SE please FIX SS rank minions from despawning

For those in the hunting community, a certain group of ppl are purposely despawning SS rank minions so grief the player base. Unfortunately even with all the reports against said ppl, SE has done nothing.

Easy fix SE, make the minions no longer despawn if engaged and lose enmity.

/rant off

how do you purposefully despawn the adds? just not attack them?

You simply aggro them and run/fly away/die. If they reset, they despawn immediately and fail the SS. When an S pops, the griefer can wait at the add spawn point, wait for a potential SS trigger and immediately reset it.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

You simply aggro them and run/fly away/die. If they reset, they despawn immediately and fail the SS. When an S pops, the griefer can wait at the add spawn point, wait for a potential SS trigger and immediately reset it.

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ooh i see, thank you for explaining. that seems like a poor design choice so i can see why op is frustrated.

I think the best option is to add a despawn timer like 1min for the minions if they reset. So even if someone tried to despawn them, there's still a 1 min timer that has to pass before they despawn if they weren't attacked.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

I think the best option is to add a despawn timer like 1min for the minions if they reset. So even if someone tried to despawn them, there's still a 1 min timer that has to pass before they despawn if they weren't attacked.

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I'm not a pro hunter so perhaps there is a detail in design I'm missing as to why not, but wouldn't it just make much more sense to, as the OP suggested, make adds not de-spawn when they de-aggro? Adding a de-spawn timer to adds seems like a clunky solution.

They should make it, that if a mob/hunt/fateboss de-aggros off someone due to the player leaving the area, that they should just immediately target the next highest in threat, rather than resetting/despawning. Would make things less griefable.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

I'm not a pro hunter so perhaps there is a detail in design I'm missing as to why not, but wouldn't it just make much more sense to, as the OP suggested, make adds not de-spawn when they de-aggro? Adding a de-spawn timer to adds seems like a clunky solution.

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They were designed to despawn if players failed to kill them. So to preserve the dev team's design choice and also prevent trolls, that's the solution I think they can use.

Edit: Or! they can do like they did with Ovni for BA and delay the spawn timer of the minions. This seems to be a much better option, now that I think about it lol.

In Hydatos, people were leaving Ovni's FATE zone just to catch a portal. And Ovni at some points would target one of those players for an attack and start to follow that player and ends up resetting. So SE made it that you can't get the portal buff unless you kill Ovni and remain in the FATE zone to get it. And further more, portals would only appear after a certain time has passed.

The despawn timer is pointless when the minions have fixed spawn points that are well-documented at this point so the only actual risk of failure is from someone engaging a minion solo then resetting it whether accidentally or intentionally.

They should just give a longer timer that the minions need to be killed within (Like maybe 10 minutes or so) but does allow them to be reset without a failure.

The dumb thing about this whole situation is that as the TC stated, the GMs are somehow unable/unwilling to punish the ones currently involved in the practice when their intent is painfully obvious. I don't care if the minions despawning because of someone's stupidity is "working as intended", because it's scarcely different from resetting the S rank itself which is a behavior people have been punished for on multiple occasions.

Well, something needs to be done about it, because griefers keep despawning the SS minions.

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Originally Posted by Oichi

Well, something needs to be done about it, because griefers keep despawning the SS minions.

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They're been mass reported after basically every instance of this occurring but the GMs refuse to touch them no matter how hard I try to poke holes in whatever flawed logic they might be trying to use to let them slide.

The most pathetic thing is that the player doing this is using a level-skipped alt account (That also recently changed names to try to throw off people tracking them in player search), so even if they got banned there's no guarantees they wouldn't just come back on a different account.

This happened earlier today on my server when I was gathering in Il Mheg. One Forgiven add was despawned which made the whole thing pointless as a result, and people in Shout chat were understandably irate. Ridiculous that this sort of thing is allowed to continue with no sort of "grace period". Would 10 minutes of it being impossible to despawn really be so terrible?

What makes you think all of this is on purpose, theres a good chance it ate a low lv and then depoped or a person did fly to low not even seeing it or was simply curious.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

What makes you think all of this is on purpose, theres a good chance it ate a low lv and then depoped or a person did fly to low not even seeing it or was simply curious.

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There is someone who is purposefully camping out on a minion spawn point as BLU then using Self-Destruct to immediately reset it seconds after it appears. They've been caught in the act several times now and they have a prior history of trolling S ranks in general across the Aether DC.

