Take it with a grain of salt. I'm not an expert on theorycraft for crafting but I do like macros and I did get some done. They work for the new 2 star items.
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35 Durability Macro || 2331 Craftsmanship / 2433 Control / 607 CP
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis"
2547 control requires BiS gear with a lot of control melds. I'm basically overmelded to the top minus weapon/off-hand. I'm using Blood Bouillabaisse. Specialist not required. Bad RNG on poor procs can screw you over.Quote:
70 Durability Macro || 2487 Craftsmanship / **2547 Control** / 603 CP
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis"
Thanks to Liam_Harper from OF, he helped me on the 35 Durability macro.
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11-01-2019, 08:20 AMAikaal100% HQ macros with NQ mats
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11-01-2019, 12:04 PMCookiesNCreams
Annnnd this is why Yoshida will be making easily HQ’able macros and rotations require procs in 5.2.
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11-01-2019, 09:54 PMNicodemus_MercyI think you're going to be very disappointed when 5.2 comes...Quote:
Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams
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11-01-2019, 09:59 PMCookiesNCreamsProbably...but who knows, maybe vet crafters will like it. We don’t have enough info yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy
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11-02-2019, 01:26 AMNicodemus_MercyTrue we can only speculate at this juncture. I just expect the extent of "procs" in crafting will basically be along the lines of needing to take advantage of good/excellent procs (which means you cant macro it).Quote:
Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams
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11-02-2019, 02:47 AMBuuhuu
Huhu,
I also like macros a lot, but I don't like expensive overmelds, therefore I always try to squeeze as much quality out of my stats as possible.
I didn't bother too much with the 35er items, as the final item is the one that needs to be HQ. (saves a lot of time, not focussing on HQing those^^)
I found this to be the best I could do:
Interestingly, I think there is really less variation now, after the change. During experimenting, I always found myself to come to almost the same rotation with one or two steps difference, but nothing crucial.Quote:
It just needs
Craftsmanship: 2162
Control: 2380 (to be exactly on the 100%, more is always better, or lower with one 1 HQ item)
CP: 597
/ac Reflect <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac Ingenuity <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac Ingenuity <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac Ingenuity <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo Craft finished <se.2>
It's good I suppose, cause less clutter, but also less exciting, as there aren't that many skills to mess around with anymore xd -
11-03-2019, 01:32 AMRyaz
Here's mine. I have 2407 craft and 2368 control with 607 CP after food. Might re-meld for a bit more control.
Macro 1:
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch"<wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/echo <se.3>
Macro 2:
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo <se.7> -
11-03-2019, 02:45 AMCaimie_Tsukino
NOTE: Please see post below for some wonderful suggested changes by Buuhuu.
Surely someone must have figured out something better?
I made a macro today which requires much less stats.
For OLD 2 star 35 durab items with 4777 difficulty
Final stats requirement:
2206 craft
2162 control
588 CP
Basic stats:
2206 craft
2131 control
538 CP
+ use HQ Seafood Stew (+31 control, +50 CP), which is extremely cheap!
Tested ALL NQ mats, end up 100% HQ guaranteed (broke into 3 macros for the final condition check. You can just fuse the last 2 macros together if you wanna save time, but skip the check).
For NEW 2 star 35 durab items with 5428 difficulty
Final stats requirement:
2226 craft
2182 control
595 CP (by changing the Basic Syn into Careful Syn!)
For the new 2 star 35 durab items, it doesn't hit 100% HQ, but only 90%. So having 1 HQ mat will help.
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/echo ShB 35 durab p1 (588cp) ended<se.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo ShB 35 durab p3 (588cp) ENDED!<se.6>
*Edited per Buuhuu's suggestions below.
Quality check (OLD 2 star 35 durab with 4777 difficulty):
https://i.imgur.com/VuIoua6.png
Quality check (NEW 2 star 35 durab with 5428 difficulty):
https://i.imgur.com/A0Nuf2e.png -
11-03-2019, 02:49 AMCaimie_Tsukino
If using 1 HQ mat, or if 90-ish % is acceptable to you, then just get rid of the Great Strides... it will save you 32 CP, and you just need 556 CP in total... here you go:
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/echo ShB 35 durab p1 (556cp) ended<se.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/echo ShB 35 durab p2 (556cp) ended<se.4>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo ShB 35 durab p3 (556cp) ENDED!<se.6>
*Edited per Buuhuu's suggestions in post below.
Really super low stats required! -
11-03-2019, 03:59 AMBuuhuuHi,Quote:
Surely someone must have figured out something better?
I made a macro today which requires much less stats.
