My one request for The Firmament

When it is done, there had better be a memorial / statue / shrine / whatever for them.

You know who.

Edit - By "them" I mean that as the plural, for the record.

She deserves it just as much.

No, thank you.

It'll probably happen for the fan service factor alone, but the death of the character in question has been milked enough at this point. Nor is he deserving of special treatment when there's so many other regular Ishgardians who laid down their lives for Ishgard's sake. They're far more important in the grand scheme of things.

I'd prefer to see a generic memorial devoted to the fallen.

I think most just care that housing should be there.

Only housing..

Don't forget that a certain lady also exists who played a major part in WoL learning the truth about the Dragonsong War and ultimately in peace.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

When it is done, there had better be a memorial / statue / shrine / whatever for them.

You know who.

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Given the fact that Francel is in charge of the reconstruction and reveres our mutual friend just as much, there is actually precedent for this to happen.I

The playerbase has been given many chances to champion our good friend, but having an actual monument for the people of Ishgard would be highly appreciated. This was a man with no true last name, but sacrificed all for his nation. I can think of no greater honor, and none who deserve it more. Truly a shining example of the struggles of Ishgard, even if they can only be recognized posthumously.

... dumb question. Just like with Shirogane, people can enter the Firmament (if we assume it becomes a Housing Ward) way before Heavensward MSQ. Wouldn't that statue be a spoiler for those yet oblivious?

I legit thought this was about a memorial for the guy who's always hanging from construction somewhere, until I read the comments.

As for the other guy - I think there's probably enough shrines in player housing already...

I think an actual statue would be a bit too... gaudy...

Much like Lavender Beds has something like "Senna's Pride" as a marker on the map, I do expect some areas to be named in honour of Heavensward characters, though.

I support this idea.

I too would like a statue for Ysayle.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I too would like a statue for Ysayle.

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To be fair, when I said "them" I meant it as a plural.

I would like to see something for both of them.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Given the fact that Francel is in charge of the reconstruction and reveres our mutual friend just as much, there is actually precedent for this to happen.I

The playerbase has been given many chances to champion our good friend, but having an actual monument for the people of Ishgard would be highly appreciated. This was a man with no true last name, but sacrificed all for his nation. I can think of no greater honor, and none who deserve it more. Truly a shining example of the struggles of Ishgard, even if they can only be recognized posthumously.

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Plenty of other Ishgardians sacrificed everything for their nation.

Haurchefant shouldn't be placed above them just because he was a friend of the Warrior of Light and Francel. He already has a grave/monument present in the game world that can be visited.

He only died in the first place due to Aymeric's stupid decision to run off on his own, which is conveniently ignored to grant the protagonists plot armour against any meaningful and lasting criticism. The only Ishgardians who should be honoured with a statue are those who laid down their lives for the sake of a lie and who received very little fanfare for their sacrifice. That'd go a long way towards helping the nation heal rather than having it fawn over one of the most overrated characters to ever exist in a Final Fantasy title.

Agreed with the above.

But Hades already has statues in his honor in Garlemald. Does he really need another in Ishgard?

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

To be fair, when I said "them" I meant it as a plural.

I would like to see something for both of them.

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Oh sorry I only want a statue for Our Boy.

I love Our Boy almost more than the next person, but even I think it'd cheapen his overall impact if he got another memorial. A general memorial to the fallen would be nice, and possibly a larger, more ornate version of the Hresvelgr and Shiva statue to commemorate the peace? Or even making that a furnishing for our own housing.

We've been given a lot of ways for the WoL to show their grief, mourning, and eventual acceptance of losing Haurchefant. Francel, too, would probably agree that he wouldn't want some statue of his likeness when there were so many other Ishgardians putting their lives down for their country, for the hopes and dreams and futures of their people. I think I'd be disappointed if they let the 'fanservice' aspect of Haurchefant's popularity win in this case, honestly.

A general monument to those we have lost would be more fitting than a personal tribute to the WoL's BFF, as much as we miss him.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

... dumb question. Just like with Shirogane, people can enter the Firmament (if we assume it becomes a Housing Ward) way before Heavensward MSQ. Wouldn't that statue be a spoiler for those yet oblivious?

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Are you all really okay with spoiling new-ish players, should it all play out that way? Because it's a legit concern of mine if the Firmament turns into a Housing Ward, and I don't see it brought up.

Sure, it would be nice to hone certain characters, but not at the cost of ruining the experience of others.

Theodric and some others brought up a really good alternative - a general monument of all the Ishgardians that lost/gave their lives sounds promising.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

Are you all really okay with spoiling new-ish players, should it all play out that way? Because it's a legit concern of mine if the Firmament turns into a Housing Ward, and I don't see it brought up.

