Just a Disgruntled Old Machinist Main Complaining

So... I may be making this mainly to vent the annoyance somewhere, as very few from what i see, share my opinion. I REALLY dislike the machinist rework. The class went from an absurd skill-cap, albeit clunky job; to a clunky job that has very little area for optimization. Though clunky for a different reason. It is still lag dependent mind you, the 1.5 gcd weaving without clipping is an issue for many. So the main reason for the class being restrictive is still there.

But now we come to the meat of the issue. The class went from a tight and satisfying rotation, that rewarded perfect execution and punished mess ups, to a class that lacks any rotation outside of the 123 combo and a priority system that forces you to glue your eyes to the hotbar less you miss something coming off of cooldown. And hell you cant even memorize when those things come off of cooldown since drill and anchor are affected by skill speed, and delaying either for any reason, is a dps loss so if you have drill or anchor coming off in less than 2 seconds, you gotta drop a gcd and just sit there awkwardly waiting for that to come off of cooldown to not delay it. Its so immensely clunky. And to add to that the 123 combo is a travesty because youre constantly interrupted and often do other stuff for long enough to drop combo anyways despite your other skills not breaking combo. I mean this could have been remedied by keeping the old proc system and ammo so you could pool it for times you dont have anything else to do. Sorry went on a rant there. But then we come down to the fact that the class now feels like a bunch of mechanics slapped together awkwardly and forced to be a class. And while the new multi tool abilities look nice they are just brainless dps gcds they add nothing but clutter for you to press, and awkward clutter mind you. The automaton queen is a gauge for no real reason. I mean yes the gauge is there so you can line it up with raid cool downs... but it has zero interaction with anything else in your kit. And the new overheat... first 50 times its ok. But the thing is you're hypercharging vastly too often so you spend around 50% of your time mashing heatblast and an ogcd, which is just "carpal tunnel inducer" the class. There is very little of a cooldown period like with the old machinist that had the *confused screaming* period of overheat and the cooldown period. Here you just roll your face across the keyboard. Oh and flamethrower is wierd... you have to time 3 ticks of it only or its a dps loss on aoe.

Overall sorry for venting, i just feel betrayed having my favorite class turned into something i barely feel like leveling because im just so bleeding bored of it. Just throwing this out here to see if any other of the 7 old machinist mains are out here sharing my feelings about the new incarnation lol.

I can't call myself a MCH main, but I did make a MCH Eureka relic, so it's up there on the list of jobs I enjoyed using. I'd like to think I was decent at the job, but I can't claim to be anywhere near the best. I always had trouble getting the most out of combining Overheat and Wildfire. Toward the end of SB, I was about 50/50 split on BRD/MCH.

I agree with you for the most part, though I am still enjoying the job.

Changes I like:
- I like the fact that they took away the turret placement. I hate this game's ground-targeting system, and having to remember to pull it back out after I blew it up.
- I like the fact that the heat system is no longer as clunky. Trying to get overheat and wildfire to pair together always felt clunky, especially when you needed to involve Flamethrower.
- I like the fact that Hot Shot is no longer just some button you have to press once every minute for a damage buff. That's not interesting.
- Personally, I like Drill / Bio-Blaster / Air Anchor, but I can understand some peoples' frustration at its ability to feel offset in the rotation at certain levels of skill speed. That doesn't really bother me much though.
- I'm glad Reassemble works on our AOE skills. BRD's Barrage doesn't.
- Gauss Barrel. Good riddance.

Things I think could be improved:
- Queen/Turret now just being a glorified DoT you throw out every so often isn't particularly interesting. If it applied a buff to the MCH or a debuff to the target, it would be more interesting. I would say the same thing for DRK and NIN's shadow pets as well.
- I miss the ammo system and the ability to do 1-2-1 to setup a 2-3-2 combo during WildFire. It was an interesting twist on the combo system, and I'm sad to see it go.
- Flamethrower is in a weird place. I have two conflicting ideas for it. 1) Make it into an AOE turret (maybe it could spin around for a 360º flame). It's weird not having an AOE turret. I never know whether I should bring Queen out during dungeon trash. 2) Simply make it have some sort of interaction with our heat gauge. It's called FLAMETHROWER! Why doesn't it tick up our HEAT gauge?
- I'm not a huge fan of SE's move toward "Push this button to spam one action several times in a row" that we see with Hypercharge (and WAR/DRK). I think it could be made slightly more interesting if it simply reduced the recast of our 1-2-3 combo and Spread Shot. Maybe they could also only use the Heated animations during that period. I also think it's weird that Auto-Crossbow doesn't reduce the recast of Ricochet.
- Most jobs got a 1-2 AOE combo. Why do we just spam Spread Shot? I have lots of spare MCH bar space. Give me an AOE combo, please.
- I miss throwing my wrench. Was Dismantle really such a balancing issue that it had to be removed?
- Why was Blank not replaced with anything? I mean, it was never important, but BRD still has Repelling Shot. DNC has En Avant. Couldn't we get some kind of mobility action? I've always thought that they could change Blank to Rocket Jump or something, where we shoot the ground and knock ourselves backwards (or forward, I don't care).

