Profanity Filter and OCE Data Center

Yeah hi so I was here to ramble about two things

First off, how come there's now harsh chat rules despite the fact the use of a profanity filter that's not only built in game, but enabled as default? In order for someone to have reported it, they would have had to willingly disable it, yaknow?

I think it should be a bit more lenient, maybe if you had disabled it you acknowledge that there's gonna be some foul language. Not to say that slurs used against people in an aggressive sense, but if someone uses language to describe something like "Oh man this is f*cked", yaknow?

Secondly, when is the oceanic region gonna get their own data center? The reason Tonberry on the JP data center is so bogged down 24/7 is because it's basically the 'go-to' place for an entire region, go look at the thread/post count compared to everywhere else on here and it's kinda yaknow.. bloated.

Not to mention the ping difference, you know? Given how many people are from Australia and the surrounding areas, I think it's kinda justified in us getting our own at this point, since more and more people are flocking to FFXIV over dead MMOs' like WoW and stuff.

Anyway that's my ramble over, I'd like to know what you'd all think.

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Lalafell are walking footballs, change my mind

On your first point, maybe if players toned down the sailor-talk a bit, then they wouldn't have to be banned, with or without the profanity filter. It might be considered 'hip' and 'edgy' to sprinkle swear words in every sentence like sauce over a particularly offensive cassarole, but it's not condoned socially, either in a formal setting or in a social game. Especially for a game that has a 'teen' rating in the US which FFXIV does. So SE is getting more stringent with in-game player behaviour.

As for your second point, SE considers Australia close enough to Japan to not bother with 'Australian' servers, so I don't see this ever happening (and I say that as an Australian player who plays on a US server). Believe it or not Australia's player population is not considered high enough to warrant the expense I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Billyy_Herrington

First off, how come there's now harsh chat rules despite the fact the use of a profanity filter that's not only built in game, but enabled as default? In order for someone to have reported it, they would have had to willingly disable it, yaknow?

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Reminds me of a little story I read in a philosophy book:

A bunch of boys decide to swim naked in a river. An old lady that lives in a house right next to the swimming spot calls the policeman because she feels disturbed by the naked boys right in front of her house. The policeman tells the boys to please move a bit down the river so the old ldy won't feel disturbed anymore, and they do. 20 minutes later she calls the officer again, telling him that she can still see the boys from a window on the 2nd floor. So the officer tells them to please move away a little further still so the old lady won't feel disturbed, and they do. 20 minutes later she calls the officer again, telling him that she can still see them with her binoculars while sitting on her roof.

Moral of the story: People will go out of their way to get offended. Even if they don't witness stuff personally, just knowing that someone somewhere might be doing something they don't like is enough for them to go on a crusade.

In today's society every one that wants to feel "offended" will find a way to do so. You could try your hardest not to and still offend someone, it has gotten extremely sad to see people get offended over anything and everything.

Lol at everyone making it about being "offended." There are still internet regulations companies have to follow.

The rules aren't new, being offended is irrelevant when you're not allowed to use profanity per the User Agreement and you should probably edit your post as the example you provided is still in violation of that rule.

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Originally Posted by Billyy_Herrington

First off, how come there's now harsh chat rules despite the fact the use of a profanity filter that's not only built in game, but enabled as default? In order for someone to have reported it, they would have had to willingly disable it, yaknow?

I think it should be a bit more lenient, maybe if you had disabled it you acknowledge that there's gonna be some foul language. Not to say that slurs used against people in an aggressive sense, but if someone uses language to describe something like "Oh man this is f*cked", yaknow?

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I agree, the rules against profanity are a bit ridiculous. It doesn't even matter what the context of interaction. For example, if I'm in a farm party for something and I accidentally die to a mechanic because I was dozing off/losing focus and I type "...oh sh*t" as a joke, technically I can be reported. It's ridiculous. I understand the need to try and prevent harassment and slurs thrown at people, but sometimes it comes off as some weird puritanical attack when someone gets upset at a tame, self-deprecating joke I made about myself.

Maybe a system autocorrector of profanity so the rule can Fruit itself.

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Originally Posted by Kathyz

Maybe a system autocorrector of profanity so the rule can Fruit itself.

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I would fruiting love this

This is why people barely say anything other than "hello/thanks for the party" in PuG's.

Special snowflakes/crybabies gonna report you the moment you slip and drop an F-bomb, don't even think about commenting on their performance, that's an insta-warning/ban from the GM's who don't have the backbone to tell them to stop crying and grow a thicker skin.

I really hope i'll be proven wrong, but imho what will kill this game is not making it over-simplified as many believed, but giving in to the tantrums of the crybabies.
I mean what's the point of the game being an MMO when it promotes staying silent whenever you are in a group or around other players.


P.S. I wonder how many of the said crybabies/snowflakes will report this post cause they deemed it "offensive".

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

I agree, the rules against profanity are a bit ridiculous. It doesn't even matter what the context of interaction. For example, if I'm in a farm party for something and I accidentally die to a mechanic because I was dozing off/losing focus and I type "...oh sh*t" as a joke, technically I can be reported. It's ridiculous. I understand the need to try and prevent harassment and slurs thrown at people, but sometimes it comes off as some weird puritanical attack when someone gets upset at a tame, self-deprecating joke I made about myself.

