Removing Additional Actions? Why?

Okay so I'm semi casual crafter I admit, but removing the additional actions seems bad any way I look at it, Most if not all the cross skills are essential for rotations to make HQ. unless you use some 90 step recipe to keep reversing durability..

I mean unless your gonna remove the difference between HQ and NQ crafting completely I just dont see it.

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Originally Posted by KagatoAC

Okay so I'm semi casual crafter I admit, but removing the additional actions seems bad any way I look at it, Most if not all the cross skills are essential for rotations to make HQ. unless you use some 90 step recipe to keep reversing durability..

I mean unless your gonna remove the difference between HQ and NQ crafting completely I just dont see it.

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I think their going to do what they already did with someone of them, as in give them to all crafters like they did with steady hand 2.

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Originally Posted by Wiccan026

I think their going to do what they already did with someone of them, as in give them to all crafters like they did with steady hand 2.

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That's what I assumed. Just give them to everyone and stop with the cross-class nonsense.

I think that's what's going to happen too. For several expansions now SE has been trying to fight against the mindset that you need to have all crafters leveled to be successful, and while they kind of did better with that in Stormblood with making specialist actions really good, the fact remains that there's still essential skills that were locked behind craft specializations.

There's also some definite bloat that needs to be addressed. At 37 base skills, plus 10 specialist skills, plus 10 more cross class skills, it's insanity. I don't need 57 skills to complete a craft. Most aren't being used, or if they are used it's in really rare situations, generally because I messed up somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

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There's also some definite bloat that needs to be addressed. At 37 base skills, plus 10 specialist skills, plus 10 more cross class skills, it's insanity. I don't need 57 skills to complete a craft. Most aren't being used, or if they are used it's in really rare situations, generally because I messed up somewhere.

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They said they are going to be dealing with button bloat.

I never use skills that have RNG anymore. SH II + 70% or better is all. But the early crafting needs HT. So will stuff like that evolve into stuff we use later on?

We will find out. Stay tuned. Same bat time, same bat channel.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

They said they are going to be dealing with button bloat.

I never use skills that have RNG anymore. SH II + 70% or better is all. But the early crafting needs HT. So will stuff like that evolve into stuff we use later on?

We will find out. Stay tuned. Same bat time, same bat channel.

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Stuff ugprading is an easy way out. Removing the cross class and implementing it as natural abilities each job learns also lets them revise earlier skills. Gonna be annoying having to reconfigure all my bars before hitting Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Stuff ugprading is an easy way out. Removing the cross class and implementing it as natural abilities each job learns also lets them revise earlier skills. Gonna be annoying having to reconfigure all my bars before hitting Ishgard.

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The ironic thing is, when they brought Specialists about, I was saying that the system did not accomplish their stated goal (make single class crafters competitive with omnicrafters) and that the solution would be to simply grant, via specialist actions, all of the other cross class moves.

They are still working on making single class crafters more competitive with omnicrafters. They’re just so far (apparently) reluctant to take the step I suggested but ahve been working slowly towards it.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

The ironic thing is, when they brought Specialists about, I was saying that the system did not accomplish their stated goal (make single class crafters competitive with omnicrafters) and that the solution would be to simply grant, via specialist actions, all of the other cross class moves.

They are still working on making single class crafters more competitive with omnicrafters. They’re just so far (apparently) reluctant to take the step I suggested but ahve been working slowly towards it.

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The thing is, single crafters will never be competitive with omnicrafters, because cross class components are needed.

The only way to make 'single crafters' viable is if -everyone- can only be a single crafter, else you simply miss out on the big ticket items you have to charge more for to make up for the out of class components you have to buy, while having no advantage in your own specialized market.