1) you do not drop a gcd in favour of not delaying the drill or anchor as it will reduce the dps. Moreover it naturally aligns with your gcds. Sure hypercharge slightly offsets from time to time, but no more than .5 secs.

2) the only way to drop a combo is to drill anchor and hypercharge at the same time. Delay 1 and boom, no more combo breaking.

3) proc system was weird. You could spam 1 for 30 seconds without a single proc and it was unsatisfying.

4) literally everything works together. 123 generates heat. Heat used for overcharg. 1.5cd on heatblast is used to pump up wildifre. Airanchor for automaton.
Also, old turrets had mostly zero interaction as well outside of damage buff.

5) in order for flamethrower to be effective you either keep if for 3 seconds or for the full duration

I’m new to Machinists but I’ve noticed an extremely high level of suckage in the form of the Rook

I liked HW mch and SB mch and ShB mch. Each had merits but I think the current iteration is the best so I daren't ask for another rework. It got easy and more consistent, but still busy enough to stop it from being a boring job in my opinion so that's probably the best one can hope for.

As someone who got into it for the complexity and burst it's...quite a rollercoaster staying dedicated to it. While at this point I am very commited to the job from an aesthetic and "role play" perspective, it is strange being thrown in different directions every expansion so far.

While HW is still my favourite incarnation so far, I do think ShB did something important in bringing it up in play numbers by a huge margin. You could be cynical and say "oh they just want the robot", but whatever the reason machinist has been way below the other jobs in terms of most played jobs.

I would be lying if I said I was completely happy with the job now though. As I said, I liked the burst and complexity; with the former Wildfire is overshadowed by Drill/AA (doesn't help that it's flying text is tiny), with the latter...it's still got complexity, every job does but it's more or less entirely just minimizing lost drills and anchors. Which isn't always easy, but it's not satisfying either. There's no big money shot as my friend calls it. Wildfire doesn't feel fulfilling in that way, and while Queen feels awesome the first few times it's still just a set and forget thing. Instead of intelligently aligning and pulling off burst it more feels like I'm just throwing a constant barrage of 3/4 unrelated things with no particular climax. Which is fine; that works for monk for example. But it's a reversal of its prior identity.

I like the lower skill floor, I think a large reason it was unpopular till now is it's perceived high entry barrier. But it does feel like it's missing something more defining. Ammo probably didn't need to go. Wildfire could've been more exciting.

I think it's too gratuitous to the point it quickly feels plain. Main combo is crazy unnecessary parkour , drill is satisfying but every 20s every fight ...hm. HW was low spectacle high substance, this is the opposite. Don't get me wrong I still love it, but it's changing identity so much.

Edit: Just to clarify I do think the changes were for the better health of both the game and getting people to actually play the job. It's just a shame a lot of the things that worked well before were lost in the process.

I rather like the new MCH redesign myself. Yea i think some things should of been kept that wasn't but it is what it is. I didn't really like the old wildfire design, it had some good numbers and was a gateway to a good or bad mch, but it just didn't feel good to me when something happened that would stop the wildfire, be it mechanics, or someone else in the group dropping aoe in the wrong spot and now you run one way and the tank goes the other.

I think the ammo system should of been kept for the combo, it was a bit more interesting than just 1-2-3 and the reload animation was pretty neat, especially on guns like Ferdinand that had a special animation.
I do not miss the turrets particularly, the current one feels alright, and coming from a summoner its far better than the Egis. Though admittedly it feels lack luster and I am constantly missing the overload from being distracted (Thankfully you can pop it off with 0 seconds left quiet often, something that Bahamut and Pheonix refuse to do)
I still detest the hip mounted lunchbox but I am glad gauss barrel is gone. I didn't mind casting, but it felt like a terrible skill to use after getting used to not having it.

