People want challenging end game content and

At the same time those people use their eden end game gears to cheese extreme primal with excessive dps numbers, then call everything easy. Some pfs are blocking non-savage gear players like crazy. I take long time to learn and figure out stuff, so I don't like the wipe fest of savage content, but I do like most of the extreme primal fights because they are less stressful to git gud at.

Hades EX pf:

Blind btw
Phase 1 prog btw
ilvl 460 btw
Day one btw

So I'm not allow to do the new EX primal unless I beat savage? Are people for real? I don't get why ilvl 460+ people don't just do it with their static and has to shxt on casual/mid-core players in pf.

just make your own party finder, problem solved

Oh man, a lot to unpack in this thread with just the first post.

So let's start with:

Current non-savage BiS iLvl is 460 (465 weapon from Hades, but I won't count that - obviously.), and parties don't have to cater specifically to you.

Make. Your. Own.

whats wrong with people doing the content with their best gear ?
if you don't have best gear like them, dont blame them on their hard earned gear, they deserve to use it

you say you take long time to learn and figure out stuff, so you'll have to expect to experience some of the wipefest, especially in the freshly released content, even on extreme mode,
or just wait until said content is farmable enough for most player (which you could probably get carried to clear without the wipefest ?)

Blind run is for those who enjoy figuring out stuffs
phase 1 prog, for real you complaint about pf who said they want to learn the first phase ?
ilv460 is for those who already prepared to enter hades ex (at least in the gear section)
day one, well, what do you expect on pf on the release day of content ?

just make your own pf if you want the same-minded people in your party

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

Oh man, a lot to unpack in this thread with just the first post.

So let's start with:

Current non-savage BiS iLvl is 460 (465 weapon from Hades, but I won't count that - obviously.), and parties don't have to cater specifically to you.

Make. Your. Own.

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with upgrade item needed for augmented deepshadow obtainable from alliance raid coin exchange and nuts exchange, we should be able to obtain some 470 ilv gear
not to mention the new gear from nier alliance raid, which I believe its ilv 465 (we could only get one per weeks, but still, could obtain it before entering hades ex to raise some ilv)
and counting how long we could collect phantasmagoria tomestone till now, I'd say ilv should not have been the problem

I don't have 460, but I could literally become 460 if I spent the 2000 tomes I have, for my RDM. At this point people should probably have at least 1 class in full 460, to be honest. I haven't played for months.. I already had the weapon and a few pieces of gear from back then.

Still, I am lazy, and gear score is fluff. Most players aren't very good even with the gear score. As suggested, probably just make your own, people would join it.

Just doing the phantasmagoria grind each week netted me a full set of 460 gear (except for my ring). After raid, I upgraded my chest piece to 470 and my crafted ring to 460 at vendor, putting me above the 460 ilvl requirement. I haven't done savage.

ppl ilv lock parties cuz if you dont u get people in ronkan and artifact gear (with some deepshadow to bring up the average obviously)

also being overgeared doesnt make you cheese tje fight until way later into the expansion. right now you just skip a couple mechanics at the end of each phase and enrage is more lenient with people dying but that's pretty much it

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

At the same time those people use their eden end game gears to cheese extreme primal with excessive dps numbers, then call everything easy. Some pfs are blocking non-savage gear players like crazy. I take long time to learn and figure out stuff, so I don't like the wipe fest of savage content, but I do like most of the extreme primal fights because they are less stressful to git gud at.

Hades EX pf:

Blind btw
Phase 1 prog btw
ilvl 460 btw
Day one btw

So I'm not allow to do the new EX primal unless I beat savage? Are people for real? I don't get why ilvl 460+ people don't just do it with their static and has to shxt on casual/mid-core players in pf.

