I cannot seem to run out of mana, infact i have to hold off to avoid hate.
The mana shortage beginning of last patch sucked, but people learned around it. I hated and began to love to strategy of to use my mana meaningfully. While its fun to nuke stuff nonstop so is strategy, i am torn. has any one else noticed its hard to run out of mana?
Was the THM now blm mp shortage addressed in this patch?
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03-16-2012, 01:47 AMMushyWas the THM now blm mp shortage addressed in this patch?
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03-16-2012, 01:52 AMKeftenk
How do you have to hold off? Maybe it's just the tank I run with, but cycling QS, Cham, and Freeze, I rarely if ever go red. Always running Convert too. Maybe you're using Freeze at the wrong time, don't use it right away, do it more-so when you really need too since it appears to be a flat decrease (not 100% positive).
The less hate you have, the more you'll be able to crank out, that should give you the "mp issue" that THM had prior. Although, you now have Convert to fall back onto :D -
03-16-2012, 01:52 AMMajidah
Yeah, I have; but I guess it gives convert a different use, spam all the nukes you want and get back your HP when you steal hate. haha
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03-16-2012, 01:53 AMFiron
No cause when soloing THM is much better than blm and you still have to sit and wait for mp to regen. I think convert recast timer is far too long cause whm can recover x10 more mp before we even use convert a second time. WHM/CNJ can revover 680+ mp every min and convert has an 6:30 cool down time.If whm uses Blissful mind every 1 min they get back a little over 4k mp in 6 mins and that's not even factoring in their other mp skill where blm gets back about 2-2.3k mp back every 6:30...
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03-16-2012, 02:24 AMSeirra_Lanzce
As in "solo" or "party" i hardly see my group's BLM run out of MP D: not sure about solo thou.. sorry >_< i haven't level that far in DoM :D
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03-16-2012, 02:32 AMDeadRiser
I almost feel OP as White Mage now with MP regen from BRD. Unless I'm nuking and healing, I never run out of mp.
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03-16-2012, 04:57 AMRyansWhy are you comparing mana regen of two different jobs? They play differently and they are responsible for two different roles in party play. A whm needs to have enough mana at all times to keep the party alive and a blm does not. Blm controls their own mana pool while the current fight controls a whms'. If a whm could stop a boss from doing any damage long enough for them to stop and recover mana whenever they needed it, you might have a valid point.Quote:
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03-16-2012, 05:36 AMFironIt is a Valid point cause THM is a sitting suck when it has no mp. Saying whm needs mp to always heal is the same for thm/blm they mp to do dmg that's all. I'm sorry if you wanna do all your fight's standing one spot but i don't. MNK as of right now can hardly run out of tp cause of spinning heal / invig but that doesn't make them op if they wanna live. Having mp ready does not make you op in whatever way, only thing you need to know if you over nuke you die that's all.Quote:
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Also to use your whm example, Whm having almost unlimited mp does that make them OP? No cause you can die from spamming to many cure's and it should be the same case for blm. If you spam to many nuke's = death. -
03-16-2012, 05:44 AMEstellios
You do have a choice to stop nuking if your hate is high, though. You can't really choose to stop healing in most cases.
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03-16-2012, 05:57 AMFiosha_Maureiba
You could stop healing, but it may generate a large amount of hate from the defeated character.
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03-17-2012, 01:29 AMMister-Wonderfuljust...wow.../facepalmQuote:
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03-17-2012, 01:35 AMFironlol good come back. I'm glad you like to stand in one spot and fight bosses.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 01:42 AMMister-WonderfulI dont have Mp issues or have to stay in 1 location because i know how to manage mp. I'm glad you can't see the reason why the WHM always has mp and you don't, but it didn't cross your mind that Whm keeps everyone in your party alive, and if they ran out all the time from constant casting, everyone dies. Or that you are doing BLM wrong.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 01:51 AMFironUntil you realize standing in one spot does not equal good gameplay mechanics you will never understand this. I have no probs managing mp the problem is when fights start needing more moving around the class/job will became useless cause they cant do anything once they are out of mp.Quote:
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I want you to go solo monsters lvl 50-53 as THM and cnj/whm. CNJ/WHM will always come out on top cause they don't have to wait for mp to come back. Every class/job in this game except thm and blm can go all out cause they all have ways to constantly do dmg w/o stopping THM/BLM is the rule to this exception. Every fight ppl use blm for they just sit in one spot and twiddle their thumbs. You must be on those ppl who think XI fight's where dynamic cause they were not.
I mean seriously who can't manage their mp when they do nothing but stand in one spot. Hell you get back 75% of the mp use waiting on thunder's cool downs. -
03-17-2012, 03:12 AMCoglinMan you sure are a jerk if someone doesn't agree with you 100%. what worse is you will actually turn it into an attack like this where you make a moronic assumption and attempt to tell everyone reading that he saidQuote:
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like to stand in one spot and fight bosses.
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03-17-2012, 03:19 AMFironCogin your one of the biggest dicks around her so.. anything you say is pointless at this point. I am never a jerk to anyone who disagrees with me. He claims BLM/THM has no mp issue's in boss fight's that's cause all them require you stand in one spot 80% of the time. Anyone who solo's on THM/BLM knows it's a slow ass pain and whm does it better if you wanna play an mage. Like i said sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting for mp is not fun.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 04:11 AMCoglin
Many claim they have no mp issues. That does not give you right to attack them.