Thinks I would like to see kept going forward but improved:
Flamethrower should build heat, It should also allow movement, albiet slowed as well as be manually aimed. I don't see how shooting flames out of your gun wouldn't build heat, and standing still while you flail around just feels like an arbitrary restriction. I think flamethrower would have a particularly good spot as an AoE opener to quickly build heat to transition into crossbow, and also as a damage boost when used with overheat on. (make it blue high-pressure flames) - This could only be used after the initial pull as flamethrower would still be on cooldown obviously.
Autocrossbow spamming the button and the animation resetting so soon looks and feels rather jarring. I think it would be better if this was a long cast thing like flamethrower that just continually fires until overheat is over or you override it with another ability. See Monster Hunter Heavy Bowgun Wyvernheart ability for inspiration. I also feel it should also provide the cooldown reduction heat blast does, atleast for Ricochet.
Bioblaster should be available at the same time as Drill. AoE low level feels terrible as all you can do is spam Spread Shot and with how much power creep there is most content devolves into AoE slug fests.

I'm not sure how to best incorporate the turret/queen better. Playing summoner has already put a stand offish approach to pets as they are very unresponsive

Yeah you all bring up a lot of good points, its more of a mixed bag than i make it out to be, i suppose they took out so much at one time it really soured my impression of the job making me instantly think in glass half empty terms.

And yeah im also not a big fan of spam one button rotations that Shadowbringers introduced, main reason why new hypercharge annoyed me a fair bit. Same with the dark knight delirium spam. THOUGH its still better than the abomination that was dark arts. Overall yeah i agree with most points ya all brought up. I guess if they build upon it way more in the future machinist might come back to being really fun right now it just feels like they gouged out a bit too many abilities and gave back very little.

Thanks for the answers, makes me realize im not the only one here wearing a tinfoil hat yelling that new machinist is not flawless lol

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Originally Posted by Ravenecroft

Yeah you all bring up a lot of good points, its more of a mixed bag than i make it out to be, i suppose they took out so much at one time it really soured my impression of the job making me instantly think in glass half empty terms.

And yeah im also not a big fan of spam one button rotations that Shadowbringers introduced, main reason why new hypercharge annoyed me a fair bit. Same with the dark knight delirium spam. THOUGH its still better than the abomination that was dark arts. Overall yeah i agree with most points ya all brought up. I guess if they build upon it way more in the future machinist might come back to being really fun right now it just feels like they gouged out a bit too many abilities and gave back very little.

Thanks for the answers, makes me realize im not the only one here wearing a tinfoil hat yelling that new machinist is not flawless lol

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Yeah it's far from flawless, though I personally much prefer the current MCH over Stormbloods, though that honestly should go without saying.

Personally I only have issue in 3 spots. First, Rook / Queen feels like they should have more interaction, rather than be fire and forget. Queen also has the issue where if the boss moves at the wrong time, and I don't mean the jump away invulnerability periods, I mean actually just *move*, there's a chance the Queen won't get to use its Pile Bunker attack. Thats a lot of lost damage and quite problematic.

Second, Heat Blast spam, as you said, is quite boring, and is a large part of the MCH rotation. It's also the primary contributor to what ping issues remain, as unless you are completely empty on Ricochet and Gauss Shot charges you need to weave to prevent capping, and with ping that may cause you to lose 1 Heat Blast, especially bad during Wildfire.

Finally, Flamethrower. I like it. I like how it's slightly better than Spread Shot for damage, making it actually usable. But it's not quite there yet. For the cooldown it has, and the clunkiness of using it, it needs more. More damage, more functionality, generate heat, more mobility, cause a debuff on mobs that increases in duration the longer you flame them, multiple of the above options, I don't know. It needs SOMETHING more though. Also, regardless of what it gets, it also absolutely needs more feedback. Those small red numbers are barely noticeable, making it feel like you're doing nothing. If you don't math it out or haven't researched it, you'd think it did nothing. It needs more feedback to let you know you're doing something

I personally find the new MCH to be a lot better then its past incarnation. A lot more fun, a lot less clunky, a lot less frustrating, a lot less punishing. Which is a mentality that has been shared with the huge increase in MCH players. As if we got MCH and Dancer introduced this expansion instead of MCH being introduced in HW.

