Dark Knight Blood Weapon

Dear SE. Please do with Blood Weapon what you are doing with Bunshin. Make it give 5 stacks to get the gcds in instead of it being on a timer cause it feels like the timer on blood weapon is slightly shorter than 10 sec. This would help with people that may have latency and a great quality of life change!

that's... would be nice actually if they are going to stick with this TA slave desing, it would be nice if Delirium interact with blood weapon again somehow but god know i pray for his old iteraction return along with delirium.

the current iteration is fine for DRK. Its actually really good. But the fact that blood weapon is super bugged with its timer and since their goal is to get 5gcds in anyways, might as well make it to where we can get those gcds everytime regardless of ping

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Originally Posted by MenmaEmiya

the current iteration is fine for DRK. Its actually really good. But the fact that blood weapon is super bugged with its timer and since their goal is to get 5gcds in anyways, might as well make it to where we can get those gcds everytime regardless of ping

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"It's not working right but it's fine! Stop complaining!"

Yes, that's the point of asking to make it just give n charges to guarantee those actions will get the BW bonuses. An incredible simple QoL that shouldn't take an entire expac to do like making your first blood gauge skill bloodspiller instead of quietus.

I also thought that would be the (only) real solution even before they announced the Bunshin change.
Get 5 stacks for ~15/20s duration before they expire.

That way, we'll finally be able to get 5 aoe spells into Blood weapon <-- WAR always gets 50 gauge with Infuriate, but DRK can't during aoe?
(I mean really? Has nobody in the SE design team thought that it just might be impossible to get 5 spell of 2.5s GCD into Blood weapon? Are they blind?)

Right now DRK just sucks because of bad it feels to play it... most of the feelings might be because of nostalgia, but Blood Weapon can only ever be good if it restores HP based on the amount of damage you dealt like the OG Bloodbath skill that DRK could cross class, and lasts 15 seconds... and that only fixes one of the many problems...

BW is not bugged but it works differently than Delirium/Inner Release. Del checks early, on client side, if you can use the skill so fitting all 5 is pretty easy but BW checks the mana regen with damage on server side so the check is waaaaay later and, with that, easier to mess up. I have very good ping and I mess that up way more often than I would like to.

I feel like the problem of that would be solved with giving it stacks instead of a timer. Kinda like atonement.

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Originally Posted by MenmaEmiya

Dear SE. Please do with Blood Weapon what you are doing with Bunshin. Make it give 5 stacks to get the gcds in instead of it being on a timer cause it feels like the timer on blood weapon is slightly shorter than 10 sec. This would help with people that may have latency and a great quality of life change!

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Really good idea and hope they do it. Current Blood Weapon is rough unless you have higher SS tiers.

Anything that reduces ping reliance, while also not buffing/nerfing a class is typically a good plan. You have my support.

DRK is in good shape, no matter how many complains there is on the forum, it is first-second the most played job in all the content, anyway this small BW change would be cool.

Warrior is the job that needs help the most, it got nerfed to the ground with shady scaling changes and he only lost depth and got nothing in the return.

If was in good shape there wouldn't be complains about it like with PLD, DRK lose more depth this expansion that WAR, basically it have none outside of TBN.

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Originally Posted by shao32

If was in good shape there wouldn't be complains about it like with PLD, DRK lose more depth this expansion that WAR, basically it have none outside of TBN.

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Someone makes a resonable suggestion for DRK that wouldn't do but be a QoL change for a skill that even detractors say "isn't bugged," and yet still say "no it's fine just adjust to how the skill functions." While admitting the skill isn't functioning how it should.

Man these forums are filled with absolute people.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Someone makes a resonable suggestion for DRK that wouldn't do but be a QoL change for a skill that even detractors say "isn't bugged," and yet still say "no it's fine just adjust to how the skill functions." While admitting the skill isn't functioning how it should.

Man these forums are filled with absolute people.

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There sre a lot of skills that relay on ping and server ticks, its just the game gimmick that has little to no impact on performance.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

There sre a lot of skills that relay on ping and server ticks, its just the game gimmick that has little to no impact on performance.

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Except when a vast majority of people have stated they cannot fit 5 actions into blood weapon windows. Just because other skills work correctly doesn't mean BW couldn't do with a tweak, and making it such that your next 5 weaponskills/spells will benefit from BW without fail is far from a gamebreaking, balance shattering request.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

There sre a lot of skills that relay on ping and server ticks, its just the game gimmick that has little to no impact on performance.

