you shouldnt be allowed to roll for 2b outfit if you already have one

i lost some of my very high rolls to people ALREADY WEARING 2b outfit

like wtf?

and no its not the job styled one, the actual 2b glamour ones

My friends who have it all pass. Sorry this happened to you.

Yikes. I guess that since it's a coffer, the game wouldn't have as easy a way of verifying whether the players already own the contents. That does sound like a pretty crummy oversight.

You're kidding, is the Nier outfit not tagged as unique?

apparently if you delete the coffer, it counts as you not having one. even thought youve redeemed one previously. also you can convert it into glamour dresser and it counts as you not having one.

so dumb

Yeah should be treated as a mount drop.
A little off topic: are they possibly going to have a male themed glamour next raid? ������

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

You're kidding, is the Nier outfit not tagged as unique?

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It is, but once you stick it in your glamour dresser it is not registered as you having it. So you can have more than one unique item. I have multiple sets of some gear. One for glamour for my higher level jobs and one to wear for lower level. They are all unique.

Not only that, Orchestra and Cards shouldn't be allowed to roll it too if you already got one.

Maybe they could introduce an achievement in the style of "Talk to Jonathan wearing the full 2B set" which will unlock the set from the Calamtiy Salvager but will prevent you from rolling on the coffer again?

Its not perfect, since it wont protect against trolls who could simply not bother to get the achievment and keep happly rolling, but since the game seems to have no real way to check wether or not you own a certain piece of gear somewhere its the best I could think of... would also be a nice addition so people could safely discard the set and still have an easy way of getting it back.

So it's as I feared. What a pain...
I'm sorry this happened to you (I'm sure it'll happen to me as well when I try to actively farm for it...)

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Originally Posted by DenzelVilliers

Not only that, Orchestra and Cards shouldn't be allowed to roll it too if you already got one.

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People can get Gil or MGP for them which is why they’re allowed to be rolled on multiple times.

I fail to understand why anyone would need more than one of those anyway? They're prohibited from the mb as far as I'm aware for both the coffer and glamour, so what could be gained other than wasting inventory space? But then some people are just trolls like that, unfortunately. Hopefully something is done to prevent this in the future though.

Im trying to get multiple because I want them for retainers and custom deliveries. May the highest numbers win.

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Originally Posted by Soupa

Im trying to get multiple because I want them for retainers and custom deliveries. May the highest numbers win.

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You realize you don't actually need multiples to glamour outfits for those right?

Wow, this sounds like a pretty gnarly oversight. This is a great way for people to troll. :/

Oh .. great, so pretty much a free "try to troll" card for people .. yay.. -_-

Yikes, what an oversight.
The orchestrion rolls can be sold at least, and usually hit rock bottom prices from a billion copies of each being generated over the course of an expac.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

You realize you don't actually need multiples to glamour outfits for those right?

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Actually, I have been thinking. I DO need multiples for my glamours. Like, you only get so many glamour plates right? I like to use expensive dyes, so I need multiple copies of each piece with the expensive dyes so I don't have to buy more, or use up all my glamour plates.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/iHpK7hRbUfTMs/source.gif

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Originally Posted by White_Wolf_X

Oh .. great, so pretty much a free "try to troll" card for people .. yay.. -_-

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You can still report people if they say they are getting multiple ones just to prevent others from getting them.

This is barely different than being able to roll on any other crap people might want to use from glamour. We're in week 1, and you're going to be running this at least once a week for MONTHS. The vast majority of people will not be rolling for multiples. This is not a problem. It will become easier and easier to get as the weeks go on.

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Originally Posted by Soupa

Im trying to get multiple because I want them for retainers and custom deliveries. May the highest numbers win.

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Glamour Dresser.

Its alright. The people that are that selfish have to live with their conscience. They know what they are doing is wrong. I also know people will try to act as if this is trivial in response. It isn't. Treat other people with respect.

I think the more interesting question is why isn't this a Calamtiy Salvager thing.

As it stands now the outfit isn't the same as a mount or minion. When you get a mount or minion it stays with you forever ... you can't lose it or accidentally destroy it after opening. So yeah, some people may figure they should have a back up coffer in case they oopsie it. As someone who has more than 3 times now turned in or broken down level cap gear I still needed or lost things in the glam dresser suffle I can relate.

it's week 1, stop getting triggered because you did not get something.

I just need on everything out of habit :/ I just want the music (havent got any yet) but i think ive gotten 2 or 3 outfits.. Honestly didnt even want the damn thing

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Actually, I have been thinking. I DO need multiples for my glamours. Like, you only get so many glamour plates right? I like to use expensive dyes, so I need multiple copies of each piece with the expensive dyes so I don't have to buy more, or use up all my glamour plates.

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More reason the Glamour and Dye system is crap.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

it's week 1, stop getting triggered because you did not get something.

