I really hope Trusts get more attention. I think I saw a few new possible permanent Trusts in the trailers. That, and I've been thinking, maybe once you complete your level 80 class quest, you then get your main teacher as a Trust you can bring along with you. I've also been thinking about adding a way to change the main character Trusts between their old and new classes. (Thancred to Rogue, Y'shtola to White Mage. So on.) Any other Trust ideas you all have?
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10-25-2019, 10:43 AMLeonTrifangTrusts!
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10-25-2019, 03:58 PMRicaRuin
I have a lot of ideas, but Yoshida was asked about more Trusts in an interview and stated that they can't add too many and new ones only spread over time because it's a lot of development cost.
That being said... give me all the Ishgardians. -
10-25-2019, 05:50 PMEloah
Honestly, we shouldn't have too many trusts, otherwise, the system and the structure will become tedious. At the moment, adding in the two Trusts we lost, and eventually, maybe, adding a Trust for each job would be nice. Additionally, if they just add Trust for the sake of adding them, it'll feel odd. At the moment they feel natural, and add a bit more to the illusion that these are actual party members. But, maybe adjust a few of their skills here and there... some AoE might be nice.
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10-25-2019, 09:55 PMLeonTrifang
I didn't think about the overall feel. You aren't wrong. Too many would cause it to feel odd. I'd say just the normal characters, then stop. (Lord Hien, Estinien, Lyse, and so on.)
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10-26-2019, 12:58 AMElkanah
I'm only disappointed that we lose the Exarch. That's ALL I want. The guy plays multiple slots, which makes him the jack of trades to all party comps pre ending SHB final dungeon. That's what bothers me the most. I NEED HIM ADDED BACK TO MY PARTY Q_Q
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10-26-2019, 08:25 AMEloahGood news it looks like he is back, kinda. Wont know until the patch drops but they showed a new mode for the Trust system, allowing you to redo dungeons like it was the first time again. And the showcased dungeon is Holminster Switch. They also mentioned they had no plans to add in new Trusts at this time, but they clarify that G'raha is not a new trust; yes they refer to him by name in the patch notes. No words on Lyna, but I would like to think the same rules apply to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkanah
Also on a side note, please bring her back. I am starting to dislike Viera again, and she quelled the "rage" in not only me, but many players after that fiasco. -
10-26-2019, 09:01 AMMhaericI definitely read one function of the Scenario tab as being able to run the dungeon with the exact same options and Trust levels you had when doing it through the story before you completed the msq. I.e. a sort of NG+ version for the Trust system and you would be limited to these Trusts at these specific levels for each instance:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
Holminster Switch: Level 71 Crystal Exarch, Alphinaud, Alisaie, Lyna
Dohn Mheg: Level 73 Thancred, Urianger, Alphinaud, Alisaie, Minfilia
The Qitana Ravel: Level 75 Thancred, Urianger, Y'shtola, Minfilia
Malikah's Well: Level 77 Thancred, Urianger, Alphinaud, Alisaie, Y'shtola, Ryne
Mt. Gulg: Level 79 Thancred, Urianger, Alphinaud, Alisaie, Y'shtola, Ryne
Amaurot: Level 80 Thancred, Urianger, Alphinaud, Alisaie, Y'shtola, Ryne
More importantly, the other function of the Scenario tab will be to run the new level 80 MSQ dungeons with whichever specific Trust NPCs are associated with them.
The Avatars tab is the current system we have after completing the MSQ and that is the 6 Trusts that we level from 71-80. It may eventually gain additional Trust characters, but for now I'm pretty sure it's not changing aside from likely getting new level 80 MSQ dungeons included as well.
tl'dr version: The scenario tab is the Trust functionality from before you finish the MSQ and the avatar tab is the functionality from after you finish the MSQ. -
10-26-2019, 09:32 AMMirassou
Lyna and Exarch please (I really loved Lyna as well as Exarch) - that would be great!