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Oh please, when you have skills like anatman which requires you to know the timing of server ticks spot on to have an optimal monk opener which makes or breaks their DPS hugely is not a gimmick that has "no impact on performance".

Mudras and bunshin are another example and it wasn't fun utilizing them, why do you think Ninjas is getting a massive change in how both skills work? Bunshin worked the same way blood weapon works (which now in 5.1 it's just 5 gcds instead of 10s) and it wasn't fun not being able to fit 5 gcds in it because of ticks and mudra clipping.

The fact is blood weapon is a big issue in how it works, if you don't have 2.38 GCD or lower you will have a hard time fitting 5 GCDs under it, which is important because blood weapom gives you 10 gauge and if your just gonna miss the 5th gcd every time throughout a 10 minute fight you're gonna lose 100 gauge which is a big loss in DPS performance.

Even I who loves DRK and good ping and 2.38 gcd have issues with BW. I have to delay BW a little over half before my GCD refreshes to activate in order to get 5 gcds in and it still feels tight, that isn't fun it sucks especially since DRK can be very double weave heavy. BW just needs to change into like how bunshin is gonna work which is what most other DRK players all really just want.

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Originally Posted by Arya_Leviathan

Oh please, when you have skills like anatman which requires you to know the timing of server ticks spot on to have an optimal monk opener which makes or breaks their DPS hugely is not a gimmick that has "no impact on performance".

Mudras and bunshin are another example and it wasn't fun utilizing them, why do you think Ninjas is getting a massive change in how both skills work? Bunshin worked the same way blood weapon works (which now in 5.1 it's just 5 gcds instead of 10s) and it wasn't fun not being able to fit 5 gcds in it because of ticks and mudra clipping.

The fact is blood weapon is a big issue in how it works, if you don't have 2.38 GCD or lower you will have a hard time fitting 5 GCDs under it, which is important because blood weapom gives you 10 gauge and if your just gonna miss the 5th gcd every time throughout a 10 minute fight you're gonna lose 100 gauge which is a big loss in DPS performance.

Even I who loves DRK and good ping and 2.38 gcd have issues with BW. I have to delay BW a little over half before my GCD refreshes to activate in order to get 5 gcds in and it still feels tight, that isn't fun it sucks especially since DRK can be very double weave heavy. BW just needs to change into like how bunshin is gonna work which is what most other DRK players all really just want.

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Have I ever mentioned that I hate double weaving oGCDs? That never feels fun with a 2.4 or faster GCD, and having a slow GCD just to double weave or even triple weave oGCDs means you will clip way more than you probably should because you want a really good parse on fflogs or some **** which most people either don't care about and just want to play the game, or use said fflogs to abuse party finder or the upcoming fellowship system, because they want a bigger number to show off to people who don't even really care...

Glad I wasn't the only one who felt how clunky Blood Weapon is, nothing hurts more than losing 10 blood because of server ticks/ping. I'm all for the ability working like Atonement itd give DRK more engaging gameplay and being able to control BW more vs the coin flip it is unless you have a high SS tier would be 100% better.

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Originally Posted by Awful

Glad I wasn't the only one who felt how clunky Blood Weapon is, nothing hurts more than losing 10 blood because of server ticks/ping. I'm all for the ability working like Atonement itd give DRK more engaging gameplay and being able to control BW more vs the coin flip it is unless you have a high SS tier would be 100% better.

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Current Blood Weapon is but one of many problems and like I said before; it needs to last longer, and have the Bloodbath effect that WAR has Nascent Flash, because WARs totally needed that back, even though lore wise they shouldn't even have it(I will always be salty about that)...

The Blackest Night being DPS neutral if it breaks and being DPS loss if it falls off should not be a thing!
I can see it being DPS neutral if it falls off and DPS gain if it breaks, but I don't like The Blackest Night the way it is now....

Darkside no longer being an actual toggle makes DRK worse and I generally no longer have a reason to maintain Darkside because it doesn't interact with anything... in fact I would probably like Living Shadow, that one ability I hate the most if it was Darkside upgraded into and I had to maintain Living Shadow like it was still Darkside!

They could nerf the cure potency on Abyssal Drain to 25 and make it GCD and it would still be too strong in AoE because healers need to heal more!

Living Dead; just make it more like Holmgang minus the debuff part...(we're already a bad re-skin of WAR so might as well go all the way)

Dark Mind is useless in dungeons, just give us back Dark Dance AND Dark Passenger already, PLEASE!

Bring back Dark arts as a button and have Dark Arts upgrade into Delirium and give Delirium a better effect that isn't "Fell Cleave Spam DRK Edition" please!