So, please link where he specifically saidandQuote:
that's cause all them require you stand in one spot 80% of the time
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Until you realize standing in one spot does not equal good gameplay mechanics
cause I don't see where he said anything of the sort. all he said wasQuote:
I'm glad you like to stand in one spot and fight bosses.
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I dont have Mp issues because i know how to manage mp.
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03-17-2012, 04:38 AMFironIf you will name a boss fight ring now where you don't stand in one spot I'm waiting. Also like i said since you like to pick post apart i said i have no probs with managing mp, but that aspect revolves around standing still just get that fact thru your head.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 04:40 AMCoglinSo what your saying, is that you acknowledge you lied when you claimed he made that statement ....correct?Quote:
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and you don't call that attacking him for his statement?
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03-17-2012, 04:47 AMFironI lied about what? How did i attack him? If he says he no probs keeping mp up on thm/blm there is only 1 way to do it and that is to STAND STILL. Oh and comvert every 7 mins.Quote:
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Also quote the whole thing and stop picking the parts you like he saidWhich means he is stating he does not stand in spot in this boss fight's. So i'm asking What fight is he moving around in constantly to keep his mp up w/o twiddling his thumbs.Quote:
I dont have Mp issues or have to stay in 1 location because i know how to manage mp.
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03-17-2012, 04:52 AMCoglinMmmkay....so your saying you CAN quote where he saidQuote:
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as you claim he said. And yeah, I considr maliciously misquoted and making false claims that a poster made a statementthat they did not, as an attack.Quote:
standing in one spot equal good gameplay mechanics
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03-17-2012, 04:59 AMFironI see you have THM 50 let me ask you. Whats the best way to get mp back? Standing still. So he says he does not need to stand still to manage mp how is he getting back? Managing mp on THM comes down to 1 thing cast a spell wait for some mp between combo's and stand still while recast timer refresh for more mp. Which all of that involves standing still. So if he says he fine managing mp that means he likes to stand still cause that's the only way to do it.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 05:14 AMCoglinBallad of the magi, Elixers, Ether, Parsimony, Sanguine Rite, are all better then standing in my opinion. As well they allow me to gain Mp while acting. Combined with a pacing of actions, all of these combined make it rather easy and logical to manage MP. or as he said specifically.Quote:
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I bolded the part in which you specifically lied about by stating so matter of factl that he said he does stand in one spot.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 05:19 AMFiron
Except the part you bolded he said that after I said you must like to stand in one spot, nice try tho coglin lol. The op ask if THM/BLM has issue's still and yes they do and ballad of the magi does not cure that nor does sangine rite, and pars makes you break even so all that does not matter. THM mp tools are terrible, BLM mp tools are ok at best but comes with a risk. Ether's and Elxiers all have cool downs they share. Keep trying bro.
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03-17-2012, 05:24 AMCoglinWether or not it "cures" it is a matter of opinion. Your statement is very subjective at best.Quote:
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Secondly, don't ask me a question then cry about my answer.
So are you telling us you find it difficult to manage your MP? I dunno so i am asking, but if you do, that does not make him wrong because he doesn't, nor does it justify you claiming he said something he did not, which is the issue here. Last I checked, to state someone said something, in which they factually did not, is defined as a lie. You sir, lied. -
03-17-2012, 05:26 AMMushy
as OP i consider you all dicks, and please close this thread so you butts dont have somewhere to bicker
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03-17-2012, 05:40 AMMister-WonderfulExcept the fact that what you stated was a direct reply to my statement, so once again you are wrong. I'm sure fun is not the reason you are leaving this thread.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 06:23 AMFironI never said i have a problem with managing mp, the problem lies with blm having to stand around to get mp back if you can not see that as a bad thing then I will just leave it at that. All the tools you mentioned are not good ways to get mp back ill go thru them. Sangerite... you have to get hit for this and it sucks unless you take tons of dmg. Parsimony is ok but you either break even or still loose mp. Ethers are OK but cool downs to long. Then we have standing still which gives tons of mp back for doing nothing but sitting on your ass.Quote:
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Except the fact I'm leaving this thread cause you both don't see how bad it is to design mp management after standing still. You also say whm needs mp to keep everyone alive then why can't they be subject to managing mp to keep everyone alive, like how blm has to manage to keep mp to do dmg.Quote:
Except the fact that what you stated was a direct reply to my statement, so once again you are wrong. I'm sure fun is not the reason you are leaving this thread.
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03-17-2012, 06:55 AMMister-WonderfulWhere have I seen this before...Quote:
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Oh yeah just above the other one where you left.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 07:01 AMFironGood job bro your an saint.Quote:
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03-17-2012, 07:03 AMMister-WonderfulAn saint lol This thread has made my entire day.Quote:
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This might help you man, for all future posts http://www.spellchecker.net/grammar/ -
03-17-2012, 07:05 AMCoglin
You left out Ballad of the magi. No one ever said you had a MP management issue. Unlike yourself, I do not claim others said something they did not. What I specifically did was ask you if you did have those issues, hence the question mark. You do not have to be standing still to regen MP, there is a much much greater boost with potions, you can ALWAYS regen MP with ballad of the magi.
To make your "claim" that the new potions, and that Ballad of the Magi areis your opinion, and a bad one at that.Quote:
not good ways to get mp
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03-17-2012, 07:10 AMMister-WonderfulQuoted for great truth.Quote:
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