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10-27-2019, 12:14 AMAnimaAnimus
The less the better, I really hate having to level Trusts up individually. It's tedious busy work, esp with as long as a single dungeon takes with them, so the fewer we need to level up the better imo.
They honestly should just do away with the trust leveling system and let us just use them when they are needed, then they could add as many as they want. -
10-27-2019, 12:31 AMBrightshadow
I want tataru as a trust
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10-27-2019, 01:48 AMRisvertasashiYou know... as much as I appreciate their desire to integrate trusts into the story and give them in-dungeon dialogue and all of that. I can't help but think they should have just extended squadrons a bit, or even just made the trusts a bit more generic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicaRuin
Yeah, the fluff is cool, but I would rather be able to use trusts/NPCs in more content. -
10-27-2019, 10:05 AMIscahDid they? They've put a screenshot of him unmasked tight there at the top of the page, but I don't see him being referred to by name. Just a generic statement that scenario trusts are available again, and a screenshot of Lyna and the Exarch available on the trust menu exactly as they were at that point in the story, long before his identity was revealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
Anyway, as of the end of 5.0 at least, it seems that he regards "the Exarch" as his true identity now, and continues to be labelled as such in his dialogue boxes and overhead name tag. -
10-27-2019, 05:02 PMEloahCrap you're right. Either it was removed for spoilers, but then again why show a picture of him, or I'm merging two bit of info. But I did see it from some "official" source, but now I can't remember. I just remember it stating he's not a new trust, and the spelled his name without to apostrophe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
Also regardless of how he is labeled in game, the message I read was addressed to the players. Aside from trying to avoid spoilers, I don't know anyone who really refers to him as The Exarch, even before the dramatic unrevealed, lol -
10-27-2019, 07:27 PMIscahMust have been removed quite quickly if it was ever in the patch notes. I don't remember seeing it, and as I said before (and unless it's changed in-game in 5.1), it seems to be convention to keep calling him the Exarch officially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
Probably futile spoiler box, but anyway...
Also if the information you saw was calling him "Graha" without the apostrophe (and without the "Tia"?), I doubt it was official - or if so, they didn't proofread it properly. You might be getting confused with something else.
Personally I alternate between referring to him as G'raha Tia or the Exarch (or occasionally mashing them together into G'raha Exarch*) depending on context. If I need to specify I'm talking about that older version of him, or I'm talking about the characters' understanding of the situation... eg. it's a technicality, but I would say that the WoL is friends with G'raha Tia, but the other Scions only know the Exarch.
It also feels like the 'correct' way of addressing him at this point? If you talk to him post-credits and call him G'raha Tia, he says how strange it is to be called by that name now. Maybe he'll get used to it again, but for now calling him Exarch just seems like the equivalent of referring to someone by the correct name/title. (For that matter, it's why I'll tend to use "G'raha Tia" instead of "G'raha" when I do call him that, unless it seems awkward in a casual mention - he seems to be referred to by full name more often than not, and definitely the three times our character has spoken his name in selectable dialogue. (It's one of those things I'm meaning to ask about next time they do a lore Q&A, but it seems that Sunseeker titles are treated more like part of their forename than a surname. It might be dropped in casual dialogue, but not formally.)
* "G'raha Exarch" is kind of technically in the spirit of canon formatting for Sunseeker names (Tia and Nunh being titles/ranks rather than personal names) but there is no canon basis for swapping in other custom titles like this. Still, it seemed logical enough to use in times where it does seem right to call him by name but I also want to specify I'm talking about the Exarch and not his younger self. I feel like it's closer to correct than the other option of "Exarch G'raha" at any rate. -
10-27-2019, 08:15 PMLalafellDown
Tataru as the next trust
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10-28-2019, 07:31 AMSylvain"savage mode unlocked"Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightshadow
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12-17-2019, 08:59 PMtdb
Poor Tataru, she'd be terrified out of her mind.
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12-24-2019, 03:22 AMEnigmaticDodo
My trust idea: Make them do AOEs on 3+ Targets constantly. Runs take forever.