I would rather have DPS neutral aggro combo that is Spinning Slash and Power Slash over current Delirium!

That wouldn't help.

You already need enough skill speed in order to hit 5 bloodspillers during Delirium, and its basically the same amount of sks needed for hitting 5 gcd's in blood weapon.

Lets get them to fix blood weapon first instead, or give 5 charges to both BW and delirium because they're effectively the same skill in that regard.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

You already need enough skill speed in order to hit 5 bloodspillers during Delirium, and its basically the same amount of sks needed for hitting 5 gcd's in blood weapon.

Lets get them to fix blood weapon first instead, or give 5 charges to both BW and delirium because they're effectively the same skill in that regard.

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The 'real' duration of BW is off, that's why for Delirium it's easier to fit your 5th GCD.
Here some examples: Please, review Blood Weapon buff time and Blood Weapon Issue

Second, Blood weapon is used for AOE spells, too. And those don't benefit from SkS, so fitting 5 GCDs into BW is not the same as fitting 5 BS/Quietus into Delirium. If you want to fix it w/o charges, you would've to increase its duration by at least 1s.

Lastly I wonder if that would fix the problem with ping. I know there are high ping friendly openers, but even those with good connection who can double weave during BW tend to fail hitting their 5th GCD in BW if unlucky. 0.1s doesn't hurt during Delirium as much as it does during BW due to the first issue.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Except when a vast majority of people have stated they cannot fit 5 actions into blood weapon windows. Just because other skills work correctly doesn't mean BW couldn't do with a tweak, and making it such that your next 5 weaponskills/spells will benefit from BW without fail is far from a gamebreaking, balance shattering request.

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Its because Blood weapon has really clunky and long casting time that has been made when it was 20 second buff.
It has nothing to do with server ticks, otherwise warrior would not be able to fit 5x or DRK wouldnt be able to use blood spiller 5x on delirium.

I have just tested it, Blood weapon animation clutter is the main villain here, it prevents DRK from using GCD way longer than delirium does.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Its because Blood weapon has really clunky and long casting time that has been made when it was 20 second buff.
It has nothing to do with server ticks, otherwise warrior would not be able to fit 5x or DRK wouldnt be able to use blood spiller 5x on delirium.

I have just tested it, Blood weapon animation clutter is the main villain here, it prevents DRK from using GCD way longer than delirium does.

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Your wording bothers me but yes. Blood weapon does not trigger as soon as you activate it, there is a delay from pressing the button to when the buff is applied, or that the duration of the buff is not the full 10 seconds.

Delirium and Inner Release do not have this issue.

So how can anyone say BW is operating "fine," and that there's no need to ask for it to be fixed in a simple QoL change for it?

"This skill has problems, here's X as an idea to fix it."
"The skill is fine it's intended to work that way."
"So it's designed poorly and that makes it okay because that's how it's supposed to be?"
"Yup!"
"So 'it's not a bug it's a feature'?"

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Your wording bothers me but yes. Blood weapon does not trigger as soon as you activate it, there is a delay from pressing the button to when the buff is applied, or that the duration of the buff is not the full 10 seconds.

Delirium and Inner Release do not have this issue.

So how can anyone say BW is operating "fine," and that there's no need to ask for it to be fixed in a simple QoL change for it?

"This skill has problems, here's X as an idea to fix it."
"The skill is fine it's intended to work that way."
"So it's designed poorly and that makes it okay because that's how it's supposed to be?"
"Yup!"
"So 'it's not a bug it's a feature'?"

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Forget about it i was wrong or didnt noticed it before, it is harder to fir 5 skills in BW indeed this looks weird.

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My guess is that delirium and IR have 10.99 seconds duration, and BW has exact 10 seconds and this makes the giant difference.
When you activate BW it goes instantly from 10 to 9 when the buff appears, and when you turn on delirium it stays at 10 second mark longer. I checked it with stopper and with delirium i had around 11 sec and BW 10.
Whatever SE decide to fix it should be fine, but they have to fix it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Forget about it i was wrong or didnt noticed it before, it is harder to fir 5 skills in BW indeed this looks weird.

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My guess is that delirium and IR have 10.99 seconds duration, and BW has exact 10 seconds and this makes the giant difference.
When you activate BW it goes instantly from 10 to 9 when the buff appears, and when you turn on delirium it stays at 10 second mark longer. I checked it with stopper and with delirium i had around 11 sec and BW 10.
Whatever SE decide to fix it should be fine, but they have to fix it.

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see you in 6.0 with SE's track record of addressing issues with DRK.