It is not a happy little coincidence. It's deliberate malicious behavior aimed at the hunting community strictly out of spite and if my suspicions are correct, this person is someone who also already has all of the hunt-related achievements and thus has nothing to lose from partaking in this trolling on an expendable alt account.

Some people just want to watch the world burn. Sad.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

What makes you think all of this is on purpose, theres a good chance it ate a low lv and then depoped or a person did fly to low not even seeing it or was simply curious.

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You would simply have to play on Aether and be active in the hunt community to experience the level of trolling being discussed. The hunt trolls on aether are out of control and very vindictive.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They're been mass reported after basically every instance of this occurring but the GMs refuse to touch them no matter how hard I try to poke holes in whatever flawed logic they might be trying to use to let them slide.

The most pathetic thing is that the player doing this is using a level-skipped alt account (That also recently changed names to try to throw off people tracking them in player search), so even if they got banned there's no guarantees they wouldn't just come back on a different account.

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While I do not agree, from a GM perspective I could see how they would not want to take action since they have no proof it was done to intentionally grief. GM's in this game let a lot slide when you feign ignorance. Had someone in our discord channel kill the wasp for six hours straight when BLU was released and they simply told the GM they had no idea it was a special mob.

Our GM's so so by the book it is painful.

As I said before, they should delay their spawn times just like they did with Ovni FATE portals. Give the minions like 2-3mins before they spawn after the notification and problem solved.

Players that reset the hunts, accidentally or not, should get a hidden debuff that stays with them. When that debuff hits a certain number, hunts simply ignore them - they can't get credit for them, they don't aggro them and cannot gain rewards from open world hunts (bills and whatnot will still work). They only way to remove it is to have a GM look into it, which should reveal every flag that lead to that debuff, showing that player is willfully engaging in grief tactics.

It should be a high enough number that "accidentally" doing these is improbable. This counter should also apply per account, not character. While I'm very much in the hunts-are-open-world-and-waiting-is-not-required-just-courteous-camp, trolling and purposely resetting is an entirely different thing.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

There is someone who is purposefully camping out on a minion spawn point as BLU then using Self-Destruct to immediately reset it seconds after it appears. They've been caught in the act several times now and they have a prior history of trolling S ranks in general across the Aether DC.

It is not a happy little coincidence. It's deliberate malicious behavior aimed at the hunting community strictly out of spite and if my suspicions are correct, this person is someone who also already has all of the hunt-related achievements and thus has nothing to lose from partaking in this trolling on an expendable alt account.

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I would hope that GM's are just taking time to think on banning the guy. Hope that they find every account associated with his IP address and jus ban them all. Paying an extra sub and boosting the alt is some length to go to jus to be a griefer. Got more money than morals I guess :o

Sad that still is going on, the perpetrator has been found on multiple occasions and nothing has been done so far.
Punishing the individual won't change the problem as someone else could take their place, the minions need to wait out their 5 min timer regardless if they get pulled or not in order for this grief tactic to stop.

This has happened at least twice in the past 24 hours on Aether Datacenter.
Tarchia on Cactuar yesterday spawned minions, and Tyger on Faerie today did as well. Both had at least one minion despawn before 60 seconds had passed, before anyone could even arrive at the Gossip locations.
This is a repeating problem and deliberate grief behavior from the same player, who is exploiting the Forgiven Gossip despawn condition in order to inconvenience an entire data center's worth of players who participate in cross-world hunting.
The gross ineptitude of the GMs in addressing this repeat offender's ToS-breaking behavior aside... if the Gossips were not able to be exploited in this way, the problem would be solved long-term.
I fully understand they cannot be allowed to hang around in the same way that normal hunts do. They are time-sensitive.
If I understand correctly, they have a built-in timer already, which requires they be engaged and defeated, or else they despawn. That condition alone is sufficient. The reset = despawn condition, at this point, serves as nothing more than an exploit for malicious players to harass others. I would propose the devs remove the reset = despawn condition from the Forgiven Gossip enemies. This is a long-term solution to preventing both intentional malicious harassment via reset/despawn, as well as accidental despawns (as we saw early in the expansion with people leveling or out gathering).

new thread on topic, please also post here to keep them active: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Being-Punished