I came up with similar macros, when I tested with the 35 durab items, but I think you might have tested on the wrong items in the first one, at least when you say quality needed is 32753, as the new 2 star 35 durab items have 35092 quality requirement?
Anyway I think you mixed two skills in the first rotation:
I think you meant to do:Quote:
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
this way it works, like you described even for the new 2 star ones but with those requirements as of teamcraft:Quote:
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
Craftsmanship: 2242
Control: 2336
CP: 588
Edit:
Also I would switch Great Strides and Ingenuity at the end, cause without Ingenuity you cannot finish the craft, therefore, when you have an excellent proc, you need to remember this when manually crafting (could lead to failing the craft if not paying attention)
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/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo ShB 35 durab p3 (588cp) ENDED!<se.6>
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11-03-2019, 04:12 AMCallinonSo the guy says it requires BiS gear with overmelds and you're still complaining about it being too "easy" to do. Tell you what, if you'd like to just add artificial "challenge" to your crafting, why not use worse gear? Or no overmelds? That way the rest of us can enjoy stats that matter and you can have your "challenge." It's win-win.Quote:
Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams
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11-03-2019, 09:07 AMCaimie_TsukinoThat's some wonderful amendments! Thank you very much! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buuhuu
And yes, I was only doing the old 2 stars. And your amendments really helped with dealing the new 2 star.
The last part should be:
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo ShB 35 durab p3 (588cp) ENDED!<se.6>
Because Innovation is actually the weakest out of all.
The way how everything is lined up perfectly now is just BEAUTIFUL ...durab hitting max just before Manip falls off and then Waste Not kicks in... 5 steps of Ingen finishes just as the last Focused Syn completes. It's in such perfection it's exciting to watch as the macro runs!
Thanks again! :)
Cheers!~ -
11-03-2019, 06:19 PMBuuhuuGlad I could help :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
For your last change with Innovation:
I thought about that aswell, but you would bump the craftsmanship requirement by a lot, with that (to around 2345 as of teamcraft). As innovation not just only buff quality gain, but also progress now.
In theory your change is really nice, if you want to get the most quality out of it. But when you have an excellent proc for your finisher, your control could be as low as possible for those items and you would still get the item to 100% most likely. Therefore I think it's an unneccessary increase of craftsmanship requirement in this case :) -
11-03-2019, 06:59 PMCookiesNCreamsOh, please. That’s absolutely silly. I got a better idea. How about we get content just like casuals? We have our RNG procs, and you have your easy recipes. No matter what arbitrary rules you suggest me to set myself to, the fact that the gear is still easy to make, and is laughably easy, is still present. Please don’t debate with me over this *again*, we aren’t going to agree on it. Essentially asking me to walk on one leg because it’s “harder” is like, the weakest and most illogical argument you could make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callinon
All I can say is, I look forward to the next live letter when they finally explain more about these procs. Because you and your macros can’t really save the day once that happens. :P
Anyways, this isn’t really the thread to talk about this. It’s better to talk about it on the popular thread I made a few months ago. It’s better SE sees things from all of our perspectives in a single thread. And I think they’ve said before they prefer things to be in a single thread. -
11-03-2019, 07:55 PMNanaWiloh
If you have 2140 craftsmanship 2010 Control and 535 cp. Then all you need is HQ Blood B + cunning craftsmen syrup and 2 HQ mats. This is for the 70 dur rotation though dont remember exactly how low you could go with 35 dur..
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11-03-2019, 08:10 PMKuroka
Wait so no one uses the "Element" stuff? weird its acually pretty nice...
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11-03-2019, 09:35 PMBuuhuuWell the Element-Stuff is good, but now that it costs 30 CP to just buff it to reasonable levels, it isn't that useful anymore. To reach full progress is rarely the problem. When doing rotations, it is mostly about how to squeeze the most quality out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroka
In most cases, when I tried to include the "Element"-Stuff into my rotation I either waste one Buff (Inguenity for example) to get all 3 uses out of it or just using 2 and with the CP spent there I often could do the same with less CP usage^^
If you have a rotation, where you utilize the Element-Skills, feel free to share, maybe I am wrong and there is a good use case for them when crafting endgame stuff :) -
11-03-2019, 11:27 PMGralna
Am i missing something, see all these macro's end with Byregot's blessing, but none of them use Inner Quiet?
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11-03-2019, 11:37 PMEspritduo
Reflect applies it automatically.
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11-04-2019, 12:01 AMCaimie_TsukinoSorry, I'm not sure what you meant, since the arrangement ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Buuhuu
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Observe" <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
would make the Innovation apply to the Focused Syn too. So I am not sure why this would bump up the craftsmanship requirement. I think I probably just need 2200-ish for it.