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So someone tries to get multiples of something, thus causing others to miss out more than they normally would, and you're directing your anger those affected by it, rather than the perpetrators? I guess I'm not surprised, since you're one of those people that throws the word 'triggered' around so negatively.

It seems the 2B outfit is quite sought after, so it's only fair to let others get a chance to have it. Period.

To all the people telling people to stop crying/being triggered, that it's "just week 1" or whatever, let me say that as someone who HAS already gotten the glamour coffer I think it's a completely valid complaint.

It doesn't really make sense to let people who have already gotten one to roll on them again. Unlike other unlimited roll items, you can't sell them on the Market Board, nor can you turn them in for any currency. It would make much more sense for these items to be made available from Calamity Salvager, which would cover most of the situations where someone might want to have more than one set of these.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Maybe they could introduce an achievement in the style of "Talk to Jonathan wearing the full 2B set" which will unlock the set from the Calamtiy Salvager but will prevent you from rolling on the coffer again?

Its not perfect, since it wont protect against trolls who could simply not bother to get the achievment and keep happly rolling, but since the game seems to have no real way to check wether or not you own a certain piece of gear somewhere its the best I could think of... would also be a nice addition so people could safely discard the set and still have an easy way of getting it back.

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Agreed. It could honestly be even more straightforward than that - just make it so winning the coffer nets you an achievement for winning the coffer. Problem solved, including that of someone having a full inventory and not having space for the coffer after winning it.

I been in groups where few said they was going keep rolling on them till they had outfit for themselves and one for each there retainers. Hope they make it achievement then can buy another set and dye another color.

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Actually, I have been thinking. I DO need multiples for my glamours. Like, you only get so many glamour plates right? I like to use expensive dyes, so I need multiple copies of each piece with the expensive dyes so I don't have to buy more, or use up all my glamour plates.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/iHpK7hRbUfTMs/source.gif

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You can apply the dye to the plate without applying the dye to the individual items, so, no. You don't actually NEED multiples for that purpose.

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Originally Posted by Machka

To all the people telling people to stop crying/being triggered, that it's "just week 1" or whatever, let me say that as someone who HAS already gotten the glamour coffer I think it's a completely valid complaint.

It doesn't really make sense to let people who have already gotten one to roll on them again. Unlike other unlimited roll items, you can't sell them on the Market Board, nor can you turn them in for any currency. It would make much more sense for these items to be made available from Calamity Salvager, which would cover most of the situations where someone might want to have more than one set of these.



Agreed. It could honestly be even more straightforward than that - just make it so winning the coffer nets you an achievement for winning the coffer. Problem solved, including that of someone having a full inventory and not having space for the coffer after winning it.

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no I don't have it, only did the dungeon once and did not go again because I got the weekly locked gear drop but I did farm the 4 man dungeon entire day to get full tank gear set from there (that also gave me a nice amount of the new crafting material from desynthesis).

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Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

i lost some of my very high rolls to people ALREADY WEARING 2b outfit

like wtf?

and no its not the job styled one, the actual 2b glamour ones

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it is same with savage raiding, people need on things already have, and those people that don't have BiS yet, need to roll need vs people who Need it for Alts


as FOR NIER => Simple solution -> you roll Need on coffer, and when You get it, You would get achievement, and next time the coffer should be gray or invisible to roll on, and if some one would lost those, could be restored from NPC

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Originally Posted by wereotter

You can apply the dye to the plate without applying the dye to the individual items, so, no. You don't actually NEED multiples for that purpose.

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You don't understand. Yes, you can dye the plate, but then if you change the plate, you lose the dyed piece. If I have copies of the 2b outfit in my dresser, I don't have to use up an entire plate, that I can't change, to have a different dyed piece!

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Originally Posted by MsQi

More reason the Glamour and Dye system is crap.

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Oh yeah for sure, Seriously though, I do actually have pieces (not 2b) pre-dyed black or white inside my dresser. There are really not enough plates.

Easy fix give us 100 plates for glamour then don't think run out of room any time soon. Hope they do change it so can buy another set. I find it funny that still shows me as a lalafell when haven't been one for 2 days

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It is, but once you stick it in your glamour dresser it is not registered as you having it. So you can have more than one unique item. I have multiple sets of some gear. One for glamour for my higher level jobs and one to wear for lower level. They are all unique.

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You don't have to put it in your glamour dress. I have rolled on coffers while wearing the dress itself. Fear not! I do it just for giggles and pass on any high rolls. It's my silly game of "how bad are my rolls gonna be?" and "Okay. I passed with this 96. Good karma for the minion, right?"

RNG is still mean ;-;

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it is same with savage raiding, people need on things already have, and those people that don't have BiS yet, need to roll need vs people who Need it for Alts


as FOR NIER => Simple solution -> you roll Need on coffer, and when You get it, You would get achievement, and next time the coffer should be gray or invisible to roll on, and if some one would lost those, could be restored from NPC

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That isn't the same thing. Someone rolling Need on Savage drops may be using it for a second job. The gear is going to use in that case. With the 2B coffer, it will literally be discarded because they can't do anything with. They're simply taking a second set just to be a jerk.