Its the Japanese mindset. They expect single class crafters to collaborate with each other, to provide refined materials to each other as needed. Look at the FC Workshop, to see what I mean. They still refuse to allow a single person to craft there, they require small parties of at least 4 to advance workshop projects.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Its the Japanese mindset. They expect single class crafters to collaborate with each other, to provide refined materials to each other as needed. Look at the FC Workshop, to see what I mean. They still refuse to allow a single person to craft there, they require small parties of at least 4 to advance workshop projects.

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Yeah, they don't realize us fatties over here are more than willing to level everything to make everything ourselves.

If for no other reason than the expanded recipe list, I really enjoyed the concept of the Specialist when it was introduced in Heavensward. Of the people who craft, very few are willing to make multiple characters to cover every specialization.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Of the people who craft, very few are willing to make multiple characters to cover every specialization.

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I did not get on that bandwagon (entry level subscription only allowed one character per server) but more than just a very few did just that. They made and leveled up alternate characters just to get other specializations for them. Fortunately they stopped making all the new recipes specialist only, and only made a few specialist only.

Specialist was good at first. But it became useless in SB endgame crafting.

At present its only good for a few minion crafts.

Roth, I have 2 alts on my server and I never bothered leveling them to specialize multiple crafts. I could easily swap enough specialists when it was relevant.

I'm hoping the restoration makes the extra quality potential from the specialist actions actually necessary, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Yeah, they don't realize us fatties over here are more than willing to level everything to make everything ourselves.

If for no other reason than the expanded recipe list, I really enjoyed the concept of the Specialist when it was introduced in Heavensward. Of the people who craft, very few are willing to make multiple characters to cover every specialization.

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I did not get on that bandwagon (entry level subscription only allowed one character per server) but more than just a very few did just that. They made and leveled up alternate characters just to get other specializations for them. Fortunately they stopped making all the new recipes specialist only, and only made a few specialist only.

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That actually helps me out a bit in understanding things. I'm on a legacy account. We get 8 characters per server by default. I didn't know if that was a standard or not.

I suspect abilities like Basic, Standard and Advanced will be pruned outright or merged together. They're effectively worthless outside of leveling. So it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like make Careful Synthesis I and II universal. Honestly, they could do that with a number of skills that have long since fallen out of use. I'm more concerned about the state of crafting as a whole. Never have I seen prices on the current tier crafted gear reach five digits except maybe the rings by the odd numbered patch. Presently, on my server at least, it's not even worth making them anymore. Just flip the mats.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

I did not get on that bandwagon (entry level subscription only allowed one character per server) but more than just a very few did just that. They made and leveled up alternate characters just to get other specializations for them. Fortunately they stopped making all the new recipes specialist only, and only made a few specialist only.

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I was one of them. I hate hate HATE not having the ability to be self sufficient if I am wiling to put in the work for it. EQII tried this as well and it died a similar fiery death eventually.

As to the topic, I doubt we'll see pruning of cross class skills. We may see them get the Steady Hand II treatment and be given to all classes. I think they'll just reduce the button bloat and have your Synthesis and Touch level up instead of being separate skills and some further pruning on skills no one ever has on their bar. There are plenty.

It would be fun to have new unique skills. Like CD (only usable x times per craft).
I also like proc reliant skills as they make crafting more engaging.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I think that's what's going to happen too. For several expansions now SE has been trying to fight against the mindset that you need to have all crafters leveled to be successful, and while they kind of did better with that in Stormblood with making specialist actions really good, the fact remains that there's still essential skills that were locked behind craft specializations.

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Even if they do eliminate the cross-class actions, there's still the recipes, which usually require cross-crafted materials. In that case, there are three options:

1. Buy the mats on the MB (I will NOT buy 99 of I need 3)
2. Level the other craft(s) and make them yourself.
3. Don't craft those items.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Presently, on my server at least, it's not even worth making them anymore. Just flip the mats.

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That's the way it was on WoW when I left. I had leveled an alchemist and herbalist so I could make my own flasks, but the herbs always sold for more than the flasks made from them. So, I just sold the herbs, and bought the flasks someone else made. The time spent leveling the alchemist was completely wasted.