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"Blind btw" - Whats your issue with that? People want to figure this fight out for themselves, without consulting a guide because thats more fun to them - is this a problem now...? Because in the past I was under the impression that PFs like "watch a guide/video" on day one where a lot more frowned upon. If you want to run this with people who have watched a video/guide and are only going to follow this: Make your own PF, stating that.
"Phase 1 prog btw" - again, whats the problem? The PF is only telling you how far that group already knows the fight so you can pick one that matches your own experience up to that point.
"ilvl 460 btw" - you dont need Savage gear to achieve that, tomestone gear is ilvl460 and with this patch the upgraded crafted gear is 460 aswell, same with the new 24-man-stuff, which will also give you a coin to upgrade a piece of tomestone-gear from 460 to 470, making it fairly easy for a non-savage-player to achieve and ilvl of 460. The fight itself will ask for 450 btw, full savage would be 470 - 460 seems like a very fair middleground to me that everyone whos been playing this game for the past weeks can achieve easly. If you dont: Make your own PF asking for 450.
"Day one btw" - Yes - and? Non of these things you listed above are clashing with that: People want blind runs, some with progress in early phases of the fight and with an ilvl that any "dedicated casual" player will have.

You're allowed to:
-make your own PF
-queue for it through the DF
-join a PF that fits you

And to answer your question: My static was missing two people on tuesday so we filled the open spots via PF. Going in blind. On day one. How dare we!

Just let them have their PF, they probably set it at 460 to keep the "bads" out even though just because you have savage gear doesn't make you good.

Honestly I wish there was a way to set the PF requirements to "Must know how to stand in assigned circles" but I feel like that's a bit beyond the skill level of most pug groups.

On Crystal, I haven't noticed this being that prevalent. I saw one ilvl 465 learning group, but that was it.

Something this new and sought after, you won't wait long if you setup a PF.

No one's shitting on anyone, people just don't have time to teach someone how to dodge or to not stand in stuff.

If I'm an elitist for asking for the bare minimum then so be it, but if I I feel some people will waste my time in my pf group they're getting the boot.

This is all easily fixed by you making your own btw.

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

So I'm not allow to do the new EX primal unless I beat savage?

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Only person stopping you is you.

Start your own group. Set your own parameters.

Hades EX isn't challenging

It is a fun fight, was really fun going in blind and learning every mechanic step by step (with my static) but yeah it isn't really hard, all mechanics are easily done.
Now we just blaze trough it in around 11 mins.

Also why shouldn't I use my 470 gear & titan weapon? Not our fault that Hades ex wasn't overtuned for 470 Ilvl.
If SE would do that they would get a lot of hate of not making it casual friendly.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

Hades EX isn't challenging

It is a fun fight, was really fun going in blind and learning every mechanic step by step (with my static) but yeah it isn't really hard, all mechanics are easily done.
Now we just blaze trough it in around 11 mins.

Also why shouldn't I use my 470 gear & titan weapon? Not our fault that Hades ex wasn't overtuned for 470 Ilvl.
If SE would do that they would get a lot of hate of not making it casual friendly.

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I have absolutely nothing against blind prog at all and I prefer it. The problem is even some blind fresh prog are being set at ilvl 460+ when EX itself is being set at requiring i450 BY THE DEV. This was on Primal DC. There were several.
It's your choice to cheese and blaze through it with savage gear with your own static circle for all I care. You can be whatever high ilvl you want to be in pug, but pugs setting it beyond default requirement is just stupid. Especially for content not even a week old. What ever, some people are now thinking you need +10 more ilvl to do contents like this. It's sad.

What make you think 8 people that dont even do savage nor collect tomestone with iL 450 can clear extreme with MINIMAL iLevel? You get free 460 by trading tomestone, You can buy 450 crafter gear and trade it for 460, you can get 1 460 from Alliance raid... no excuse... extreme is HIGH-END contents after all...

FYI savage player is 470 ATM... while people who dont do savage is probably 461 so 460 is actually expected much.

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

I have absolutely nothing against blind prog at all and I prefer it. The problem is even some blind fresh prog are being set at ilvl 460+ when EX itself is being set at requiring i450 BY THE DEV. This was on Primal DC. There were several.
It's your choice to cheese and blaze through it with savage gear with your own static circle for all I care. You can be whatever high ilvl you want to be in pug, but pugs setting it beyond default requirement is just stupid. Especially for content not even a week old. What ever, some people are now thinking you need +10 more ilvl to do contents like this. It's sad.

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If you think its stupid you can set up a PF with an ilvl of 450 /shrug.

