I forget the name of it now but the noob chat channel was really nice for jokes, questions, hunt announces, and etc. I got booted I guess when I hit L80 and I miss it now. The world seems much smaller.
a general chat channel would be nice
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10-08-2019, 02:05 AMsvanna general chat channel would be nice
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10-08-2019, 02:39 AMMihana
If you meet the requirements for Mentor status you can rejoin the Novice Network. But as for a server-wide general chat channel that anyone could join I'm kind of against that... It would be abused by RMT botters to spam their messages. I'm not sure if the Novice Network suffers from this as I generally don't use it.
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10-08-2019, 02:50 AMWasselin
I think so too! I felt very sad once my time in the Novice Network was done. I liked chatting with people in it, and even though I wasn't a mentor I helped answer questions when I knew the answer.
I'm gonna look for a few social linkshells to join. It's hard to find link shells though! -
10-08-2019, 02:53 AMHalivelNN does suffer from RMT a bit, at least on EU Chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
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10-08-2019, 03:21 AMsvannIm far far away from ever meeting mentor status. Honestly I dont know if I will ever meet the requirements as I dont have much interest in playing tank or healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
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10-08-2019, 03:33 AMShougun
I think this would help increase the quality of novice network as mentors would use it less as a sort of personal chat room. I also remember having fun goofing around in a general in WoW and that was fun, also I don't remember too many RMT (honestly they came as whispers more often for me lol).
I think just making it optional is well enough. Not that it would stop RMT but that "we can't have nice things because people would ruin it" is not my favorite thing to prevent nice things... I get that it would be annoying if you couldn't turn it off.. hence optional. People who use the general chat would report the RMT and perhaps if SE wants help train an RMT catching bot lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
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10-08-2019, 03:47 AMSaintly
As long as they find a way to keep RMT bots out, would love that.
Last thing we need tho is to give RMT bots a global channel to spam 24/7. -
10-08-2019, 03:58 AMReinfeldThere are ways to prevent most of the abuse at least by putting some kind of modest restriction on unlocking it. Less than NN, but more than a job skip. The groups selling clears might be an issue though unless they find a way to moderate and keep them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
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10-08-2019, 06:05 AMsvann
Well they could moderate it like NN is moderated - with those that have proven by their achievements to be loyal to the game - mentors.
OTOH, why not just use NN? Is there a reason why people gotta leave when they hit 80? -
10-08-2019, 06:14 AMViduMy guess would be that there are two reasons for kicking people out when they reach specific checkpoints:Quote:
Originally Posted by svann
(1) the amount of people the chanel can have is limited, so you gotta make room for the truely new people
(2) the intended purpose of the chanel isnt it being a general chat, but a place for those who are new to the game to have a place to ask questions - while every server can set up their own rules to an extend as we've been told by GMs they probably had the idea of it being this "ask a question"-place in mind, not as your social hangout spot.
While I dont really oppose the idea of a general chat (maybe locked behind reaching max level or a certain - late - point in the story to keep RMT out of it as much as possible), I have to ask... why not look for an FC or a linkshell that provides you with the social atomsphere you want? No offense, but it seems kinda strange to me that people would actually need the game to hold their hand to find friends...
To make it easier to find FCs and/or Linkshells I'd love to see some market-board-like things where people could advertise their social groups and people could sort through them and apply if they find something they like. -
10-08-2019, 06:15 AMHalivelThere are few reasons for that:Quote:
Originally Posted by svann
1. Sprout is a temporal state and you will lose it when meet certain conditions.
2. Before you will return into NN as a Mentor, you will need to have all three roles leveled until 80 one job in each (the easiest thing), have 1000 dungeons cleared (a bit harder) and reach 1500 commendations (the most tricky part). It doesn't sound as anything serious for somebody who plays for 6 years I suppose (though I got only 1800 comms in 5.5 tbh), but for a new player who just yesterday was a sprout it's a way to go. In this period they don't have any "World" chat except /shout in every area separately.