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Same, only time I cuss is when I mess up big time and basically cuss at myself, like "Oh ffs I'm a dumb*ss" or something like that, to let my party know I'm ware that I messed up and probably more annoyed about it than they are lol

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

Same, only time I cuss is when I mess up big time and basically cuss at myself, like "Oh ffs I'm a dumb*ss" or something like that, to let my party know I'm ware that I messed up and probably more annoyed about it than they are lol

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thankfully nowadays, the only people that hear me curse are my discord friends when the stupid birds in E2S give me their stupid damage down thanks to a server tick or stupid hitbox.

At this point, they should remove duty finder and only allow grouping with people in your FC, and even then you should only chat with them in discord so they can't report for saying anything.

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Originally Posted by Machi_Machiavelli

At this point, they should remove duty finder and only allow grouping with people in your FC, and even then you should only chat with them in discord so they can't report for saying anything.

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Remove DF?? Sorry, but that's a terrible idea.

To OP: Yeah I think it's ridiculous so many rules about what people consider to be profanity. What falls under the term profanity is subjective. Profanity has always been about one person telling another person what's okay and what's not okay according to the first person's feelings. Complete hogwash if you ask me. IMO, when you get online and begin interacting with other human beings you give up your right to earmuffs. Of course all of this goes back to freedom of speech versus private property on the internet... But you can really blame generation X for raising their crybaby kids to think that the world cares about their feelings, and now we have a generation of people who get butt-hurt when you go against their grain in any way, shape, or form.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Lol at everyone making it about being "offended." There are still internet regulations companies have to follow.

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What on earth are you talking about? This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in this thread, lol. Cussing is allowed on the internet, and the game's ESRB rating only has to do with the actual game content. It specifically says "online content not rated by ESRB". There is no "regulation" telling them to ban you for saying the F word.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

On your first point, maybe if players toned down the sailor-talk a bit, then they wouldn't have to be banned, with or without the profanity filter. It might be considered 'hip' and 'edgy' to sprinkle swear words in every sentence like sauce over a particularly offensive cassarole, but it's not condoned socially, either in a formal setting or in a social game. Especially for a game that has a 'teen' rating in the US which FFXIV does. So SE is getting more stringent with in-game player behaviour.

As for your second point, SE considers Australia close enough to Japan to not bother with 'Australian' servers, so I don't see this ever happening (and I say that as an Australian player who plays on a US server). Believe it or not Australia's player population is not considered high enough to warrant the expense I'm afraid.

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Speaking also as an Australian on a US server, I use WTFast and get 166 ping.
To the JP servers I get 130 ping.

The undersea cables that connect us to Japan and the US aren't too different in length. The problem is Routing in most cases. My ISP takes me halfway round the world to get the servers, so my natural ping is 350~ and spikes constantly. With WTFast, there are 5 total nodes in the connection, with one being the source and one being the destination. Makes a hell of a difference.
Be nice to have sub 30 ping with an actual AU server though. Given the expense of hosting on here though … We'll likely never get one.

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Originally Posted by HumanNinjaToo

Remove DF?? Sorry, but that's a terrible idea.

To OP: Yeah I think it's ridiculous so many rules about what people consider to be profanity. What falls under the term profanity is subjective. Profanity has always been about one person telling another person what's okay and what's not okay according to the first person's feelings. Complete hogwash if you ask me. IMO, when you get online and begin interacting with other human beings you give up your right to earmuffs. Of course all of this goes back to freedom of speech versus private property on the internet... But you can really blame generation X for raising their crybaby kids to think that the world cares about their feelings, and now we have a generation of people who get butt-hurt when you go against their grain in any way, shape, or form.

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You also agreed to abide by what SE considers acceptable when you agreed to there ToS.

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Originally Posted by HumanNinjaToo

But you can really blame generation X for raising their crybaby kids to think that the world cares about their feelings, and now we have a generation of people who get butt-hurt when you go against their grain in any way, shape, or form.

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This Baby Boomer believes that there are a number of 'special snowflakes' who deem being polite in a social setting is not something they should strive for. Cussing like a sailor (which, having been one, is something I know intimately) in a game environment is just rude. One can ignore an F-bomb in voice chat, but there is a level of calculation in a chat window, given the fact that you have to actually think before typing the words.
I blame this readiness to be rude on the anonymity engendered by people who have never known a world without the Internet.

To be clear, I didn't raise my millennial-generation sons to believe that the world revolves around them, nor do other parents that I know. You've apparently bought into the mythos of a marketing category that conveniently gives you a box to put down people whose views you don't appreciate.

I understand what some of you are saying and I think I disagree a lil, like no, I don't think people are 'easily offended snowflakes' and no I don't think we should simply accept the unjust punishments for using the F word in a non-insulting sense and just say "THATS LIFE"

You can't use the excuse "oh but youngn's are playing the game it's a rating thing!" because people die in the MSQ, and quite graphicly in a few points. I think it's a little... silly that we can watch people crack their heads open and watch faces melt but we can't be profane, yaknow?
Not to mention people abusing the report system in some cases, over quite minor things

again, please keep the thread civil and let's not get snarky at eachother

The thing is, we all agreed to be bound by the game's User Agreement which states: Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

You can argue all day that you feel it's reasonable to cuss but the game owners obviously think otherwise and we have agreed to play by their rules.

The Australian scene is a growing one actually.

FFXIV is getting more involved with us, as far events, advertising and recognition go, and we really should have a server by now.

Yoshi P made a personal video to our community here https://www.facebook.com/FFXIVanzGet...5992662847651/

The numbers on Kujata, Tonberry and the high amount scattered across US servers would justify it.

Yoshi made an updated statement where he thanked us for our support and would like to give us our own server but there's issues with our government or something.

The details were scarce.

I just find it quite funny that a generation who, most likely I would imagine, were around South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons and other such shows before they were forced to censor and end up being to softest of the bunch. I mean if you are directly slinging profanity like a Machinist at someone then yeah, out the door ya go. However for a simple F bomb that was in the heat of the moment and not even directed at anyone, yeesh come on people. Grow some skin if your gonna be online.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

You also agreed to abide by what SE considers acceptable when you agreed to there ToS.

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True, but doesn’t mean I have to agree with it or like it. I do abide by it, I don’t type a bunch of profanity in game.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

This Baby Boomer believes that there are a number of 'special snowflakes' who deem being polite in a social setting is not something they should strive for. Cussing like a sailor (which, having been one, is something I know intimately) in a game environment is just rude. One can ignore an F-bomb in voice chat, but there is a level of calculation in a chat window, given the fact that you have to actually think before typing the words.
I blame this readiness to be rude on the anonymity engendered by people who have never known a world without the Internet.

To be clear, I didn't raise my millennial-generation sons to believe that the world revolves around them, nor do other parents that I know. You've apparently bought into the mythos of a marketing category that conveniently gives you a box to put down people whose views you don't appreciate.

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You’ve misjudged me based on my comment apparently. I stated my opinion on the issue. Never said I go around using profanity, or what others consider to be profanity, in social settings just for the sake of making people feel uncomfortable. It’s not rude to exercise free speech by the way. My free speech doesn’t end because someone else doesn’t like the language I choose to use. Also, I agree with you on the idea of being culturally and socially competent, and with choosing to use tact when necessary. Also, never attacked your parenting style personally so I’m unsure why you’re offended by that, it’s not my intention to create an argument over parenting techniques and their effects.

I can understand if you accidentally swore when speaking, but typing has an extra layer of thinking about what you're converting from speech into text, and at least some degree of opportunity to reconsider and alter what you wrote before anyone else sees it.

If you know certain language is not allowed, can't you just restrict yourself from using it in chat, or substitute something less offensive-to-some?

(I don't ever swear even in real life - at least not in language that would be on the 'banned list' - so I honestly have no idea what it would be like having to tone down language in text chat. Is it hard? Really? Do you have to think about the fact that you shouldn't type that word in? I'm not asking this hypothetic-sarcastically.)

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

The thing is, we all agreed to be bound by the game's User Agreement which states: Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

You can argue all day that you feel it's reasonable to cuss but the game owners obviously think otherwise and we have agreed to play by their rules.

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I don’t think you can properly equate reason with being offended. People become offended for unreasonable reasons all the time. Also, just because some of us don’t want to put into a box doesn’t mean we are unreasonable. I for one, while completely disagreeing with any rules that put a limit on my ability to exercise free speech, do not go around cursing at people just because I can. I don’t think it’s fair to assume that just because people use words in their everyday language that someone else deems offensive, we can assume they are trolls looking to offend at every opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

(I don't ever swear even in real life - at least not in language that would be on the 'banned list' - so I honestly have no idea what it would be like having to tone down language in text chat. Is it hard? Really? Do you have to think about the fact that you shouldn't type that word in? I'm not asking this hypothetic-sarcastically.)

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Very hard actually.
In forums not so much but in live chats when stuff happens fast and you don't have much time, you essentially type as you would speak.
Add roused feelings to that and you will get rather ... fruity language quite often.

In forums I typically tend to write everything down, insults and all. That in itself consumes most of the negative energy and I can then go back and edit the text to be more presentable before hitting that send button. It's a neat trick I picked up from some other forum poster back at MMO-C.

That doesn't really work well in a 1 line chat interface when you type e.g.: between pulls etc, so you have to put more thought into the sentence from the very beginning.

Personally, I don't think the profanity filter is in there to actually neuter insults but to "protect" 12yr olds from mature language of other players so they can keep the age rating down. I deactivated it since day 1 because I am an adult. For me personally, it makes 0 difference between reading the word "idiot" in reference to my person or reading ♥♥♥♥♥ done by some funky filter. I know the person just insulted me either way.

Edit: before s/o gets the wrong picture and twists anything out of context: I have a 0 tolerance policy for insults in games. This is a hobby we all do for fun and there is no reason at all to be abusive to each other. I tend to be rather direct and not bother wrapping everything in layers of diplomacy though (mom calls me "as diplomatic as an ax in the forest"). :D