I prefer the shift over to regular burst windows instead of having to dump everything into one window every 2 minutes. I like that the RNG has been removed, as that made the class feel frustrating to play when you were waiting on ammo cooldowns and the RNG was screwing you over. In fact my most regular thing to say about the old MCH was that it would be a great class if they just got rid of the RNG on the 123. I like that Overcharge is something I have complete control over instead of having to juggle heat to not accidentally waste it. Drill and Air Anchor feel good to use, especially with the ability to force one to be a Direct Hit Crit for huge damage.

Kinda wish we still had the ability to deploy the Bishop turret to give us an AoE Battery Spender. Could have changed it to fire chain lightning given current turret deployment mechanics. Then have it upgrade to a King with mortar launchers and an artillery cannon. I also wish that Grenado Shot came back as an upgrade to spread shot.

Overall I find the new MCH to be very enjoyable. Though I can understand your frustrations as the skill ceiling was dropped.

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I do not miss the turrets particularly, the current one feels alright, and coming from a summoner its far better than the Egis. Though admittedly it feels lack luster and I am constantly missing the overload from being distracted (Thankfully you can pop it off with 0 seconds left quiet often, something that Bahamut and Pheonix refuse to do)

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The turret and queen are designed to automatically fire off their overload as their last attack when they run out of time. The Overload command is only really there so that you can have them dump their remaining damage when you know the boss is going to leave the field in short order. Unlike SMN Egis MCH Turret/Queen is 100% independent.

I started the expansion adoring the job, but my love for it has reduced over time,

Saying this, I was never a MCH main, I was brand new to the game at the end of SB and absolutely sucked at MCH.

It’s weird as I don’t think I’m the only one who began this way, there was another guy who said the same thing.

Levelling the job felt amazing and to begin with was amazing at 80 but it almost became tiresome.

Maybe it’s because the job works around a spammy 1 3 2 1 3 2 everytime heated blast was avaliable. Or the fact it’s base rotation is another 1 2 3.

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Kinda wish we still had the ability to deploy the Bishop turret to give us an AoE Battery Spender. Could have changed it to fire chain lightning given current turret deployment mechanics. Then have it upgrade to a King with mortar launchers and an artillery cannon. I also wish that Grenado Shot came back as an upgrade to spread shot.

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Yeah while i disagree on the 123 combo being the better option the chainges you mention above i could totally get behind, mention an artillery cannon and you can count me in lmao. And adding that would mechanically make the battery gauge a bit more interactive
And yeah the granado shot needs to come back lol. Maybe a second step to aoe combo to make spread shot spam less stale.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I started the expansion adoring the job, but my love for it has reduced over time,

Saying this, I was never a MCH main, I was brand new to the game at the end of SB and absolutely sucked at MCH.

It’s weird as I don’t think I’m the only one who began this way, there was another guy who said the same thing.

Levelling the job felt amazing and to begin with was amazing at 80 but it almost became tiresome.

Maybe it’s because the job works around a spammy 1 3 2 1 3 2 everytime heated blast was avaliable. Or the fact it’s base rotation is another 1 2 3.

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Oh and yeah same i had a similar degeneration of feelings towards it even outside of me not liking the changes initially. like for a while i was not minding it that much but even in the brief 70-80 leveling window i grew tired of it quickly. It just feels like the job lacks something. It feels like samurai prior to 62 when you get more kenki and ogcd abilities. Like a skeleton on whitch more stuff supposed to be atrached to but just is not, instead it ask you to do that thing more quickly

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Originally Posted by Ravenecroft

Oh and yeah same i had a similar degeneration of feelings towards it even outside of me not liking the changes initially. like for a while i was not minding it that much but even in the brief 70-80 leveling window i grew tired of it quickly. It just feels like the job lacks something. It feels like samurai prior to 62 when you get more kenki and ogcd abilities. Like a skeleton on whitch more stuff supposed to be atrached to but just is not, instead it ask you to do that thing more quickly

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Yeah, I don’t reducing machinist to 2 OGCDs which have 3 stacks, reducing the output of wildfires impact on dps and taking every ounce of proc based abilities out the job has made it feel really repeatitive. It’s quite easy to fall bored with the job trying to play it every day

I've like mch in all it's iterations. I will say that I had less interaction with HW mch so I'll mostly speak from StB to ShB.