If Excellent procs before the Innov, then just manually press Byregot, and then Innov before finishing with the rest.
Reflect now auto-applies IQ, so Reflect is really really CP-saving now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gralna
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11-04-2019, 12:13 AMBuuhuuWell thats true, but this way you need to remember innovation again (same why I preferred using Ingenuity before the split).Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
As I said, the craft would be way over 100% if an excellent procs happens, so you can exclude Great Strides safely if this procs and don't have to remember anything else, besides finishing the synth.
It is not that big of a deal, but I like to keep it as simple and straight forward as possible. It is just my preference doing it that way :) -
11-04-2019, 05:14 AMKurokaOnly if youre german^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Buuhuu
Code:/ac Einkehr <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac "Name der Elemente" <wait.2>
/ac EInfallsreichtum <wait.2>
/ac "Zeichen der Elemente" <wait.3>
/ac "Zeichen der Elemente" <wait.3>
/ac "Letzte Kontrolle" <wait.3>
/ac "Akribische Bearbeitung" <wait.3>
/ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
/ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
/ac Einfallsreichtum <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
/ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
Code:/ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
/ac "Wiederherstellung" <wait.3>
/ac EInfallsreichtum <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Basisveredelung" <wait.3>
/ac "Große Schritte" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregots Benediktion" <wait.3>
/ac Bearbeiten <wait.3>
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11-04-2019, 07:46 AMBuuhuuYes I am^^ (still answering in english, though)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroka
Thanks for sharing and yeah, this is quite good aswell. Without re-arranging the skills too much it's not that easy to replace the elements in this rotation.
Honestly I forgot, that we were talking mostly of the 35 durab items, as I rarely hq-ing those ^^'
But if you compare your rotation with the one from caimie for example (same stats):
Yours: https://prnt.sc/ps07vo
Caimies: https://prnt.sc/ps07mk
It almost yields the same results (a little bit more progress on yours, quality is the same) but caimies' costs 18 cp less.
Delicate synthesis ("Akribische Bearbeitung") is really good, as it combines a normal (100%)-synth and a touch into one. And it is really expensive (especially on the 35 durab items), to maintain/replenish durability + maintaining buffs, that makes this skill so powerful.
And to "loose" 2 or 3 touches for those element skills together with the increased cp cost is the reason, I think, I always come up with cp less alternatives not using those :/
So I didn't meant that those skills are "useless", they are still strong. But I feel, that they are eating too many resources. But maybe I am a little bit too fussy about those things, I don't know^^ -
11-04-2019, 07:54 AMKuroka
I upgraded my gear so i had to change that macro anyways, as i finished too early lol
-I still gotta check about the 70 durab stuff, bet gotta change that too... -
11-10-2019, 10:05 AMEspritduo
With Ishgardian Restoration right around the corner I decided to be dumb and see how far I could take the current crafting system with extreme stats. By max melding all my gear and doing only reasonable melds on my MH/OH I managed to get 2544 Craft/2501 Control/538 CP base. With these stats I can get a near-dream rotation for the i450 gear that is 100% HQ from full NQ mats, no food, tea, or FC buffs AND uses Reuse. And is almost fully macro-able in 15 steps!
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...beaa421df9.jpg
The first 15 steps finish the quality and can be macro'd. Once the macro finishes you just hit Reuse if it procs, then another Basic Synth to finish. I tried to get the whole thing to 15 steps while still using Reuse, but it just doesn't seem possible...
With these stats, my current i460 gear rotation looks like this, and uses NQ Tempura Platter.
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...8c68a3d703.jpg
You can slap Innovation after the first Ingenuity for a couple thousand extra quality to prevent any Poor touches mucking things up, but you will have to use Blood Bouillabaisse instead of Tempura Platter for the extra CP.
And just for funsies, I wanted to see how far I could take my stats given absolute maximum buffs. The resulting rotation is pretty damn powerful and might even be just fine for 3 or even 4-star, depending on how things shake out down the line.
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...21ce458b0e.jpg
This uses my base stats above, plus specialist stats, plus grade II FC buffs, plus HQ Mejillones al Ajillo and a Cunning tea of your choice to wash it all down.
I should of course stress that these are rotations designed to use basically max melded i460 gear and should not even be attempted if you are queasy about blowing up enough materia to cause the next Umbral Calamity. -
11-10-2019, 10:23 AMAbelArchaniEACongratulations you learned how to copy, cut, and paste. Another pointless threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Aikaal
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11-10-2019, 10:41 AMEspritduoSeeing as they came up with the rotation themselves and are simply sharing it with the forums, the only thing they're doing is pasting what they've learned through actual crafting know-how. The only thing pointless here is your post and attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA