BLU Tanking

Since they are going to be wanting us to get together as a group of BLUs to learn our spells from now on I hope they make BLU actually able to tank.

When I tried a party of BLUs when it came out the tank was still getting ripped through like paper even with Mighty Guard.

I think they should change Mighty Guard so that it gives you the defense of a tank, as well as the Shadowbringer tank treatment of not lowering your damage, and making all your spells generate threat.

Maybe there will be a new spell that does this, but if not, I hope they make this change.

Mighty Guard does need a boost on defense really really badlt

I think Mighty Guard still needs to have some kind of damage debuff on it so it's not strictly beneficial to keep on at all times but it definitely needs to have an increase to its mitigation so BLU can actually survive tank mechanics properly; especially if they intend for us to be doing the HW EX trials with it.

Honestly, I don't think it needs more than a 5-10% reduction at most along with a good boost in HP and a couple of new functional mitigations and a tank swap. You could also apply an "only two Mighty Guards can be active per party" limitation, but I'm not sure that's even necessary, heck if a group of BLU want to be super tanky dps why not.
I don't see the point in overbalancing a class that should have been OP and fun for tearing through old content with other BLU's and crazy spells.

The patch notes reek of trying to bring even further balance to what could have been a fun class. No more self-destruct fun, aoe much weaker, vulnerability debuffs and damage buffs watered down significantly. The potency buffs just mask the issue that we still have like 20 abilities that are 200-220 clones of each other.

I can see BLU being even less fun to play unless we get some crazy new stuff and it was already in a bad state.

What BLU needs is all purpose gear, like the Field Commander gear, and more aggro generation skills ( An easy fix to do is change Mighty Aggro to make all skills generate aggro like all other Tank Stances).

They have plenty of AoE and CC abilities to pull off tanking, just the caster armor is really squishy even with Mighty Guard and their Aggro generation is lackluster outside of White Wind Spam, which drains your MP real quick.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

What BLU needs is all purpose gear, like the Field Commander gear, and more aggro generation skills ( An easy fix to do is change Mighty Aggro to make all skills generate aggro like all other Tank Stances).

They have plenty of AoE and CC abilities to pull off tanking, just the caster armor is really squishy even with Mighty Guard and their Aggro generation is lackluster outside of White Wind Spam, which drains your MP real quick.

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Mighty Guard does increase aggro from all skills, the -70% damage is whats holding back the aggro gen, although you can just spam The Look and you'll be fine on aggro

As for the the actual Tankyness of Mighty Guard, the 40% damage reduction is probably fine because I don't think the differnce in passive mitigation of mage armour and tank armour is that much, but what they do need is some defensive CD's other than diamondback and most importantly a health boost because while passively the damage taken by the BLU will be about the same or even more than a tank, theyre still getting hit for a much larger percent of their maximum health than a tank is do to the measly offerings of Vit on Mage gear.

So they probably need to add a +30/40% max Hp buff to mightyguard and then add some more defensive CDs.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

Mighty Guard does increase aggro from all skills, the -70% damage is whats holding back the aggro gen, although you can just spam The Look and you'll be fine on aggro

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The 70% damage reduction is really stupid. Old tank stance (PLD,WAR,DRK) was 20%. GTFO with 70% damage reduction.

IF they're going to keep it that way, they need specific spells to bypass it, like Ice Spikes or Whorl and an aoe of some sort (bad breath)

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

Mighty Guard does increase aggro from all skills, the -70% damage is whats holding back the aggro gen, although you can just spam The Look and you'll be fine on aggro

As for the the actual Tankyness of Mighty Guard, the 40% damage reduction is probably fine because I don't think the differnce in passive mitigation of mage armour and tank armour is that much, but what they do need is some defensive CD's other than diamondback and most importantly a health boost because while passively the damage taken by the BLU will be about the same or even more than a tank, theyre still getting hit for a much larger percent of their maximum health than a tank is do to the measly offerings of Vit on Mage gear.

So they probably need to add a +30/40% max Hp buff to mightyguard and then add some more defensive CDs.

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Yeah, I failed to notice the aggro generation from Mighty Guard because it just doesn't seem all that impactful with the huge DPS cut it comes with.

