plates or prisms to apply your glamours.

It's true you can't instantly glamour a gear piece you picked up in a dungeon, but can with a prism - but would you really stand there and apply a glamour with a prism so you can equip it? Are your party members going to care more about your +1 stats, your appearance or the time they have to wait for you?

Plates let you store your favourite/currently-used designs and reapply them infinitely. The only possible downside is having to put the item in the dresser to apply it to the plate - and you can take it straight out again once you've done that. If you really want to, you can carry your glamour-appearance items with you for the occasions where you need to apply them out in the field, in addition to having the image stored on a plate.

You can only use them in cities, but while you're in a city they are far more efficient than applying individual prisms. You can even have multiple glamours for the same job, and switch back and forth on a whim - something you'd (or certainly I'd) never bother doing with prisms.

It also makes jewellery seem worthwhile glamouring. It never felt like an efficient use of time or prisms to do it manually for every new piece, but it's wonderful to have them on plates.

TL;DR: It doesn't do everything you want it to do, but where are the downsides to what it currently does? It gives a method of applying glamours that isn't as convenient as it could be, but is still faster and more convenient than solely using prisms.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

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I never said the system had no perceptible benefits to me. I said it's mostly inconvenient extra storage to me, which it is. I have to go to an inn room to use the glamour dresser (which I'd have little to no reason at all to do otherwise), which is the inconvenient part since I have to stop basically everything else to go fix the plates (unless I've completely missed something somewhere).

Most often I'm changing glamours on the fly as soon as I get new gear, which means a system that requires me to go back to a city to use it a lot less... useful. For that purpose. When I'm building a new glamour from scratch, yeah okay I'll be sitting in the city anyway, though honestly having to hop between like three different storage locations (retainer, glamour dresser, mb if I'm missing something...) is pretty darn inconvenient too. That's a separate annoyance though. :P

I use the plates, yeah. But mostly just to quickly clear off that ugly leveling gear look and then worry about my actual glamour later. The way the dresser works now just doesn't match up with my playstyle - I change sets and looks too often for a system that only allows a small handful of looks that you can only edit from one place to be especially valuable to me. If I could edit and apply plates elsewhere, though, it would be awesome. Even one of the two would be great.

Until then, prisms are easier and more convenient for me personally, and the biggest plus of the system so far is the storage space and the quick "WHOA my crafter's gear is ugly" fix.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

TL;DR: It doesn't do everything you want it to do, but where are the downsides to what it currently does? It gives a method of applying glamours that isn't as convenient as it could be, but is still faster and more convenient than solely using prisms.

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No, it's not more convenient. The only convenience is that it stores stuff. But it only has a bunch of plates, and you have to use plates. I don't like using premade outfits, I like to mix and match single pieces every time differently. With prisms you can do that. Also, plates are so very few that you can't even do one plate per class, let alone having many looks per class like I like to do.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

S-E has already said more than once they applying glamour plates outside of cities would cause database and server problems. So, wanting a smoother experience for everyone else is "dumb"?

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I'm surprised we can press forward with out causing server problems. Most companies would spend time fixing these server limitations rather than making excuses.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I really don't understand how you guys are using glamours if the plate system has no perceptible benefits to you.

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I don't hoard enough glamour items for storage space to be an issue. I only really play one combat job, after all. My armoury chest is squeaky clean. Plus I'm not really creative when it comes to glamours, so I tend to re-use appearences between classes.

From what I heard, the plate system uses less glamour prisms for re-use. But I have thousands of glamour prisms anyway, so why should I care?

Also, I never criticized the plate system. I simply stated that I am old-fashioned. Like, I don't own a cell phone IRL, but I don't criticize people that do.

In a similar vein, craftable personal housing glam toilet when?