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12-24-2019, 04:13 AMMhaericThat's by design or people would never queue for dungeons through DF.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo
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12-24-2019, 01:54 PMNicodemus_Mercy
I just wish that squadrons or trusts had dungeons from 61-70. That gap from 61-70 kinda sucks.
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12-24-2019, 07:19 PMEnigmaticDodoI mean, I guess you have a point. I just wish there was a viable alternative to sitting in queues for 20-30 as a solo DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
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12-24-2019, 11:18 PMNicodemus_MercyWell if you're doing trusts as DPS... aren't you bringing a fair chunk of aoe to the table? I mean, a group is comprised of a Tank, Healer, and two dps. And while tanks and healers do contribute aoe dps in normal dungeons, the bulk of the damage comes from the two DPS jobs (or at least it should -_-). I get that you being the only aoe dps in a trust group isn't going to make it as fast as a standard player group, but I've found that when doing trusts I generally take about 25-30 minutes to clear, vs. the 15-20 minutes a standard player dungeon run takes. That 10 minutes extra a trust dungeon takes is still less time than sitting in queue as DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo
The real slow down is when you do trusts as a tank or healer... then there's very little aoe dps comparatively speaking >_< -
12-25-2019, 11:58 PMEnigmaticDodo
Yeah, I am the primary source of AOES as a DPS, but I don't know. I guess I have a personal expectation of how long things should take from doing those dungeons normally however many times now and those Trust runs aren't close. if the AI doing AOES consistently isn't coming anytime soon, Trusts just aren't for me I guess. The only way they'd be appealing to me personally is if I just AFK'd them.
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12-26-2019, 02:58 AMNicodemus_MercyTry to look at it this way... it's an instant queue, you get to keep all the loot, and if you actually have to stop for a bio/phone/snack, no one will be mad that you're holding things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo
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01-03-2020, 06:43 AMdaespinoza
Make "Avatar Glamour Prisms" to make your entire part of trusts look like Hoary Boulder
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01-05-2020, 02:47 PMNicodemus_MercyI'd be happy if we could simply glam our trusts like we do certain other npc's. Thancred needs to show more skin ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by daespinoza
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01-12-2020, 11:42 AMTracewoodPalace of the Dead and Heaven on High, though seems we have to wait for the X.3 patches for the "Deep Dungeon" content.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo
Y'know... maybe they should make future story and side dungeons populate like "Deep Dungeons"... It would take a lot of rework to tweak older dungeons, but it would all but eliminate the need for the 2 dps, tank, healer matchmake in duty finder. -
02-27-2020, 06:42 AMKevin_Aros
People need to realize that not everyone enjoys using the Duty Finder for Public User Groups to do content with, Nor people have friends in this to bother to do dungeons with
I feel that Trust was made for those who don't like going in with PUGs in SHB Dungeons and I gladly support it
Yeah it should have a similar A.I tweaking like Squadron behaviors so their stats can be improved
But regarding more Party Members, I feel that the Job NPCs should be included and The True Friend Achievement only apply to The Scions, I would gladly take Fray from the DRK quests with me in dungeons along with X'rhun Tia and maybe Raya-o-Senna to heal me
But then they'd need to make lines and possibly add voice acting to them, Which honestly, I've been wanting to the Job NPCs be voiced over and I think Steve Blum would be great for Fray -
05-14-2020, 12:34 PMTR_RA
their damage needs to get buffed up...... again -.- still like 35min on avg to do one of these b/c it's single target 95% of the time. it's incredibly sad.
and yet, BLM RDM NIN... all jobs with decent, if not top notch, AOE and it's not even really used by them. -
05-24-2020, 01:46 AMLiam_HarperLike they never queue for 20-60 dungeon finder when Offensive 5 squadrons exist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
At the very least let us unlock traits when we get all Trust members to 80, that unlock aoe abilities and similar traits to squadron mastery, so we can augment them if we're willing to work for it.