As for Tankiness, that could easily be rectified by SE adjusting Ice Spike and/or Veil of the Whorl to be defensive CDs if they really wanted to but I do disagree in regards to gear in that BLU being strapped with Caster Gear vs Tank gear does negatively impact how potent a tank they can actually be, even if its only by minute amounts; it also doesn't help that BLU weapons have no stats at all either so I still feel having a more universal gear set for BLU, with a healthy blend of Tank/Healer/Caster stats wouldn't be breaking the bank in terms of what could help BLU Tanks be more useful.

BLU tanking need some upgrades, Mighty Guard especially.

Something like have Mighty Guard boost the BLU so they tank as well as a or close to a normal tank, then give it some defensive abilities. I think they need some kind of -dmg%(don't have to be 70% though) so not everyone in the party uses it all the time. It should be for when you need to tank mobs. Furthermore, have Mighty Guard give an increased chance to not be interrupted when casting spells.

I can see BLU tank with this change be very different from the normal tanks we have. While the DMG of the BLU-tank is low, they should focus on the different debuff spells that would normally be a dmg-loss for normal play.
Start out with Ram's Voice for the deep freeze and use The Look(should ignore Mighty Guard -dmg%), reapply deep freeze as needed. Once enemies start resisting deep freeze, switch over to Bad Breath(dmg down, paralyze, etc.) Ice Spikes(slow, should also ignore Mighty Guard -dmg%), Veil of the Whorl(counter, should also ignore Mighty Guard -dmg%), Ink Jet(Blind), Mind Blast(long paralyze).
This creates a tank that instead of just using CDs to reduce the damage the tank takes, it would create a tank that reduces the damage the enemies deal. Of course bosses will resist a lot of the debuffs, so the BLU will need a few direct defensive buffs.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The 70% damage reduction is really stupid. Old tank stance (PLD,WAR,DRK) was 20%. GTFO with 70% damage reduction.

IF they're going to keep it that way, they need specific spells to bypass it, like Ice Spikes or Whorl and an aoe of some sort (bad breath)

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You forget that BLU is a DPS not a tank. Tanks did less damage than DPS without tank stance on.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You forget that BLU is a DPS not a tank. Tanks did less damage than DPS without tank stance on.

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A tank with tank stance on still did way more damage than a BLU with mighty on tho

To make BLU tanking a thing they'd need to tweak spell even more so than they currently are.

A few change that would have helped a lot

Ice Spike : Make it an ogcd, it does less damage than any other AoE anyway so it's just for the debuff. Buff the chance to 100%
Blood Drain : Give it a small CD and increase its effect while under Mighty Guard so that BLU has a form of self sustain

Transfusion : Instead of being a one shot make it an actual heal so that BLU can heal directly the tank without relying on their current hp (a bit of an issue when dealing with boss doing raid wide damage)

Add a few effect to help BLU tank and Heal in general on different spells... (can pick any tbh they're all the same)

That would already help a lot for dungeon in general.

But there's been no proper change beside potency up. Every spell are a carbon copy of the last one with a different potency value and element (only usable in the mascarade). Nearly no spell interact with one another and only the EX spells are ogcd.

They can't really expect us to use 24 different spells, on the gcd, without cd...

BLU needs a lot of love with the next set of spells, it needs a proper mitigation tool other than diamondback, it needs proper healing other than white wind, it needs a raise or reraise, it needs a provoke and with the changes to off guard and peculiar light mighty guard should be tweaked to reflect it.

If they want blu’s to run as a party they need to make sure it has the tools to play something other than dps role effectively.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The 70% damage reduction is really stupid. Old tank stance (PLD,WAR,DRK) was 20%. GTFO with 70% damage reduction.

IF they're going to keep it that way, they need specific spells to bypass it, like Ice Spikes or Whorl and an aoe of some sort (bad breath)

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It was -70% to compensate for off guard being +50% (equaling out to roughly -20%) but now off guard is being changed to just +5% and shares a cd with peculiar light to boot so mighty guard should really lose the -70% altogether and just be increased enmity and reduce damage taken.

I actually had a lot of fun tanking on blu when it first dropped. My strategy was to wear vit accessories and use Diamondhide at the right moments during boss rotation. You definitely have to pay more attention than a regular tank would, but I thought it was a nice spin on tanking in a game where everyone says "all tanks are the same." What I do feel like it needs is better hate management. (provoke,single target hate spells, white wind hate generation severely reduced) I'd be fine with a mighty guard rework. But I'd hope the damage reduction part of it is a little less gross.