Things I miss
1) Wildfire feeling amazing to pull off. Because of Reassemble Drill/Anchor Wildfire doesn' feel as satisfying especially since it ends up doing less damage then the formers. I wish that Wildfires potency was higher even if it meant lowering the potency of Guass and Ricochet.
2) RNG... kinda. So one of the things I loved about StB mch was the 121323 rotation as it made combat feel interesting though I will say that spamming 1 hoping to get a proc when you didn't have ammo felt horrible. I think if they did something like DNC's proc system where you if you pressed 1 you were guaranteed 2 but 1 could proc 3 and 2 could proc 4 or maybe made it so that Drill and Anchor proc'd off of 2 a and 3 respectively though with lower potency. Basically just things to mix up the rotation.
3) Dismantle, now I know they removed it because they decided to make MCH the BLM of phy ranged dps but I still miss the bit of utility we had.
4) Speaking of Utility I miss the invuln down debuff from old turret Hypercharge and kinda wish they made kept it as an added bonus to Rook and Queem but I know that it may of thrown balancing off or made MCH do less dmg overall possibly putting it down to nin and dnc dps.
5) Bishop, I miss my aoe bot yeah it didn't do much but atm using rook/queen on mobs feels weird so having that aoe battery spender would be great.

Things I like
1) Rook/Queen burst, though Rook/Queen (mainly rook) are mostly set and forget it's still nice that because of their little burst they give they feel more impactful just wish there was a little more to them.
2) How easy the job is to play now. MCH in StB really required that you as a player practiced and got your rotation down and really played attention to your heat and Wildfire as nothing else mattered but those two a d if you messed up you lost a lot of dps. A d though I do miss the rng in a way it was overall just a mess and ended up being a detriment to the job.
3)Heat not feeling like a conflicting mechanic. Heat felt weird in that you wanted to be heated but for your burst you needed to overheat which then caused you to be locked out of heat. Heat felt like it should of been something you try to always maintain by not losing to much or having to much.
4) Flamethrower/Wildfire, because Flamethrower was based on sever responsiveness of you were having some issues with lag or something you could end up activating Flamthrower and gain little to no heat even though you see the animation going. You also had to keep an eye on your gauge as once you needed to activate wildfire as soon as or just before you overheated to get the most out of it. Then the fact the I couldn ever get 6 hits into old wildfire but I am able to get 6 in now.
5) Drill,Anchor, BioBlaster, and Queen. I finally feel like a MCH and not a gunner with a little flying gun buddy.

Overall I am very happy with changes made to MCH, yeah I miss stuff but there is a lot of really like about this new MCH. Will say the only thing I actually want changed is Flamethrower being able to build heat. It feels weird that it doesn't and would make it a clear better choice to use over Spread Shot.

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Welcome to the club. ShB bring to us great story and bad job changes. In my personal list of ruined or wrong developed jobs are: PLD, DRK, MCH.

For me, people saying the old "proc" system was bad are people that wont like rdm/dnc. we had a 60 second rotation, where 20 was "fixed" depending of pre proc but still quite stable. that means, during those 40 seconds left, we had 16 GCD to use, but one was a cooldown and one was the quick reload + proc use pre wildfire, so 14. During that, we were using 2 quick reload and 1 reload, aka 5 ammo that means we were garanteed that 5/14 of those GCD were to proc. So if you were a mch main during SB playing it all the time, you wouldn't have felt frustrated by it, or way less than you would by a rdm/dnc imo.

The SB mch had some problem (like the flamethrower into overheat, but could have been solved by not making the OH countdown before pressing a cd, make OH 11sec, and 9 sec for the cooldown phase, etc ...), but at least you felt like you were working for something, actually the skill floor is low, but the ceiling is nearly as low, and if you dont have the team with the raidbuffs, your dps wont be much different anyway, whatever you do, which lead to another problem it had in SB, like actually: raid buff dependency.

Actually, it just feel like my kit is fighting against itself:
1) Having to overcap heat or it leads to very big brain calculation (and doesnt change -a lot-, in the end)
2) having to know exact queen timing for each battery gauge, or the last hit isnt in raidbuffs.
3) One button spam 50% of the time with alternating ogcd isn't a rich experience .... on top of not being a very satisfying gcd like drk/war (those crit dh tho), holy spirit isn't satisfying either on that matter, but we spam it WAY MORE than any of those jobs.
4) queen having to walk to enemies sometimes, making us lose PB, can I have rook back please? at least it was ranged.
5) "oh right, that was a wildfire, too much heatblast forgot it was something actually different this time :^)"
6) flamethrower doesnt generate heat ???
7) AC not doing anything for the ogcd's ???
8) +20 potency on single target weaponskills under HC ... having that just for 5 lvl? Make it affect all skills under HC, or even wildfire, leading to some 220 potency for all the weaponskills inside HC
9) long cooldown GCD feel awful to use, really hard to keep track of and if you miss one, goodbye raidbuffs + making tighter the window where you can hypercharge without causing problem with anchor and drill and not cutting GCD chain ...