SE should fix this.

The reason they actually have to allow people to continue to roll on the coffer is due to the awful and archaic inventory system this game has. There is no reasonable way for SE to prevent it without attaching the gear to an achievement or specific quest. So, they would have to instead remove the coffer from the raid and release it as a reward for a sidequest or have it collected as an achievement reward. Or for them to just bite the bullet and update their inventory system to allow us to have things like a glamour/armor collection and things like that.

Currently, inventory is split up across multiple servers. Your character's personal inventory (inventory and armoury chest) move with you between instances and servers, those are directly attached to your character's data and can be accessed at any time, basically. The reason you cannot access the Chocobo Saddelbag or do things like isearch your retainer inventory in an instance is because that information is located on the inventory server and the client can't communicate with the inventory server while using the instance server (for some reason).

The game also identifies all of these inventories as being entirely separated (since they are not located in the same place or share any of the same data). You can have a unique item in your normal inventory, another in your Chocobo Saddlebag, and then as many of that same unique as you have retainers to hold them.

That means that someone could actually win a coffer, put it in their saddlebag, win another coffer, put it in a retainer, win another coffer, put it another retainer, etc, until they've ran out of retainers. They can have that many UNOPENED coffers. The same would apply to the gear.

The reason that SE cannot disallow rolling on coffers is because if someone were to accidentally throw away or somehow lose the set of gear, then they'd have no way to get the gear back, because the game physically cannot check to see if the gear exists in your inventories since the instance and inventory servers do not interact fully. It can't just have someone win a coffer and then say, "that's all you get" and never allow them to roll again.

But, again, the solution to this is to tie the 2B outfit to an achievement. You equip the full set, it unlocks at the Calamity Salvager NPC, and flags your character as owning the gear already, just like how minions and mounts are added to your character and cannot be rolled on again either.

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Originally Posted by DenzelVilliers

Not only that, Orchestra and Cards shouldn't be allowed to roll it too if you already got one.

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Orchestion rolls can be sold on MB.
Cards can be traded for MGP at the NPC in Gold Saucer.


^ I think the above is the reason for how it currently is.

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I thought the main point of this would be clear to people but yeah ... they're not gonna stop you from rerolling on something like this if there's any chance you could lose it.

Just think of the topics that would be made ...

"I accidentally desynced my 2B boots cause I thought they were the tank boots and the game wont even allow me to reroll on it?!? It took me 42 runs in the free time I squeeze in while raising my 21 kids to win a roll ... and now the contents so old everyone has it so no one rolls on it! Why can't I roll again just cause I won once?!?!"

Like I said before, people shouldn't be asking for there to be a no reroll rule to fix this so much as they should be asking for the glam to be an achievement gear. Like the PVP gear that just went away forever, I can rebuy the sets I got for cheap if I want and I can buy as many as I want.
If that's not how its gonna happen then some people are gonna keep rerolling on it for back ups.

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I thought the main point of this would be clear to people but yeah ... they're not gonna stop you from rerolling on something like this if there's any chance you could lose it.

Just think of the topics that would be made ...

"I accidentally desynced my 2B boots cause I thought they were the tank boots and the game wont even allow me to reroll on it?!? It took me 42 runs in the free time I squeeze in while raising my 21 kids to win a roll ... and now the contents so old everyone has it so no one rolls on it! Why can't I roll again just cause I won once?!?!"

Like I said before, people shouldn't be asking for there to be a no reroll rule to fix this so much as they should be asking for the glam to be an achievement gear. Like the PVP gear that just went away forever, I can rebuy the sets I got for cheap if I want and I can buy as many as I want.
If that's not how its gonna happen then some people are gonna keep rerolling on it for back ups.

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Exactly. And someone has mentioned different dyes (which I would like). I'm already using all 15 glamour plates. If they tied it to an achievement, I would be SO happy. For now, while the content is still hot and a lot of people are still trying to get the attire, I am passing as I own the attire (and don't want to deny someone a chance while the content is still hot). But I will be looking to get 9 sets total (one for each of the metallic dyes, I love the metallic dyes OK?), but the other 8 (as I own one already), will come much later on down the road out of respect for other players. I did the same with the Thavnairian female attire (I can even show my glamour dresser as proof I obtained 9 sets of the stuff, sans the sandals as I don't dye those!). However, understanding that the attire is hot and highly requested I want to give others a fair chance. I do understand however that other people will not be so nice. But if they added an achievement for it that meant you couldn't roll on it in future (perhaps add the guy in Old Gridania for those that already have the attire - perhaps allow them to trade in the full attire for a coffer and thus earn the achievement maybe - and make an achievement for "Obtain a No.2 Type B Materiel Storage Crate" which triggers when you win a roll). Honestly, rather than fighting RNG for every set, I would MUCH prefer that option.