3. At a time only 100 Mentors can be online in NN.
4. There is a thing community seem to forget: Novice Network originally isn't supposed to be a place for chatting about weather in California and that cool wedding ceremony you visited on the weekend. It's a place where people ask questions and get answers for them. But since there is no any other Server-wide chat that doesn't depend on where you are, either is an area on the map or duty, it became... what it is now. A messy can full of drama and irrelevant off-topic while actual questions often tend to stay ignored because you just fail to notice them in that scroll-the-wall mess of text. -
10-08-2019, 07:28 AMMihanaQuote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
My response isn't in the mindset of preventing nice things, that's why I said I was kind of against it. Having it as a channel anyone could easily join would be the problem. I'm not looking for some special exclusivity but maybe a level requirement like you have to reach Level 20 in any given job or progress the story to a certain point in order to access it. To prevent RMT accounts from just using it as their dumping grounds for advertisements. That's the problem a universal chat channel would suffer. And actually the Novice Network isn't meant to be your casual place to chat it up in the first place. In upcoming patches they'll be releasing the "Fellowship" system anyway that will make it easier for wider audiences to communicate to each other. That aside, rejoining the Novice Network really isn't that hard anyway. Mentorship is also possible by leveling one DoL and DoH class to 80. This will still grant you access to the Novice Network and future patches aim to make gathering and crafting even easier. -
10-08-2019, 07:42 AMViolet_GalaxyI'm not against it if you and others want it. Just give me the option to turn that feature off as I like the way chat is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by svann
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10-08-2019, 08:51 AMShougunI didn't really get that feeling from the post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
But I appreciate the clarification, as I must not have got what you were intending- which is why I felt you were saying no on the basis some people will ruin it a bit (RMT), the "no because we can't have nice things" comment came from that.Quote:
If you meet the requirements for Mentor status you can rejoin the Novice Network. But as for a server-wide general chat channel that anyone could join I'm kind of against that... It would be abused by RMT botters to spam their messages. I'm not sure if the Novice Network suffers from this as I generally don't use it.
Also because OP wanted a general chat (title and the fact they wanted jokes and discussion outside of help like hunts) I felt that NN didn't even fully apply to what they were looking for, at least in the sense that a general chat would work better than using NN as a hunt linkshell. So when you suggested to just rejoin the NN I felt both you were saying no and also suggesting to use NN for not something fully intended (not a great evil to put a joke in there but obviously not the core point of the chat).
An aside but Fellowship, to my knowledge, will not have a chat feature. So while it could be useful for OP I don't think it'll apply to the OP's desire of this thread.
So maybe you didn't intend to say purely no but I felt you were (didn't get the vibe of kind of, though you did indeed say "kind of against" lol- I guess I'm just used of people using that wording and meaning "I'm fully against it" XD. My fault to your credit ;)). But I guess more importantly felt even if op could join a NN that general regional chat would be better for them anyways (has the features they're looking for in the package they're looking for). That and while it's true that RMT would use it that we could also report it and other measures could be put into place including being optional.
Especially if we had it defaulted to off- right? Then you wouldn't be spammed and bothered to turn it off, you'd have to turn it on lol. -
10-08-2019, 09:05 AMEnla
So long as there would be methods in place to prevent gil spammers from using it (maybe a three day old account rule since most gil spammers delete their accounts within a day to avoid bans) I'd be for it.
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10-08-2019, 10:09 AMsavageink
I'm actually thrilled there isn't one. Every other game I've played with general chat is basically a toxic cesspool mixed with spam that I have to dig around in settings to disable. I'm fine with social interaction to be something you can choose by joining an FC or a linkshell or whatever that fellowship thing is that's coming.
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10-08-2019, 11:05 AMLiam_Harper
I'd be up for that. I'm sure there are restrictions they could add to it that would prevent bots getting in. Better a restricted general chat than no chat at all.
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10-08-2019, 04:30 PMCyreil
I don't enjoy the shout chat in Uldah at anytime of the day. A general chat or global chat would just make it to where I would see it all the time since I know for a fact it will all move there.
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10-08-2019, 05:12 PMSenn
You mean like a global chat channel? Sure, I'd be for that. There's a risk of rmt spam, so maybe it should be restricted to level 80 or something. idk That, or there can be a chat restriction that only let's people post every 20-30 seconds, but that might get kind of annoying.
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10-08-2019, 09:50 PMFhaerron
Back in RIFT we also had this 'level' chat system.
So IIRC it was per 10 lvls. 1-10 / 11-20 etc all the way to lvl 41-49 and then lvl 50. Everybody with the correct level was grouped in those chats and you could talk in that chat no matter what zone you were in.
I would love to have a 'general' and/or to have like the 'level' chat we had in RIFT.
Currently I'm in 3 hunt LS and 1 cross world LS which is for the static I am in. And the FC I'm in (FC chat). I have a handfull of people on my FL but 99% of the times I cannot talk with them because either they or I am in a duty and thus locked out of talking.
So, I do not really talk much with people or have the chance to do so. As a result I also don't really have much people I meet or friends with.
Compared to RIFT (vanilla rift played for about 3 years since launch), Guild Wars 2 (about 2 years) and overal much less time spend in those game but I had much more people I talked with and connections. And now that I think back about it that was mainly due to being able to talk with just about anybody in general and level chats and such.
In this game I'm sitting at 4.5K hours in 5 years and a half and just handfull of people on all those years.
I'm hoping fellowships might maybe increase my 'social' stuff in this game but I'm kind of sceptical since all chats and social improvements made over the years haven't really done that much to help.
But so yes I would really love this.
Edit: for the RMT and spamming, that will be an issue but I would love to have other QOL improvements such as, auto remove of "unable to find" names on our black list (bots we will blacklist but those characters get removed sometimes on daily basis) yet it still shows up on our blacklist as that, A right click drop menu when you right click a name with report for spam (and have that name also automatically added to your blacklist). -
10-08-2019, 10:09 PMOrangeCrystarium
A good idea. NN is typically used as general chat these days, and shout channel to a lesser extent, however a channel dedicated to everyday chat and discussion would be welcomed. Obviously there are some downsides to allowing public chat, but I think the advantages outweigh that significantly.
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10-08-2019, 10:10 PMGula
I made a thread for a request here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Regional-Chat
A thread that should be easy to translate, and hopefully can be noticed by mods to bring up higher and higher to the devs. -
10-08-2019, 11:34 PMSaintly
If a solution to the bot spam is found i really dont see any reason to not add a global chat.
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10-09-2019, 08:19 PMRoyalBeefFrom what I can tell so far they go out of their way and turn the profanity filter off to have more stuff to make a fuss about. Your assumption that they would make use options to simply not see things they dislike is false. Just knowing that these things exists is what upsets them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintly
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10-09-2019, 09:36 PMAngellosThere's nothing stopping botters from using shout chat and yet they choose to use /say instead. No, a general chat would have no effect on botters, other than for more of them to be seen by more people to get reported by even more people. Maybe they should do something about the bot problem rather than not giving us features out of fear of the bots they're not taking care of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
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10-10-2019, 01:36 AMMihanaQuote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
Ah okay that was my mistake. I thought I should have clarified when I first posted it but just didn't. Anyway I'm not against the idea, it's just what I've seen in other games that made a server-wide general chat a concern to me. Bad wording. Also I didn't know Fellowships lacked a chat channel. More you know huh? Regarding RMT what would really help out is if there was a client side filter that automatically blocked messages with specific keywords from appearing or hid them requiring the user clicks on a button or icon on the screen to see it. Most RMT use the same message or a website in their text. Let us set up keywords that automatically block messages containing it.
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Originally Posted by Angellos
Bots do on some servers I've visited on Crystal... And I question just what it is they're doing about RMT in the first place. I make it a habit to report and block every bot I see yet my blacklist is nearly full because of it and I'm betting if I wasn't blocking them it would be a good deal more frequent I saw them. -
10-10-2019, 01:57 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
You realize the shout bots are only active for a few minutes before logging out, deleting, and recreating right?
They dont delete characters either when they get banned, so your list is full of bots that haven't been used in months or longer.
My blacklist is completely empty of rmt, and I rarely see it except around the aetheryte in limsa. They mostly only use say now too.
Giving them access to a world chat tho? Terrible idea. -
10-10-2019, 02:01 AMShougun<3 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
Honestly I'm still a bit confused on what fellowships will feel like myself lol. We have a bit more info and it's like an event calendar in your apartment/community building, or that's what it sounds like to me. Perhaps that'll be used to great effect, I don't know- but it seems a bit strange (not saying it's bad, going to wait to try it first- I'm just a bit perplexed lol). I would like to see a calendar event sort of thing for FC though (moving that mog companion calendar feature set into the game, can keep it on the app too ofc).
Yeah for blocking I'd be fine if players could set up their own block filters~ I imagine creating a bit of a delay on letting players in and also making it optional could go a long way. -
10-10-2019, 08:25 AMZarabeth
I've never been on the NN but once you grow past it, why not make yourself a linkshell? I made one to help new people and have made a lot of friends that way. I would be against world chat unless I could turn it off. I often turn off shout especially when doing something that others have finished such as events, because people just can't (won't) keep spoilers to themselves. There is also Yell, which I think goes farther than shout? I really don't know as no one uses it on Leviathan. Linkshells reach everywhere without annoying those who aren't interested, so I'd say that's the best way to go.
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10-10-2019, 10:09 AMDirwen
Global chat should be reserved for those at capped level in this case 80 and MSQ progression like how you get rid of sprout status. Since newbies will most likely have access to NN anyway so won't need to get global chat until they high and progressed enough.
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10-24-2019, 09:19 AMSamSmootThis. One of the best things about being outside the 3 main cities is being free of the spammers. Last thing I want is to see their crap when out playing the game too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintly
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10-24-2019, 09:35 AMLosara
Would love to have a world chat channel.
These always make the world feel alive in WoW and Archeage which has the nation chat which has a similar function. Both of these games also had a trade chat channel which is server wide which would be great to see in FF14 as long as you started out of it but could opt in / out when you choose. This would give players an idea as to what items other players need so that we can craft them. e.g. someone posts a request to craft level 60 plate body and someone PMS them to say they can craft this for them.
As others have posted this would only really be useful as a feature if spam can be kept out e.g. Bots and people being obnoxious who are just spamming the same word over and over. Perhaps limit the amount of times people can post per minute and also allow players to filter key words out of the chat. -
10-24-2019, 09:40 AMCrimsonGunnerif there could be a proper filter system to the chat and fast spamming bot treatment ,it can actually be a nice idea to have a general chat for a server and if more can be done then maybe even be able to broadcast messages across your current data-center(with a special item maybe).Quote:
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cause really the best thing about being outside the city is escaping the bots spammers -
10-24-2019, 11:15 AMCommander_Justitia
I think a few people would troll such a channel and spam it with useless stuff, just because they have a big audience listening to them. And then discussions emerge what the best and intended use for the general chat is, and some guys are gonna be the general chat police and report people every day. Occasionally RMT. Ye I can live without it lmao
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10-24-2019, 06:51 PMKrojackThe "noob" channel? Is that how you treat new people to the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by svann
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10-24-2019, 10:10 PMTheodricThe term in question is often used endearingly. In the context of the rest of his post it's clear he wasn't being negative about the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krojack