An ilvl of 460 is extremly achievable - after the patch even more before it, but you dont need Savage-gear to reach that. Anyone can get a tomestone set easly and thats all you need to get that ilvl.
Beating an EX-primal with minimum ilvl is a challenge and probably not one you want to trust randoms with...

Setting the ilvl at 460 also has another sad reason: Its the only way to ensure that people have gear fo that ilvl in every slot. Setting the ilvl to 450 is carrying the risk that people will achieve that not by having 450-gear in every slot, but a potential mix of ronka- and deepshadow-gear. With ronka being in the important slots - left side, weapon - and deepshadow pushing the ilvl but only covering the lesser slots - right side, belt. I've seen this far, far to often to not be catious about it...

And as far as I can tell those PFs with this "stupid" ilvl setting are filling up - which tells me that enough people have that ilvl to justify setting it that high.
The minimum ilvl is the minimum - aka the devs telling you "we dont believe you can beat it with less", not "you really dont need more than that"! Its them telling you that you dont even need to attempt this content with less than 450 - not them telling you that you're entitled to join anyones party if you reach that ilvl.

What exactly is your problem here? You don't like the fact that other people are looking for people with certain parameters? Ok, they are in no way obligated to cater to your needs, you can make your own group with your parameters and see if anyone joins. What exatly is the point in this post? To vent that you don't like their parameters? That's too bad, nothing can be done about that. The reason why part of my static put 465 to the ilvl limit was to get players that have done savage to join, while it doesn't quarantee their skill it raises the chances of them being a good player significantly, we wanted to have a good time going in blind with competent players.

They are just making their PF as they like it. You can do the same.

I always get a kick out of those types.

Only accepts high-parsing players into the static, uses voice comms and triggers
"OMG, too easy"

Duh? Content wasn't designed for that setup.

Huh? I haven’t seen a hades party over 450 yet and most have no requirement, phase one can be completed in literally 3-5 pulls. Average savage player is 470 btw but yea don’t be silly also look at the duty minimum Ilvl people usually aim a bit higher then that....

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I don't have 460, but I could literally become 460 if I spent the 2000 tomes I have, for my RDM. At this point people should probably have at least 1 class in full 460, to be honest.

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I will have all i470 but my weapon will still be i440, and later crafted 450 when prices drop a bit, or maybe something better through crafting, I don'tknow. I don't do savage content.. and that Hades Extreme or whatever, sounds like need a static :/. I just wait for next tome tier to get a weapon, or a dungeon wep stronger than my current, (not from Grand Cosmos because no weapons drop from it).

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

I have absolutely nothing against blind prog at all and I prefer it. The problem is even some blind fresh prog are being set at ilvl 460+ when EX itself is being set at requiring i450 BY THE DEV. This was on Primal DC. There were several.
It's your choice to cheese and blaze through it with savage gear with your own static circle for all I care. You can be whatever high ilvl you want to be in pug, but pugs setting it beyond default requirement is just stupid. Especially for content not even a week old. What ever, some people are now thinking you need +10 more ilvl to do contents like this. It's sad.

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Yeah I am also on Primal and saw those guess what I did? Made my own. Went into blind prog with the ilvl at 455 had 0 issues with anyone since they respected the content and we got far, if you want something done instead of coming to the forums make your own group.

And there's nothing wrong with ilvl 460 gear you can set it to whatever you want just be prepared and invest the time 460 is perfectly reasonable if you've been playing since the 460 tome gear release you should at least be close to 460 it just requires you logging in and doing expert once a day or doing other activities it's not asking a lot.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

I will have all i470 but my weapon will still be i440, and later crafted 450 when prices drop a bit, or maybe something better through crafting, I don'tknow. I don't do savage content.. and that Hades Extreme or whatever, sounds like need a static :/. I just wait for next tome tier to get a weapon, or a dungeon wep stronger than my current, (not from Grand Cosmos because no weapons drop from it).

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Are you aware that you can get the 460 tomestone-weapon by collecting weekly tokens from E4 NM?

I think its been reduced to needing 4 tokens now, so... 4 weeks of E4 NM - not Savage, just the normal mode! - and 1000 tomestones and you got yoruself an ilvl 460 weapon.