If the pain was worth it, why not, but we have a greedy/selfish dps that is even behind ninja's dps on some fight (i'm letting you check fflog stat's for each fight), or have monk at 10% percentile doing a better dps than mch at 95% ... and dont get me started either on the fact we can move while dpsing, lot of strat are made for the uptime of casters/melee so we have to do all the mechanics, keep a 46/47CPM without drifting or missing anything while they just have to stay still.

The main problem was the double proc

It's like if they added veraero 3 and verthunder 3, and veraero/thunder gave you the proc with 50%.

I just really want my HW MCH back.

I know it was RNG reliant but I LOVED it. I miss the "casting", I miss the procs, I miss the DoT and Hot Shot upkeep. I miss the burst window with insta-casting, bullet and reload managment. 5 ammo was a strange number, but it worked out great. I miss Grenado Shot. I miss Blank kills.

It has always been a ping reliant but it was never too much to handle. SB made it worse and now, while it's more "machinist"-y it's nothing like the original concept of the job.

I dropped MCH at the start of SB because I didn't like the overheat mechanic. Battery mechanic is really weird to get use too.

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The main problem was the double proc

It's like if they added veraero 3 and verthunder 3, and veraero/thunder gave you the proc with 50%.

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Do you mean like cascade having 50 % of having reverse cascade, them giving 50% of getting a feather .... which give 50% of getting fan dance 3? wiht only one "proc all" every minute? :^)

And the new overheat... first 50 times its ok. But the thing is you're hypercharging vastly too often so you spend around 50% of your time mashing heatblast

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I quit lvling mch because of this... hypercharge+heatblast so boring

Hypercharge -> Heat Blast + Gauss Shot rotation = FF8 Irvines limit break without the ammo variety

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Do you mean like cascade having 50 % of having reverse cascade, them giving 50% of getting a feather .... which give 50% of getting fan dance 3? wiht only one "proc all" every minute? :^)

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Kinda, but on the other hand fan dances are ogcds aren't really part of your regular 1-2 spam (which are still single proc)

oh and there is that too, here i'm showing it on the xivanalysis, but that's something that show's even on the combatlog. I did my 6gcd wildfire, it's registered before the Wildfire happens, but ... it's still counting only 5 of them in the total damage: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...32/unknown.png

Yeah imma be honest i would take Heavensward machinst back too. Hell its why i fell in love with the class in the first place. i mean Yeah it was a bit clunky and latency reliant, but it had everything needed. Procs were not that much of an issue as you could force them with reload if you needed movement. Wildfire felt nice but it was not the nightmare of stormblood, and the turrents with their buffs were really nice. Oh and the dot was nice too. Just something extra since we did not need to worry about heat. Hell my only issue were bosses knocking about my rook and bishop but like if the summoner pets are untargetable they could make those too as well

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Kinda, but on the other hand fan dances are ogcds aren't really part of your regular 1-2 spam (which are still single proc)

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Also i mean we had quick reload for that. You got one proc? great slap on a quick reload before using it to get the full combo

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Originally Posted by Ravenecroft

Also i mean we had quick reload for that. You got one proc? great slap on a quick reload before using it to get the full combo

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You actually couldnt, cuz you had to use all oGCD when they were coming out of CD, but i never felt bad cuz of procs ever and I cleared all the raids of SB as a mch. But SB mch was all about being strict and not drift, I loved that, being able to do the 13 skill wildfire was great, but they should have made it 11 seconds to not have lag problems + minor QoL changes on other stuff

Hmmm well apparently i did not use it correctly. Well either way it did not feel awful for me

You could use it thrice and regular cooldown once before wildifre comes up, you you could get 4-5 guaranteed full combos.
But still, I think double proc basic combo was clunky and unsatisfying despite having tools to bypass it.
Kinda like monk with GL now hehe

Hmmm fair point. It was a bit more engaging than a 123 though so you had a bit more to pay attention to while not pulling off a wildfire. It could have definelty been improved though.