Sure, it would be nice to hone certain characters, but not at the cost of ruining the experience of others.

Theodric and some others brought up a really good alternative - a general monument of all the Ishgardians that lost/gave their lives sounds promising.

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Could just be something they don't see until they reach a certain point in the MSQ. That tech has been used before, right?

The Firmament needs stripper poles.

Him? No thanks, her? Sure.

It would have to be a pretty big statue in order to see it. Papalymo was a Lala, after all.

I agree, we do need a monument to Thordan and the Knights of the Round in the place where we relocate the peasantry.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

You know who.

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Say no more fam.

https://i.imgur.com/qogAbhP.jpg

I would love a statue of him. I don't think that it needs to be in the housing area, but in the turn-ins area it would be really nice.

I'm sure the Firmament wards will be full of his shrines. All the other housing districts are.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I would love a statue of him. I don't think that it needs to be in the housing area, but in the turn-ins area it would be really nice.

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They're the same, though, as it seems right now.

I love that character but no we dont need a statue of him. As others have said, there are quite a few people that lost their lives in this war and just because he is very dear to the WoL should not mean that they get something special. (And I doubt that he would have liked that either)

I am still a bit annoyed on how they killed him of and how they try to milk this all the time because they know that a lot of people love his character...I dont need even more things ingame that will remind me that he died that way and just for the drama.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

Don't forget that a certain lady also exists who played a major part in WoL learning the truth about the Dragonsong War and ultimately in peace.

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While true, that same woman, queen of the heretics, was DIRECTLY responsible for enabling the dragons' assault which resulted in the damage we're trying to repair (not to mention the deaths of countless lower-class citizens). It's true that she EXPECTED the dragons to go straight for the nobles and the papacy - the ones responsible for perpetuating the lie of the Dragonsong war - but Nidhogg just didn't care. His followers tore into whoever they could reach, and that meant the Brume and the Firmament took the brunt of their assault.

Even with the truth revealed, putting up a statue of her in the restored district she helped to destroy would be in pretty bad taste. No one in Ishgard will be celebrating Y'sayle anytime soon. If fate is kind, future history books will treat her fairly, but that's about the best we can expect.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

When it is done, there had better be a memorial / statue / shrine / whatever for them.

You know who.

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Thordan? :^)

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Originally Posted by Theodric

No, thank you.

It'll probably happen for the fan service factor alone, but the death of the character in question has been milked enough at this point. Nor is he deserving of special treatment when there's so many other regular Ishgardians who laid down their lives for Ishgard's sake. They're far more important in the grand scheme of things.

I'd prefer to see a generic memorial devoted to the fallen.

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That said, I agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Saintly

Say no more fam.

https://i.imgur.com/qogAbhP.jpg

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I think we need one of a Golden Godbert suplexing a Golden Hildy like in the Stormblood questline.

I understand the argument of "he shouldn't be considered any more important than any other Ishgardian who gave their lives JUST because he happened to be friends with the WoL", buuuuuuuuut... there are also the argument points of:

- We understand that the people of Ishgard all revere the WoL as their savior (whether or not they *should*, the fact remains that they are all written as if they, as a nation, unilaterally *do*)

- The people of Ishgard were very xenophobic and absolutely would not have accepted the WoL's help in the first place had Haurchefant not essentially cheerfully bullied them into doing so

- Haurchefant didn't sacrifice his life for Ishgard specifically. I mean, while he certainly did in the *general* sense, in the *specific* sense he did it to save the WoL's life. Which, if he hadn't done, the WoL couldn't have gone on to save them all (okay, okay, *technically* if we're powerful to defeat primals we probably could've taken the hit better than Haurchefant did, and we *probably* would have been smart enough to jump out of the way of the thing rather than trying to tank it like Haurchefant did, but FOR TRAGIC FAIRY TALE STORY PURPOSES, we're assuming that if Haurchefant hadn't have done what he did, that spear would've skewered us instead, because if we don't assume that then his death is UTTERLY stupid and pointless)

Because of those specific points, I could see how the people of Ishgard might actually want to pay homage to that specific character over other deaths.

*shrug*

As much as I love him (,_,) just on principle, I don't think we should celebrate any tanks that don't use mitigation on busters, it would send the wrong message to new players.

Personal memorial statue?
No, he is getting more than enough... his death is not more nobler than others...

All of the people who is death memorial statue? Maybe, but i rather not...

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Originally Posted by SpiritedMare

okay, okay, *technically* if we're powerful to defeat primals we probably could've taken the hit better than Haurchefant did, and we *probably* would have been smart enough to jump out of the way of the thing rather than trying to tank it like Haurchefant did...

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Lessons from the EX battle: he did the mechanic correctly, but the rest of the party failed to stack with him. ;_;

You mean Haurechefant?