Can anybody confirm if the % of danage that blocking mitigates will be buffed as we get stronger shields similar to how it's worked in the past? 20% just feels...kinda bad.
I always felt that PLDs should be the bulkiest of the Tanks; one of their defining features should be that they take the least damage. I mean, they're the only Tank with an actual shield for goodness sake lol.
I felt like 30% was a pretty good number, so I'm hoping we can get back up to that point.
So....about PLD's block....
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07-28-2019, 02:06 AMTheForceSo....about PLD's block....
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07-28-2019, 02:33 AMAbsimiliard
PLD's block going back up to 30% should be compensated by a significant decrease in damage.
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07-28-2019, 02:46 AMKabooa
A quick rundown of how quickly % Reduction affects EHP.
What is EHP: Effective Hit Points. If you have 100 Health but ignore 20% of the damage you take, it effectively takes 125 points of damage to kill you.
5% Reduction : 105.5% EHP
10% Reduction : 111% EHP
15% Reduction : 118% EHP
20% Reduction : 125% EHP
25% Reduction : 134% EHP
30% Reduction : 144% EHP
40% Reduction : 172% EHP
50% Reduction : 200% EHP
All Mitigative Effects are multiplicative. This means instead of rampart and Shadow Wall (For example) being 50% mitigation, they are 80% x 70% (.8 x .7) for a total of 44% mitigation. The easiest way to deal with these calculations is to think of them as the EHP values multiplying each other. 20% + 30% = 1.25 x 1.44.
With this in mind, we can look at the 4 short CD abilities
Heart of Stone: 118% EHP
The Blackest Night: +25% MEHP [The blackest night is a shield, and therefore will always add 25% of your Maximum Hit Points, and benefits from mitigative effects)
Raw Intuition: 125% EHP
Shelltron: As shelltron scales, you can use the handy chart up there to see it's relative strength to the others. -
07-28-2019, 05:16 AMGreyhawk
Does that take into account the fact they lowered block/parry/dodge %? Or, are these numbers from Stormblood tanking? Thanks for this information, BTW.
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07-28-2019, 05:30 AMKabooaThis is information from a purely mathematical point of view. So long as the numbers match it is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyhawk
Regarding parry specifically, parry has been lowered to 15% damage reduction. I don't have the numbers on rate, however it sounds like the speculation is that Block was lowered proportionally as well. -
07-28-2019, 05:54 AMGreyhawkAll of the defensive abilities were lowered (parry/dodge/block). They covered that in one of the streams prior to 5.0. I believe it was in the one where they were talking about how they also removed protect, I can probably find it if you like to see that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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07-28-2019, 08:22 AMJukebox12Dodge is dodgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyhawk
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07-28-2019, 08:42 AMGreyhawkNo kidding. % and/or chance is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jukebox12
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07-28-2019, 08:54 AMShurrikhan30% would only really be permissible if the mitigation thus provided had a %HP cap, which I'm not sure the devs would even know how to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheForce
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07-28-2019, 09:18 AMKabooaBy removing the 6 second "works on everything" duration they gave it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
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07-28-2019, 09:26 AMShurrikhanThen you'd have traded a 20-some second universal mitigation CD for a one-time skill that works only against a single tankbuster and only assuming an auto-attack doesn't hit just before it, just to have further excess HP after the tankbuster, at the cost of total mitigation and applicability. You'd have nerfed PLD greatly in some 95% of circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
Even at 60% you would still just be intentionally imbalancing PLD, making it overtuned for raids and undertuned for dungeons. So... why? Percentile mitigation for duration and/or until a given absorption cap are just far superior choices than affecting only one attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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07-28-2019, 09:37 AMKabooaI'm not the one asking for it to be 30%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
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07-29-2019, 11:25 PMCabalabob
This has happened with every expansion, at the start block is nerfed down to less than 20% and just gets stronger as ilvl increases throughout the expansion. If they didn’t do this and our block strength just kept increasing since ARR we’d be up to like 80% block strength by now.
Even with the nerf a block is stronger than a parry with a low ilvl shield and it’s only going to get better. And with sheltron being as frequent to use as it is PLD is still definitely the sturdiest tank. -
07-30-2019, 04:13 PMRedTeaThisCouldn't have said it better. I calculated it a while back and can't remember the exact numbers but the up-time for sheltron is pretty ridiculous. With how fast the gauge fills up compared to the 6 second duration, your getting that 20% buff a A LOT. I know that some people want to save their Sheltrons for the tank busters and that's fine. They should be. Burst damage and all that. However, non-burst damage is still important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalabob
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07-31-2019, 01:58 AMJukebox12
You should always have 50 gauge just in case for a tank buster
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07-31-2019, 08:47 AMDeceptusThat 6 seconds of block is a godsend in dungeons when there's 10+ mobs hitting you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa