main line quest spelutation

promise of valor and act of cruliety

question who act cruelity and who promise of valor

I thought even the act of cruelity are two remain players Zenos and Edilos but who the promise of valor

I hope we not lose any more scians here

The act of cruelty: Future MSQ will require us to perform 50 Pixie fetch quests. Also Feo Ul replaces Alphibaud as the secondary protagonist.

Bet it lead up to us having to fight Hydaelyn as last primal fight in SBH to bring back balance again.

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

The act of cruelty: Future MSQ will require us to perform 50 Pixie fetch quests. Also Feo Ul replaces Alphibaud as the secondary protagonist.

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Would prefer her over Alphinaud, at least it would feel like this is WoL adventure, not Alphinaud and his muscle sidekick WoL.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Bet it lead up to us having to fight Hydaelyn as last primal fight in SBH to bring back balance again.

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I think that Zodark but yes we going have fight Zodark at some point

"Vows of Virtue, Deeds of Cruelty" are most likely meant to be NieR: Automata references (2B's and 9S's default weapons are Virtuous Contract and Cruel Oath) but if there is double meaning (almost certainly) I have a feeling it will be dealing with the aftermath of Eulmore's regime change. Cruel treatment wrapped up in a pretense of lawfulness and civility was Vauthry's (and by extension the free citizenry's) whole MO for the past 10 years or so. Some political upheaval is to be expected now that Eulmorans no longer have an immediate threat to be distracted by.
The posh, Eulmorian-looking new dungeon and pictures of the Chais we were shown during the Live Letter also point in that direction.

Leads me to think it's something to do with our little Oracle of Darkness friend that's currently unconscious, especially if Elidibus is why they are there.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Leads me to think it's something to do with our little Oracle of Darkness friend that's currently unconscious, especially if Elidibus is why they are there.

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Well, the OoD is tied to the 8-man raids, so we likely won't be getting back into that plot point until 5.2.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Leads me to think it's something to do with our little Oracle of Darkness friend that's currently unconscious, especially if Elidibus is why they are there.

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I think it's unlikely because that's tied to the Eden raids and we won't be getting the next part until 5.2. If they stick to the SB and HW release schedule, we can expect Alliance raids in odd-numbered patches and Normal/Savage in even-numbered ones.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I hope we not lose any more scians here

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We could honestly loose Ishtola and I wouldn't bat an eye. She has become quite a self righteous, annoying little brat and removing her from the story would be of no loss. Unfortunately she is the xiv poster child, which makes her attitude that much more surprising.

I still want to see us obtain both light and dark and perhaps do, or be perceived as doing, both. Become an actual WoD (take up the powers of Zodiarc not that evil doer everyone defaults to thinking when WoD is mentioned) for a bit then in the end harness both the light and dark bringing an end to the ascian storyline so 6.0 can be something fresh. We have been dealing with Garlemald and the Ascians since 2010....it is seriously time to move on.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Bet it lead up to us having to fight Hydaelyn as last primal fight in SBH to bring back balance again.

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That's be badass. 8 people fighting a massive 700000ft Crystal.

I Like Ishtola. I think your not away of ending of ffxiv shadowbringer. Zodark and Hydrila are different being one has life sacrifice to it. I think you are mislead to think Zodiarc isn't evil when one feed it life keep it alive sound like evil to me why was hydilria need to stop him. remind me of argument are old god evil on wow. if you didn't notice the end Zodiarc isn't going finish 5.0 mind you not that I thought it would be. through the destruction of shard killed billion of life. seem to me you are confuse about good and evil. Zodiarc evil because the Ascain goal is cause all the shard to merge with the source to bring back they fail races. Hydrilia banish Zodiarc into the moon so that he was imprison there. why do you think the ascian have gone to moon to heard they master commands. pay attention to the story and the lore before you respond please

yes being warrior of darkness on first is different yet where is Hydrila located on source so she not responsible for action on first it was ascian who were responabile action on first they move all world close to re merge with source because they need weak the prison for Zodiarc if any crystal being we be fight it be Zodiarc it he who move ascian to doing these action it he who command them to do it. I think complete childness to believe that Zodiarc is not evil.

feel like some of these respond are just trolls

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I think you are mislead to think Zodiarc isn't evil when one feed it life keep it alive sound like evil to me

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OK first trying to decipher your broken English so I may be missing a few points you are trying to make. But...

Evil is in the eye of the beholder. Zodiarc required a sacrifice to come into existence, but those sacrifices were willing, they were not using captives or prisoners of war or those they deemed as lesser. Everything, including ourselves irl, need to sacrifice life some form to exist. Even in game we are killing beastmen and others without hesitation. We kill wildlife by the thousands and instead of trying to help those that are tempered, we just kill them to maintain order. Our first instinct is to kill primals and we have no qualms about doing the same to those that summon them. We also strike down Garleans without hesitation, sparing just the few who cut off all ties from friends and family to be one of us. All of this just to exist. From a different perspective even the WoL and the Scions could be seen as a vastly evil force in the world.

The Ascians went extinct, they are trying to bring the souls of the sundered together after they were split against their will by another entity who took it upon itself to do what it felt was best and if the game was presented from the pov of who we know of as ascians, they would be the heroes. You may perceive Zodiarc and the ascians as evil, but that doesn't mean they are, just that you think they are.

Cutting the argument down to "he required a sacrifice to be alive and therefore is evil" is very simplistic. Esp when its countered with "she committed genocide of all living creatures and the planet itself, but its cool". And you can say the ascians are committing genocide as well, and from our perspective they are, but from theirs they are not, they are undoing the genocide already done but merging all that once was. It is true we would cease to exist in our current form, but its like putting a broken mirror back together. The pieces may be a mirror themselves, but only one part of a whole. So to them and from their perspective, what they are doing is vastly on the side of "good".

But like I said its all relative, so its more of an everyone sucks here situation.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

feel like some of these respond are just trolls

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Someone presents a different pov that does not align with mine and dislikes a character I like: must be trolls. Cause of course, who wants to have a discussion anyway.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I think that Zodark but yes we going have fight Zodark at some point

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Hydaelyn evil primal and Zodark good primal. Hydaelyn is one that cause all problems with the shards by splitting everything up and Zodark was one that tried to save the shards before being killed by Hydaelyn. Ascians try to bring back order and balance to how it was before everything got divided up. To me all the primals must be destroyed to fix all the problems.

this like called hilter good mind you if you look at the story ffxiv you see that ascian chose to feed half they people to Zodark and no this isn't oppose point view this point of view define any sense of ffxiv realm reborn to shadowbringer story or lore. if we look at story and lore Hydaelyn is good and Zodark is evil. what you all are say fly against the entire story and lore of ffxiv the games. this why I feel like I hear a troll because your view aren't even base on story of the game or the lore of game. I called for people make point view that basic on the story of the games include ffxiv shadowbringer. the opinion your base no lore or story of game.

seem the issue is the morality Zodark need life force to restore ascian world clean problem something Zodark told them to do. if hydaelyn has will of her so do Zodark by free Zodark you agrue for gencidal of all life in the shard and in the source. mean we are all killed off for the return of Zodark this just what ascian want, the argument you make has no moral base.

let begin what we know about Zodark and Hydaelyn

first off we know Zodark was creator by ascian, they gave up half of they races to feed him to restore the planets then again they gave another half of life to get them back. sound like one feed drug addict here we give half of are population to feed oyou Zodark. (my theory did Hydaelyn lock him up because he start crave life force seem to me a solid theory here.) seem we a good reason to fight against the ascian desire we aren't know reason yet

Hydaelyn what we know about she was creator to prevent Zodark the creators of her gave up they own life for her creation to brought into world. the warrior of light was member of those who possible creator her seem we bound to are creation in some way here we may not remember how she brought into world.

since people have going this direction I guess we go down this way.

we know the Zealous of Zodark have told us.

it not that I not open to other opinion I like opinion base on what we know not on what we don't know